Rigged partner assignments?
 

What? I thought partner and opposition assignment was completely random! This makes certain things very unfair. As you said, FIRST makes an "attempt" to put veterans w/ rookies. That means sometimes they can't, and some rookies get ripped off.

For three years I've been under the assumption that all partner and opponent assignments are random. Someone, clarify!!! :ahh:

[edit]If you can, specifiy a specific rule in the manual or a quote from a official FIRST person.[/edit]

Re: Rigged partner assignments?
 

I believe (note not sure) that the algorithum randomly mixes up all team numbers and then from that senerio mixes again for matches. From what I have had explained to me, there is no matching going on. I will try to clarify at the Canadian Regional this week.

Edit- another note is that it would not be unfair to rookie teams but maybe unfair to veteran teams as there are always more vets than rookies. After seeing the rookies at Philadelphia , I think I would have wanted them as my alliance partner. Great job by rookie teams this year.

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Karthik, can you give any specifics on what you were talking about?

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Having it completely random would not be a good thing. That would lead to situations such as having to play two consecutive matches occuring, which would be very difficult for most teams. Match assignment is done as fairly as possible, but there are just so many things to take into account that it will never be oerfect.

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Absolutely.

Is there anyone in CD land that works/volunteers for FIRST who can shed some light or give us some insight on exactly how they set up the matches and what, if anything, is taken into account when the matches are set up.

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I don't agree with this, but anyway.

Can anyone cite a specific rule from the manual that says how matches are created?

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it seemed to me that almost all of the teams we were allied with, we were also opposted to in later matches

was that only a cooincidence for our team? it sure seemed odd, out of 60 teams present

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That happened a lot to my team at our regional also. Its been happening like that always I thought.

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It works like this for all teams, from what I've seen. Unfortuately, logic dictates that it'll continue to be this way.

Taken from an older post of mine...

I honestly don't think that FIRST has found a better system; if they had, we'd probably be using it by now.

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I dont see a consistant amount of time between ALL matches to be an issue - if you have 20 minutes between two matches then 90 until your next one, it would let you tackle some bigger fixes on your bot - 45 minutes is not much time to tear something apart and put it back together

I would rather have a chance to play with/against a broader selection of teams.

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Built into the algorithum is a time factor that allows certain "rests" between matches. Because certain teams all start in the same time frame then they will probabbly advance in the algorithum equally. This is unofficial and hearsay from people on the field that are involved.

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That's definitely happened for us, and I just now had a flash of brillance and figured out why. :)

Edit: see IMDWalrus's post. Beat me to it. Oh well. At least I had a proud moment when I figured it out myself. =)

You're likely to get paired with teams you've just played with because of the time issue. Of course, you may be able to mix in some teams from the matches right before or after your original match. But for the most part you're with that particular group.

Then your next match you may play with a team that played right before or after your second match. So you'll get some switching that way, but between any 2 consecutive matches there's bound to be some overlap.

I think Ken has a point, you don't need consistent time between matches. But I think (I don't really know, I'm not good at this stuff) that that would make it even more complicated to schedule, wouldn't it?

Just my thoughts.

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Wait... let's return to the original intent of this thread...

Having a rest time is fine... but that does not say anything about purposely putting veterans with rookies as partners.

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maybe putting 4 veteran teams in the same match would be too boring? they would bash each other to pieces in auton mode, then nothing would happen for the remaining 1:45?

some weird logic along those lines?

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But putting 4 veteran teams in the same match happens a lot. Sometimes the bashing makes it all the more fun ;-)