Divisions at Championship?
 

Attached is just my current prediction based on teams signed up right now and based on the same system I think they used last year. It is just a prediction which is likely to change if more teams are added and/or they use a different system.

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Any idea on why the attachment won't open, because i can't get it to work.

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for some reason the attached file has an extension of .html. Which makes the computer thinks it should be opened in a web browser instead of excel

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Right click and save it...

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I hope you're right....we might get a chance to play with our mentor team (312)....

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Well, there still are more regionals to come, so this will obviously be changed.

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Oooooo!
Raul, I like this one.
Division 2 is where it's at!

33, 45, 126, 254, 571 (and more)

These are some of the strongest offensive machines in the country. If any 2 of them paired up, we'd all be in trouble.

And, 229 gets to be next to one of our favorite pit-partners, Cyber Blue.

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hey division 3 has 311 and 1114 and 522

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No offense intended, I love you guys.... but watch some footage of the other teams I named. Consistent 200+ point scores? Incredible.

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You failed to mention that 229 is in the same division, and that you wouldn't mind being the defensive player on one of those offensive powerhouse alliances (your lawyer told me to say that :))

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Hey Vielkind-N,

We're in division 2, also. Better yet, we are right next to you in the pits, too.

I don't think you have ever experienced being sooo close to the ThunderChicken coop before ... you will never be the same.

-Paul

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Paul "Copioli" Copioli-
Ohh jeez, how did I not notice that! I'm still recovering from listening to 234's chairman's speech alllllllll weekend in Houston last year ;). After that, I dunno if we're ready for the 217-kinda experience.

I wish I could say there is a 229 experience... but it will probably just consist of our HS guys scoping out Thunder-chicks, and our college guys scoping out your robot. Ohh yeah... and we borrow stuff. ;) ...and usually bring it back.

John


(j/k 234... we loved bein' near you guys, and would love doin it again.)

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In a lot of ways, Division #4 looks like a reprise of the St. Louis Regional.

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If your prediction is right team 836 is in division 2. Is this a good thing?

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Being in the championship is always a good thing.

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It's too bad these divisions aren't the real ones, I'ld love to be competing with/against these guys in division 2.


It's looks like you'll get to hear it again since we're a Chairman's finalist this year too :) .

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I honestly can't wait.

Congratulations CB, good luck in Atlanta.

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Thats not necessarily true...

Raul made these predictions using the system they used last year, (which was kind of obvious how they did it :p)...and whats to stop them from using it again? I think he is right as long as no new teams qualify this weekend, and even if they do qualify, FIRST just might tack them on the end and start another 1-4 run...

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division two has two of the three FL winners... 61 and 945! Hopefully this is true.. but it probily will change becuase the winners from this weekends events have a chance to enter

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D2 also has two of the UTC winners if these are reallythe divisions

id say say that the national winner would deffanitly be out of this division

how nice would it be to see 571,45,33 all on the same alliance :cool: one can only dream

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I'd watch 47, 222, 173, 378, 810 - Division 3 will be the division to advance and finish !!!!!!!
I'd watch 233 in division 1 cuz they are excellent hangers

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Thanks DJ that worked

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What was the system they used last year anyways? I really didn't pay attention to it.

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They more or less tok the master list of teams that would be attending and counted off in fours. 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,etc... That was a simple and random way of deviding way of teams into the devisions, but it looks like this years software will be picking the teams for each devision...

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Yes i know, but division 2 sounds very very strong. We are a contender and don't count us out, but there are better teams that have better robots.

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Even if they do not add them at the end, if they do use this system and only a few teams are added, your team may still be in the same division as many of the teams shown. It depends on the team number that is added. For example, if team number 700 is added, then all teams before 700 will remain in the division I previously predicted and all teams above 700 will shift together one division up. If another team is added, the shift happens again at that point.

Anyway it is fun to speculate. I will fix the predictions and re-post after they update the team list after this weekend's competitions. I hope FIRST just beats me to it and publishes the divison lists soon.

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In past years that may have been the case but this competition is so unpredictable that I truly belive that many robots have a really good shot of rising to the top.
Plus all the divisions contain regional winners and technical award winners so any division you end up in will be a fight to the finish.
Just remember to bring your A game, my friend.

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Yes i agree, we have our strong points but maybe not the best points.

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But if you get hooked up with an allince partner that can take advnatage of your strong points then you will do quite well.

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I just don't see them sticking to the same system. They've got to re-shuffle the deck.

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I see no reason why they wouldn't stick with the same system. It makes sure there is an even mix of vetran teams and younger teams throuh the different divisions and ensures that the teams are random. The past system was also very easy to impliment.

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Well there are at least 11 regional winners who weren't listed as comming. If they come up with the cash they cetainly will. Are we talking about over 300 teams this year?

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Ed is right. Here are all the teams that just became eligible this weekend due to winning or charimans or Inspiration or Rookie All Star:

Canadian: 639, 1112, 1305
Lone Star: 57
Palmetto: 281, 11, 122, 1398
West Michigan: 1243, 141, 1024, 1272
Silicon Valley: 971, 852 (plus 3 more potential - they have not yet posted awards)

Congratulations to these teams (hope I didn't miss anyone) - come join us in Atlanta!

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so whats the updated lists with those teams on there??

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The sad part is not every team can afford to go to the championship even when they earn the right to go.
Sometimes life is so cruel and unfair. :(

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Last week in Philly, we spoke to the FIRST rep and asked when the division list would be released. His response was that it won't be released until after the last regionals, because they want to make sure that the teams in the top aliances from each regional were split up. This leads me to belive that they aren't just using the 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4 system again, at least not in its raw form.

Personally, I'm not sure that I like the fact that teams which have proven that they work well together are being split up, but that is what FIRST has decided to do.

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Good teams work well with any team.
67 scored the top score in the nation with Webster Sparx and scored the top score of the qualifyers with us. I don't think they could win a match on their own but they would be a tough out.
Many of the teams at the championships are able to adjust. That's how they got there in the first place.

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I know that 852, one of the teams that qualified at SVR, will not be going to Nationals. They can't afford it. At least that's what they told us.

The proposed division 2 is awsome.

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i know 759 isnt going even though the won the NYC regional

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Team #759 is all the way from the UK. They would need to gather several sponsors (or money, whatever comes first) in a short amount of time if they are to go.

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Yeah it is easy to implement but it can leave a lot of teams together in the same division they were in last year. There will be lots of change but you could gurantee more teams were broken apart by changing the pattern.

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That is another thing. Last year in Houston we had a very very good robot, but 5 of our alliances did not show up, and didn't even send a Human Player. The other matches our alliances were disabled for some odd reason. So my point is this you cannot depend on your alliance to win you a championship. Maybe it was just bad luck, i hope it was just bad luck, and i hope we have rid ourselves of this bad luck.

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Even dead robots can do something. But that's just my opinion. Any who if the championship continues with it's two year pattern, the division we are in should win the whole thing. Really it is quite freaky but we have been in the winning division for our whole two years of existence. Not sure of any other team with that pattern. Being good with ANY team is how you win period. Look at 111 last year or 16 (any year), they consistently win with any team they are with. I've only been driving for 3 years but that is my two cents.

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Well at least playing good but then playing with good teams when you have an off match. I've seen both those teams do that. And most everyone will have at least one bad match. Most likely more. If your with a good team when these matches come around, then you're golden.

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Yeah that is true but beating a top 5 team with an alliance partner that's ranked like 10th and you and your partner are like 27th and 62nd then THAT is golden.

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Because I have a lot of time on my hands, I did some analysis of the divisions:

Division 1 has 15 regional champions (233, 279, 303, 313, 322, 340, 364, 381, 457, 492, 537, 938, 977, 1030, and 1057).

Division 2 is absolutely loaded. They have 20 regional champions (5, 33, 45, 56, 61, 66, 114, 126, 176, 229, 254, 284, 314, 398, 571, 716, 945, 967, 1031, and 1405) including 3 who have won 2 regionals (5, 33, and 254).

Division 3 is the one my team is in. It has 13 regional champions (47, 67, 177, 230, 311, 330, 389, 449, 522, 930, 957, 980, and 1114) and one team that lost twice in the finals (222).

Division 4, I believe, already has a clear winner. The division has 11 regional champions (16, 237, 269, 388, 501, 585, 662, 982, 1002, 1212, and 1369) including one who has won 2 regionals (16).

As I still have "March Madness" I am going to make my final four picks right now, based on the captains of the winning alliances.

Division 1: 303
Division 2: 254
Division 3: 449 (or if you want a non-partisan pick: 311)
Division 4: 16

I make these picks without ever seeing most of these teams compete. But in all seriousness, does it really matter? This is Max Wasserman, Blair Robot Project. Now back to Sportscenter.

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Nice work.

Though, I disagree that just because one team has won multiple regionals that they'll do exponentially better than any of the other regional winners. Regional wins are partially mutually exclusive of one another, and it depends on the teams that are at that regional. Why I say partially is because you have to assume that regionals that are close to a general area of teams will have basically the same teams at them, and because of that 2 regional wins from the same general area, though admirable, is less impressive than say, bicoastal regional wins.

What's great about the competition size is that teams with even one regional win will still be highly regarded, because of the size of the divisions. I personally feel that for fairness purposes, the divisions should have a more equal number of regional winners in them than what we assume it will be now. But if they dont, hey, thats great news for those other divisions, because it will be easier to climb to the top of their division, and once the finals happen, you won't have to deal with many of those teams from Div 2, since they will have already knocked eachother out.

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Well then you'll love team 69, which won at both BAE and LA (and also seems to be missing from ThirdRide's list). Both regionals were also above average in size.

Edit: 16 won in St. Louis and Annapolis, 5 won at Detroit and Pittsburgh, and 33 won at VCU and Canada

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69 is not going to Atlanta

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Are you sure????? Thats a major bummer, that team is awesome. :(

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1126 won buckeye, and is in "Divison 4".

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yes. of the winners and finalists from the BAE regional, only 501, aces high, 138, and 175 are going. team 40 and team 69 are not going to Atlanta to the best of my knowledge

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Time for explanations:

First, sorry to all the teams I accidentally omitted (1126). My bad.

Second, I wasn't quite telling the truth when I said I hadn't seen the teams I picked in action. And when I say I wasn't quite telling the truth, I mean I totally lied (but for comedic effect).

I saw team 303 at Annapolis. We played with them and against them. They're very good. One team I talked to (whose identity I will not reveal) said that their most hated team was 303. And when a lot of teams hate you, you MUST be good.

I watched the Silicon Valley webcast. Through blurried and un-buffered images (darn you dial-up) I think I saw team 254 doing very well. Or it could have been a can-opener. I don't know. (I have got to get DSL.)

I know absolutely nothing about team 311 except that they won the Long Island regional and they're in the same division as their good friend team 1114. And that could mean something in the elimination rounds.

Now as for team 16, my team (449) partnered with them. Not in the qualification rounds, but in the tournament. We were both on the winning alliance. Trust me when I say they're awesome.

Third, nobody should pay attention to my analysis. My picks are guaranteed to be wrong. I'm so inept, I picked Pittsburgh to win the NCAA Tournament. They almost got to the Elite 8.

That's all I have to say right now. I'm actually considering making a tournament pool at Atlanta. Of course, I will have to get around that no gambling issue.

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so youve just jinxed off the top teams with those comments, maybe we will have a chance after all :D

i didnt see this point but i might have missed it, but the best teams can often end up losing, at palmetto the 8th place team almost won in the finals, and the number one team they beat early on, in my opinion, was the dream team of the tournament, so upsets are almost a guarentee....maybe we will be one of those upsets *fingers crossed*

-read over my message, and before anyone is offended, the 8th seeded team was awesome and i enjoyed watching them play, i was trying to point out that highest see does not = win-

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7 more teams just joined:
57, 281, 971, 1112, 1272, 1305, 1398 (we are up to 289 teams at the Championship)

Plus 115 and 1422 are also eligible from SVR

Let's see what happens tomorrow.

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There's a distinct difference between the winners of every round and the winners of the rounds in the finals- I've always loved how this is the case. You're definitely right that some of the best robots don't do so well in the finals, and this could be because they didn't design their robot for the rounds in the finals, because they're played differently.

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hey im personally sayin that i dont think that the list will end up like that. but no matter how it ends up. you will be seein team 48 Delphi ELITE showing you a great performance from our drivers, our shooter, our engineers, our teachers, and the students. Team 48 is coming loud and strong. GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE TEAMS GOIN TO BE THERE! Team 48 wishes you the best. P.S. CONGRATS go out to 1006 and 1114 at the canadian regional.

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sorry to get off topic, but as i was reading this i too want to know a bit more on this system they had last year with choosing divisions. when FIRST uses that 12341234 do they start at the lowest numbered team and count up or do they just start somewhere in the middle and go full circle?

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If Im not mistaken, last year they started with team 1 and went 1234 1234 all the way through the list

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I don't really mind. Our team will do well, as long as it is allied with a good, strong hanger/auto ball dumper

Although I still wish we were in division 1, to form "the old alliance" - 27,111,461

Now that the autonomous on all three is working well, I don't see how we'll lose

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If I see John-V-Neun on one more person's "info" who isn't the REAL John-V-Neun

I'll go CRAZY!!! :ahh:

btw, who is John-V-Neun and what is he idolized for?

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The system was different 2 & 3 years ago. 2 years ago they lined up the teams from 1 - ... & the first 10 or so from each row went to 1 division, the next 10 went to the 2nd division, the next 10 to the 3rd & the last 10 to the 4th. They repeated this for each row and that was it. (if my memory serves me right.) I can't remember how they did it in 2001 & I know there weren't divisions in 2000. That was a fun year. I'm not sure if we ever really thanked 22 for picking us way back then. If not, thanks.

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And with a re-shuffle and the same system from last year this puts 60 and 254 in the same division. Could we actually see the 2 robots playing together? Or better yet playing against each other?

I know I a rooting for this!

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Hi Suneel112,
I'm JVN. I'm a college student majoring in mechanical engineering at Clarkson University in upstate NY, and a mentor on team 229. I like FIRST.

I don't know why I'm idolized.

Nice to meet you ;),
John

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Maybe im just stupid but how do i change that list so that i can see it? :confused:

THNX

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We were told yesterday by FIRST that the list for the divisions will be posted on their web site on wed.April 7th.

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You are idolized because:


1) You are a very great figure in FIRST.

2) Because Big Mike has a good sense of humor

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In 2001, if memory serves me correctly, FIRST lined up the teams according to decreasing average regional score and then did the 12341234 thing.

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OK folks, here is my new predictions for Divisions. There are now 294 teams scheduled to go to Atlanta.

Div 3 looks scarry to me - I hope I am wrong.

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I like the new listings. Although I wouldn't count on them, we are paired up with both of our partners from Cleveland in Division 1. Division 3 does look pretty rough, the rest of us could only hope that they beat each other up too bad to face any of the other divisions. Did you go through & look for Regional Champions or Finalists, that probably isn't worth doing until the "real" selections come out.
Thanks for putting this together, its fun.

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Division 3 is scary on that list: 33, 45, 65, 71, 111, 269...that'd be interesting.

We are up for the challenge.

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When I click, I get X's and )'s and N's.

Is there somewhere to download the file, or am I doing something wrong?

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right click & save target as...

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I like either division 1 or division 3.

Chris, right click on the file and select save as.

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Not to mention 386 and 945 champions from Florida

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:ahh: Division 3 also has 2 of the 3 UTC regional champions 571 Team Paragon and team 716 the Who C-techs:ahh:

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Me too....I liked your old prediction better...:)

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Here's the list with regional winners an top 10 seeds indicated.

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Oh, like the same way I download every other file (feeling a bit stupid...)

I should have known Raul would be trying to trick me :)

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He is a known trickster. I have added a new version for you to practice downloading. I have added a little more to Mark's additions, I included #1 seed & undefeated teams. Now I realllllly can't wait for the actual list to come out.

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Don't forget 60, when I saw them in Arizona they were awesome.

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Same method. It's out.

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Looks like when you say "undefeated" it means "per regional". There are some teams that went to two regionals and were undefeated at one, but didn't do so well at another.
Good info to have nonetheless!

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I would like to see a list with teams that only lost one. that would be good to know for when picking

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Jeez Mark, you get bored today?


Anyway official results are out and Mark was exactly right (as far as I can tell)...this man amazes me.. :ahh:

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Just when I get it figured out the real one gets published.

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Well, team 122 just signed up. Here's the file again.

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Wow...that is disgustingling accurate. Go check out the FIRST website!

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122 got thrown into archimedes and isn't part of the order. So V5 is incorrect. Just add 122 to Archimedes in V4 or earlier.

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Division one is....
Division two is...
Division three is...
Division four is...


Every one keeps refering to the division number can anyone put the right division with its correct name.

STOP CONFUZING ME!!!!!!!!

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ok the divisions are up. how about updating all those nice little color graphs and such. please!?

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Thanks DJ - give me no credit- If I had feelings they'd be hurt :)

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I think DJ is just punishing you for confusing me with that right click / save as stuff.....

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Done & done... V1 is up and ready to go, enjoy, added some data, deleated some data, & organized the divisions.


Basically I started from scratch.

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nice,, can u make it simplier for the newton like idiot user friendly... not a lot of smart kids on my team..

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Check the tabs at the bottom, it's all broken up. You east-siders...

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there is some errors in that last update list like 25 was an alliance capt in md and nj

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Alliance captians of the winning alliance only. I only have so much time. I will add for top 8 at a regional tomorrow.

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I think this is the best spread sheet so far

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Hi hi

Thanks for putting together that spreadsheet. This is my team's first year outside of the AZ regional and we appreciate all the information offered. I just figured out my question. I'm so not used to cell comments... weird. Thanks again :)

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get the v3 it is the best one and easy to read