Week #5 - Silicon Valley Regional
 

Congrads to:
Team 840 for the Imagery Award
Team 973 for the
Team 047 for the Xerox Creativity Award
Team 846 for the Delphi Driving Tomorrows Technology Award
Team 473 for the Daimler Chrysler Team Spirit Award
Team 972 for the Judges Award
Team 1280 for the
and from Team 115 Ted Shinta for the Regional Woodie Flowers Award

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Lets fill in the empty space shall we?

Silicon Valley Regional Friday Awards

Imagery Award: Team 840
SRI International & Aragon High School
San Mateo, CA USA

Leadership in Control Award: Team 973

Cal Poly SLO & Atascadero High School
Atascadero, CA USA

Xerox Creativity Award: Team 47

Delphi & Pontiac Central High School
Pontiac, MI USA

Delphi Driving Tomorrow’s Technology Award: Team 846

NASA/Peake Research/DP Product, Inc/Saratoga Systems & Lynbrook High School
San Jose, CA USA

Daimler Chrysler Team Spirit Award: Team 473

Montana State Univeristy/Bitterroot Engineering and Design & Corvallis High School
Corvallis, MT USA

Judges Award: Team 972

Los Gatos High School
Los Gatos, CA USA

Rookie Inspiration: Team 1280

San Ramon Valley High School
Danville, CA USA

Woodie Flowers Award: Ted Shinta from Team 115

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Thanks Ken for the specifics I was on the phone, typing on CD and watching the regional. I can only remember but so much !;)

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can anyone tell me how this works?

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thats probably How many Wins / Losses / Ties and Highest Match Score along with Average Match Points and QP's


Edit:// Thanks for the correction Eric

Team 311 See past Post#5 for correct determination

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team number - 971
number of qualification points - 10
average qualification points - 2
aveage losers points - 62
highest score by this team - 120

hope that's what you meant.

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Average qualifying points is what the rankings are actually based off. Undefeated is undefeated to the computer (not actual ranking points). So we (254) are currently second on ranking (opp. score) points.

Great job today at svr, its a lot of fun so far.

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no i meant why were they in first and had only played 5 matches

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It's based off of average W/L points per match. You get 2 points for a win, 1 for a tie, 0 for a loss. If you are 5-0-0, you have 10 points / 5 = 2 points average. If you are 6-0-0 you have 12 points / 6 = 2 points average. The ranking is based off average, not total.

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... therefore those 3 are ranked the same in respect to QP's, so their actual ranking is determined by their Average Ranking Points (the 7th column).

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ok

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We could of done good at San Jose because everyone was scoring low but we didn't get to go because of lack of funding. We actually got $10,000 dollars from a company but the company gave the money to the wrong school. Rumor has it that team 1031 from SF got the money.

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Oh man! The Cheesy Poofs hit the ground hard!
OUCH!

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that is the second time i have seen them fall like that what is up with that.

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Fortunately they've made a pretty robust piece of machinary.

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nice robot there cheesy poofs...

nice match 140 to 80

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If they win this next match this will be their seventh straight Silicon Valley Regional championship!
Amazing!

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6th, but no less amazing. The first Silicon Valley regional was 1999, and they've won every single one.

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Ooops! My mistake. :o

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wow!!!! :ahh: :] :p



it's a big talking hat! :p

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uh oh the 220 high score better stay!!

CONGRATS Cheesy Poofs!
254!
971!
852!

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I think the difference is you guys had two filled goals capped.

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congrads to team 971***254***852 for being SVR 1st. place

team 100***961***1280 for being SVR 2nd. place

Awards Winners will be posted Shortly

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I was wondering when the Cheesy Poofs were going to win a Chairman's award.

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They won it last year at the Sacramento Regional. Congrats for doing it again!

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254 should start franchising, I would buy one.

Easily the most successful team in FIRST history and they proved it again

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How do the cheesy poofs do it. Year after year in their exsistance they have walked away with an undisputed title from SVR. Could it be something Mechanical or do they too have something Magical in them. Hopefully a cheesy poof representative will answer all our questions on how they did it again esp. after too hard falls after their cabling mechanism for the hook snaps / breaks.

Once again congrads to them and their alliance.

Maybe next year a different 3 teams will have a chance in taking home the big trophy cuz 254's trophu case have got to be heavy from all those BIG trophies and medals. j/k :)

Good Luck guys in GA

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Man, oh man... the Cheesy Poofs win another one.

We have two cheesy poof alumni on our team now down here in San Diego, and they say 254's success at winning regionals is given credit to two main things:

(1) The Cheesy Poofs have crazy team organization (look at their handbook)

(2) 254 does a great job of scouting every match and every team

Oh yeah, they also have great engineering on their robot on top of everything else.

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last year we picked them and 852 and took the silicon vallery regional with their help. This year we were against them and we had a great match with them alliance 1 with alliance 8 and we put up a good match stoping them from hanging and capping the goal. score was 75-80 ehh lost by one ball and the second match our alliance partner had a drive failur so we lost:) great match though thanks to our mentees 670 and 1072 for a great run.

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our srv titles are never undisputed. we've gotta face alot tough teams to get them. every year we set out to make the best bot we can and push the envelope just a little more.

as for the cable...OMG! frustrating...as one of the main mech. guys on the team let me tell chasing that problem was so annoying. and i almost cried when our bot fell the 4-5 feet it did. we all went grabbing for allen wrenches and screw drivers thinking we'd have to do some kinda overhaul on the drive side it fell on. and we were stunned that the robot didn't even suffer a scratch from the fall. no dents no nada...i dunno. i guess the hdpe absorbed the impact.

thanks to our alliance partners 971 and 852! we've been impressed with 971's hanging system since we watched them test it @ our lab, GREAT JOB GUYS!. and as for 852 we don't know how they stayed around till the second round of picking but we love you guys! awsome team year to year!

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They play smart, they play hard, and they do the best they can to be as competitive as they can. While they're doing all this, they are also taking the time to help others, share their knowledge, and work to "push the FIRST envelope".

My one experience competing with 254 was in Cleveland 2002. If one thing was clear, it was that they knew EXACTLY what was going on, what we needed to do to win, and what our opponents were going to do. I imagine, this attitude toward competition is one of the major reasons for their success. Stay calm, stay focused, and do what needs to be done.

(Ohh... and build a darned good robot to help you along, and pick darned good partners who play the same way you do. ;))

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We keep telling you, use Spectra! Congratulations and thanks so much to both you and 971!

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LOL! Maybe we will at Nationals. Thanks again for being allied with us (again). WE're so glad no one picked you in the first round.

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We think we have the problem worked out. In the match where it fell 4 feet, our ratchet wouldn't catch, so i kept driving the winch hoping it would catch at some point. I was just about to let off the winch and just let the robot fall when the top of our robot hit the bar and the cable snapped. We had set the winch up incorrectly before the match which is why it never ratcheted.

But then we went out and hung both matches in the finals, so we think it's fixed.

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I almost cried too when that robot came down. It winches up pretty slow, at least compared to the monumental speed on the way down. In a split second we were down and tipped (the first time we've ever fallen over, I suppose), and no one on our side could see anything but the bottom of the bot, so we had no idea what the damage was. Turns out when Justin and I went to get it off the field, everything looked fine; we were even still powered. Finally got that cable fixed and put up a great score in the final match. Thanks to all at the regional.

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Woodside's (Team 100) mascot (the big orange cat in the hat type hat) is really cool. It ate the Jesuit mascot's chair :D okay, maybe engulfing is a better term but that's okay, the big giant hat is cool!

Congrats to all of the teams at SVR! Oh, and to the Cheesy Poofs, yes, Spectra is a good thing. Now if we could just find it in red or black... But anyway, see you guys at nationals!

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I took a look at the video my dad took during elim matches, and we didn't actually fall onto our side. We hit the wheels, and bounced up, then down again and tipped. Thank whatever luck we had that day (Friday it seemed everything broke) that we were mostly over the platform, and came straight down, or we could seriously have damaged our bot. Scariest moment ever.

...hey cool two dots...wonder when that happened...

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This year's was the best SVR yet!
Congratulations to winning alliance 971, 254, and 852. All the robots and students were amazing, but yours stood out the most, and won you the regional. Good job, and good luck at nationals.
Thanks to our own alliance partners, 473 and 687. Two great teams with great robots that I'm surprised didn't get picked earlier. 687 as 13th pick was a steal. We were a great alliance that worked well together, and there's certainly no shame in losing to the poofs.

Everyone did a wonderful job this year, and I hope the next one is even better!
Now...back to sleep.

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OK here’s the cable scoop, in the earlier matches our cable was fairly ridged, as we would winch up we believe it was pushing up against a small radius pin that holds our ratchet in place. Since we drive away as we winch, a side load was being applied to the cable (which is only intended to withstand tensile loading). The cable would kink and then eventually snap.

Later we went to a more flexible cable, and didn’t have any problems until we sent the robot out without properly setting up the ratchet. When Jay winched up the ratchet couldn’t engage and we kept back driving down. Not one to give up, Jay kept at winching up and trying to engage the ratchet until…BAM! The top of the bot hit the bar then the bottom of the bot hit the floor…OUCH! Apparently our winch delivers 900+ lbs because we snapped that cable ourselves. Amazingly the robot didn’t have a scratch on it.

The only thing we don’t like about the flexible cable is that it tends to fray and we have to change the cable every 4-5 matches, which we will do if need be. As for the Spectra, the guide we use to route the cable across the spool would have cut through Spectra like a piece of string. So although we may redesign the guide and use Spectra at Nationals it really wasn’t an option at the time.

Good luck to all,
Dennis

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Heh, we wanted to pick 852 the whole time, but thought that 254 was going to decline 971 and pick 852. When they actually accepted, I wasn't paying any attention and didnt see that they hadn't picked 852. We made it to the finals anyways, so I can't really be too mad :P

Great job to teams 971, 254, and 852. We couldn't have lost to a better alliance.

We were absolutely amazed that we were finalists. For those of you who don't know, we went 0-8-1 at Sacramento, and finished dead last. For us to not only seed 9th, but captain the 6th alliance, and make it to the final match was simply amazing.

I really want to thank our alliance partners. Without them, we would never have made it past the QF's. 691 has a great hanging bot, and so does 1280. You guys truly deserved the Inspiration Award, and we look forward to competing with you next year.

I also want to thank team 1422 for being such great pit neighbors. You guys are awesome also, and we had lots of fun hanging out with you guys last night. We'll see you in two weeks!

Cory

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Yeah Sillicon Valley regional was pretty cool especially at finals ...254 dominated i was amazed at how fast they played the game .... makes me want to build a robot that can actually be competitive with them.... :D ... our team (701) Did very well compared to Sac... at sac we got picked although we were 30th seed, this time we figured out how to hang, fixed our planetary drive, and played fast, we were manueverable, our driver was REALLy good... we hung 1 match against team 47 and team ??? in which we won that was really fun esp finally hanging .. Unfortunately our last match we were 7th seed and then lost to 115 and 972 who played well, I couldn't get the hook to swing around and so we went down to 13th seed (FINAL) ... we didn't get picked although 12th seed made it as an alliance leader .... thats too bad o well.

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Bubbling over with INSPIRATION!
I love it!!!

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How do the poofs do it? Well obviously it is the quality of the mentors! ;)

Seriously - Lot's of things have changed about the Poofs - the one thing that has stayed constant is Steve Kyramarios - who was their mentor in 1999 when the students were from Broadway Continuation High School, and the teacher expertise was english. (You might remember that teacher - his name was Jason Morella.) Lot's of things have changed - the mentors(all except Steve), the students and teachers (now from Bellarmine Prep.) Their shop location has changed at least 4 times, from a class room to a basement to a old warehouse to an vacant wing of a sheet metal shop.

Here is a list of what also doesn't change:

A strong streak of competitiveness
willingness to work hard and always do your best
Grace to admit your mistakes and learn from them
Lots of practice driving your robot.
Realizing even though the build cycle is 6 weeks, there is an awful lot you can
do before the build cycle to get ready.
Thorough strategic analysis of the game.
Careful scouting of potential allies and opponents.
Collaboration with and assisting other FIRST Teams.
Staying cool and calm and focused during competition.

I am very proud of this team as they not only represent their school, they also represent NASA Ames Research Center and the NASA Robotics Education Project. Dean Kamen always gives out homework assignments to FIRST teams. The Poofs always do their homework. A little history here - Not only have the poofs won SVR 6 times in a row, They have only ended up as finalists in one of the total of 9(?) regionals they competed in. I am pretty sure they have reached the elimination rounds in every national they have competed in, and were National finalists in 2001. They also are two time regional Chairman's Award winners.