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Atlanta was very cool for me because for the first time in 3 years, I was able to meet and have some excelent discussions with some of my midwestern counterparts. During these discussions, I came to one big conclusion....what happened to the northeast this year? Sure we had a couple of teams make a good run at it, but the finals were a Michigan and Indiana dominated set of matches! Over the years I think that there has been a definate split in FIRST reguarding the game style and teams in the region...i separate them into 4 major groups.
Northeast: Primarly a defensive region. Great past national champions such as Gael Force, Tigerbolt, Raider Robotix, and Rage and Aces High among others. A very competitive region where everyone is out for blood at the regionals and offseason competitions. Midwest: Has quickly become the powerhouse region. Primarily an offensive oriented region, with champions like Beatty and Hammond (4 times over), the Technokats, Wildstang, Sunny Delight (now extinct), and Juggernauts among others. From the outside, seems to be quite a tight knit group...very competitive on the inside. South: A good mix of offensive and defensive robots. Teams like Baxter Bomb Squad, Heatwave, Cortez High School, Space Coast, and other oldies make for an excelent competitiveness. West: Another strong offensive division with a few very solid defensive teams. Home of the Cheesy Poofs, Kingman, GRT, among others. Region thus far has been pretty much dominated by the Poofs and Kingman, but other teams are starting to show some good strength. You can almost see the rivalry forming between the regions. I know that in the northeast, very often we talk of knocking the midwest off the pedistil (sp?.) that they have been sitting on as of late...makes for some very exciting matches and great trash talking ;) Now, the question I pose to everyone is this... What do you think of an event that would bring teams together from each of these regions to decide who is the "King" of regions. Very similar to the Ryder Cup in golf? I think it would be very cool if you could manage to get all those teams in one place for something like that. ;) |
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I think it would be awesome.
I would like to see a regional regional, but how would you decide which teams could compete. -Maybe the teams from each region would vote on 5-10 bots to go and play for them. Kind of like an election. |
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The Grady Cup??? Sounds like goooooood watchin'!
I didn't realize the Northeast trash talked about the midwest so much. I'm going to have to step up my game. How's about this: "You guys don't win anymore because you're all too tired from the shuffle board games at the retirement home. It's about time you dinosaur teams pulled your 350 HP / 25 MPH-going, left-turn-signal-stuck-on Cadillacs off the road!" Okay, okay. I'm just kidding - but I had to get a jab in somewhere. Back to the topic... It does sound like a lot of fun. The only problem is that it would be tough to get all of the teams to travel for another event. |
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If you are including Rochester in the northeast, there were two Rochester teams in the finals (i.e. they were Division Champions). That means, at worst, 1/6 of the teams were from the Northeast. While that's not exactly proportional, I'm not sure it's quite as bad as you seem to be making out.
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Back on topic - I think it, "The Grady Cup," should rotate year to year...IRI, Beantown Blitz, BBS Brawl, California Robot Games, etc. and could have the regional "best of the best" sponsored to compete. It would have to have some careful selection criteria to take the luck of strong vs. weak FRC pairings out. |
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There are a tons of west coast teams who would love such an event. You mentioned the cheesy poofs, kingman, and GRT, but there are few other teams who are not exactly famous to the rest of the country, and always have a powerful machine each year, like Beachbot 330, Thunderbot 980, Team 968, and team 852. And they are going to take the champion trophy sooner or later! |
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The "Grady Cup" has the potential to turn into something very exciting. Sure the logistics of it are rather complicated, but let's forget about that for now.
One region that wasn't mentioned was my little part of the world, Canada. Teams like 188, 1114 and 1241 would definitely be able to give some of the "big boys" a run for their money. Despite the fact that their money is worth more than ours... =) It'd be neat if each region had to choose one three team alliance. Wow, that choice would be extremely difficult in the midwest. |
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This sounds like a fun idea and could turn out to be very exciting. After some brief thought I came up with a rough draft method of accomplishing this.
How many teams Each Regional would be given one entry (entry could be one robot or one alliance) to the "Grady Cup" for every 30 teams in attendance. This would guarantee every regional at least 1 representative and mega regionals (like the Canadian one) would not be under-represented. Choosing the teams The representing team(s) from each regional should be chosen by their peers with guidlines saying that whomever is chosen must have made it at least to the quarter-finals. Where If this event were to take place I agree with Dave Campbell that it should rotate every year to a new location. The offseason events would be a good option since the competition structure is already in place. There would be many details to work out (e.g. Can team afford to make another comp. trip?). Maybe Andy already has a plan in the works :) . Just my thoughts... |
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i pick the Northeast because of the bond with the other teams out there like 237, and 222, i can't forget 25.
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tune down the ego there, buddy.. the only issue I see with this is- money. Wherever it is held, there will be teams that can't make it. Probably half of them, actually, as it would cost over a thousand to drive, sleep, and spend a day somewhere far away from home. Anyone have a way to get past this issue? |
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Hmm. Interesting. The question is, would discounts be enough to help, and if so, where would they want to be? (IE: Hotel's not so much the issue as is transportation costs, or vice versa). After that, it's just a matter of making the cost part of what you normally would fundraise.
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For simplicity, why not invite the winning alliance from each regional. Then the competition could be more of a finals atmosphere with no quals. I mean, i realize that there are duplicate winners and teams that wont make it. But if a team from an alliance will be missing, the other two could choose a replacement from their regional? Obviously this wont represent all the great bots, or even the best bots of each regional. But it is the best representation of what it takes to win a given regional. And if these alliances face off, the winners would best represent the strongest regional. What do you all think?
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Another thing, last year Wildstang really didn't become what everyone now remembers until late Friday of the Championships....same thing with 469 this year....they didnt make the elim at GLR, they were quarterfinalists at Midwest and then they were finalists in atlanta.... |
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I See what you are getting at, but I was trying to provide an accurate representation of a winning alliance at a regional. The captain of a regional doesnt just get to pick the two best teams, they must make intellegent decisions from a field of remaining robots. I guess I think that some regionals may have a few incredibly strong teams(type a), and others a well rounded field of good teams(type b). The question isnt what regional has the most insanely powerful teams, rather which is most difficult to win. By comparing winning alliances, you can gauge the difficulty of winning different regionals, fielded with different types of teams. I guess I would like to see if it is more difficult to win type a or b. Not which regional has the 3 best teams attending.
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I know its not cool to be egocentric, but here goes:
The Midwest IS WHERE ITS AT!!! LITERALLY In terms of robotics, the Midwest won at least two years in a row, one year with the winning alliance being made up ENTIRELY of Midwest teams 2003 (Houston, Texas): 469 (Las Guerrillas; Bloomfield Hills, MI), 111 (Wildstang; Schaumburg, IL) and 65 (The Huskie Brigade; Pontiac, MI) 2004 (Atlanta, Georgia): 71 (Team Hammond (aka Beatty); Hammond, IN) , 494 (The Martians; Goodrich, MI), 435 (The Robodogs; Raleigh, NC) 2 of 3 were from the midwest. 2005 (Atlanta, Georgia): 461 (Westside Boiler Invasion; West Lafayette, IN), ???, ??? (the last one was just an egocentric prediction) Anyways, now that I responded with all my egotism, I think its time to get that out and just say that there are great, strong regionals everywhere! :D (as long as everywhere means Evanston, IL; Ypsilanti, MI; or Cleveland, OH) ;) |
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The south definately has a reputation as being one of the most brutal and defensive regionals out there. Teams like 233 and 79 are just two that i can think off the top of my head that are pretty descriptive of what a good southern robot is like.
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Of course I know this idea won't happen but anyway... I think the best way to pick the regional teams would be to nominate a captain for each region and let them pick a lineup. Sure deserving teams get left out but selecting teams solely on regional wins or finalist appearances is quite flawed. Not only is there an extremely large amount of luck involved but due to the nature of picking alliances it’s unlikely that all the best teams are represented in the finals. Even if the #1 seed is the best team and picks the second best team at the competition their third partner will at best be the 17th best team. Keep in mind I think any team that makes it to the elimination rounds is deserving, my point is that often the best teams get spread out amongst the alliances. So I say just pick one of the big names, or a group of them if you prefer, from each region and let them fill out the rosters.
So, I would have the regional captain select 10 teams to represent that region and, just for fun, 2 alternates. The format would consist of a best of five matches between two regions with the winner moving on. Each team plays at most one match per round. Lineups are declared at the beginning of each round with all five of the two-team pairings and the match # they will play in. Although I think you should just give the Midwest the trophy now. :) 111 & 494 – Worked at nationals. 93 & 67 – 93 catches ALL the balls, 67 caps it and hangs. 33 & 111 – 33 fills the goal, 111 caps and hangs. 45 & 47 – Lots of small balls, 45 caps while 47 hangs. 461 & 469 – With both goals full of balls and doubled why hang? Also please keep in mind this is a quick list during my break from circuits. I definitely forgot some teams and, with only 10 spots, didn’t get to put in all the great ones I did remember. I would expect anyone given the job of filling out this team for real would have quite the hard time. As far as getting all those teams in one place, well, that would pretty much be impossible but to save on hotel costs everyone can stay at my house! I do think a location could be found within driving distance for a Midwest vs. NE showdown but those Cali teams are so far away... btw... what about the Canadians, or the Brazilians for that matter. -dtk |
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but this year the northeast had a lot of really good robots.... 365, 222, 25, 175, 303, 11, 237, 88, 56, and many others |
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2003 finalists: 494 (midwest), 25 (northeast) 2002 Champions: 71, 66 (midwest), and 173 (northest). 2002 Finalist: 308 (midwest), 311 (northeast) 2001 Champions: 71 (midwest), 365 (northeast) 2001 Finalists: 111, 33, 349, 144 (midwest) 2000 Champions: 25 (northeast) 2000 Finalists: 111 (midwest), 126 (northeast) (sorry, my memory is pretty fuzzy from 2000 and 1999) 1999 Champions 176 (northeast), 1 (midwest) 1999 Finalists: 111, 45 (midwest) 1998 Champion: 45 (midwest) 1998 Finalist: 121 (northeast) 1997 Champion: 71 (midwest) 1997 Finalist: 47 (midwest) (Note: 1997 team numbers are the CURRENT numbers for those teams). So, since 1997 (since I've been involved in FIRST), the number of championship and finalist participants have been (according to my fuzzy memory): Midwest: 22 Northeast: 8 Granted, I think I may have missed a couple in 1999 and 2000, but it appears the midwest has the edge. Hey Andy, thanks for getting the ball rolling on the trash-talking thing. :D |
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The northeast will return next year, full force...be afraid, be very afraid! -Andy Grady |
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The 2000 National Finalists were Teams 126, 131 and 102, all from the Northeast The 1999 National Champions included Team 48, from the Midwest. |
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You should try and make it to the IRI this year to see how the midwest teams do it up. Oh right! You were at nationals, so by watching the finals you already saw how the midwest teams do it. (This is getting fun!) Okay, Andy - I'm going to stop now (I promise). You should know that I respect the northeast as much as anyone. You guys are great. Seriously though, you should come to the IRI. It's a great time. |
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229 + 126 vs ANYBODY. You up for it? It's freakin' unbeatable man. ;) JV |
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Who knows...maybe at a certain possible undisclosed special event in 2005, we might be able to find out who really is the best region once and for all. ;) By the way, you can keep talking trash all ya want...I think its fun, and it adds to the rivalry...just as long as it stays fun and there are no personal attacks or anything like that. -Andy Grady |
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Well, I dunno if the Gael Force and R2 will be in the same event at any point this summer, but I will say this... I may very well be a "free agent" at a certain event comming up in June. My strategy and/or coaching abilities may be available to any team who might be daring enough to make me the correct offer for my services ;) |
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Bring it on! I would bet that a mixture of numerous Indiana teams could whoop your butt. :) Andy B. |
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(And the rivalry heats up!) -Andy Grady |
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Cmon Baker, pick your alliance. Don't limit yourself... pick from anywhere in the Midwest... Better yet, make it a mentors grudge match. Grady drives his robot, Joel drives our robot. I'll coach. Are you ready for a full season of pent up "Joel-can't-drive-aggresion"? The man is an artist with a joystick... Are you ready for that? I don't think so. |
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Just bring it! -Andy Grady |
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I'm always up for a challenge. Bring your robot up to Wonderland and we can try this out. |
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I'm sure that would be a fun match up |
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How about YOU come to US! ;) (Actually, I'm not gonna be anywhere near my robot this summer... Whatever off-seasons 229 ends up at, isn't my decision at all, it's all up to the kids... maybe they WILL come to Canadia. *shrug*) John |
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Why wouldn't you guys come, you wouldn't be scared of some little Canadian robots, would ya? Trash talking across borders. Yee-haw. |
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The HS kids get in the mentality of: "It's not REAL money, it's Canadian money... it looks like it came out of a Monopoly game!" Plus there is the whole drinking age thing, just leads to trouble. ;) We already won you a gold, what more do you want from us?? ;) |
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Are you sure you'll be able to compete at an event without us? I mean, when something goes wrong with your robot, who's going to fix it? ;) |
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Funny you say NORTH Karthik considering that the Toronto area is actually south of Potsdam. May we will venture back over the border someday to win one with you guys on your home turf. (or beat you, either way it doesn’t matter much to us :) ) We will see what we can do about getting over there, sometimes border crossing is a little tight "We have this robot, and all these electronics...oh, and a bunch of batteries to power it with, please let us cross" usually doesn't go over to well. Eric |
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The only way that this "match-up" could ever happen is if 126 and 229 would bring their robots to Indiana for the July 9-10th IRI. Many good midwest teams will be there, and you could even pick our partner for us. As for driving, I am terrible. The last time I drove, I put a hole in our alliance station wall (2001) after going airborne off the ramp. Needless to say, I will let our students drive. They are much better at it than I and I don't have any has-been dreams that I need to prove. :) So, I'm up for the challenge... bring it on. But, you gotta bring it to Indy. Andy B. |
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It is easy to trash talk when you know you won't show up. Here in Canada we have a better deal for you than you have for us. Our food is cheaper, our hotels are cheaper and our dollar is worth less. What do you have to lose except your dignity? We Canadians are great hosts but we won't give you a match. I think that with Karthiks approval, Team 188 and Team 1114 will challenge ANY 2 American teams that dare cross our borders. Let us see if you dare. Canadian teams have always come to the US teams, now it's your turn to step up. :p
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As for IRI...well, it all depends on my situation, but maybe if I am able to make it, I can adopt a team for a weekend and show you how it is really done :D |
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who's broken a wall. This year I knocked out a plywood board or two when I tried strafing around the field. Don't worry, my true talents are in my shooting ability. I'll take all challengers in a shoot out. This kid is baller and a shot caller. So Clarkson is a possibility... Who else is in? Mr. Baker, I'm looking in your direction. You know you want to come. Canada's Wonderland, June 5-6. Be there. |
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karthik--- you don't konw how bad I want to go to Winter Wonderland... I think that it is possible for TJ to be there... I have been practically begging Mrs. Calef and I think she likes the idea... Especially since it is cheaper than some competitions... The problem for us would be the bus situation... hmmm I don't know... I'm praying TJ can go up there and take over Canada!!! hahahaha :P
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Yeah, I agree with Chris. I have a hard time thinking of a team in Indiana that is bad. My team didn't go to Nationals, (I mean the Championship for you Canadians) but I think that us and any other Indiana team could take you!
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I'm certainly more scared of your 6th graders than of your "pros". Those kids still know how to play. |
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Sorry I can't reply just now, I am busy crossing some names off of my
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Yep. I most certainly am. Checkmate. He wins. All hail Cyber Blue, and Indiana. Wooo. John |
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Fultz got me with a low blow. Besides... I'll defend our honor just fine next year at nationals. ;) John (Now I just need to get us qualified) |
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Don't even start. I've been practically begging you guys to come up to Wonderland. For the past three years you guys have been our favourite guests. Since you've been to three Canadian Regionals, could we bestow you guys with honorary Canadian status? I'd challenge anyone to take on the old alliance of 1114 and 48. (Provided neither of us slips a tread, or damages a strafing module...) |
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I've stayed out of the mix for far too long, so here I go...
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Definitions: Defense (Northeast Version) - When a robot uses full force to bash, ram, or block a team from scoring points, resulting in victory. Defense (Midwest Version) - Tip over, accidentally get in the way of opponent. Its ok Mike...I mean look at football teams like the Colts...great offense, alot of fun to watch. Eventually though, they were overun by the stronger, more experienced, defensive masterminds, the New England Patriots. Another case where the Northeast dominates. ;) -Andy Grady |
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Love to have Team 48 come to Canadas Wonderland Invitational BUT you are from the US so you must find your own alliance partners. Team 48 almost has Canadian citizenship but not quite. Maybe you could help out 639 and they could be your partner. I know they beat you bad last meeting but I'm sure that you can become friends. Even 188 and 1114 can get over a few minor differences in the name of US/Canada competition. :p
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Somehow I don't think we will be travelling to IRI or Wonderland this year (it's a little far). However, if any midwest alliance or canadian alliance or northeast alliance will come out west, team 60 and 254 will take you on. Don't get confused, our robots look kind of similar. Since we can do everything, that's ok that we do not have complementary alliance partners (unlike all of your regions, where you need alliance partners who do something different from you).
Actually, if you're scared of Kingman, come to the Cal Games. We will beat you with our practice robot and our competition robot. If you want to know what happens when the Midwest challenges us on our home turf, look at Chief Delphi's performance at SVR. If you want to know how the Northeast compares to the West, look at 190 at SVR in 2003 (not sure about the year...might have been 2002). If you want to know how the South compares to the West, look at 945 at Sacramento (they were the best of the three regions). Canadian teams have not come to either Sacramento or Silicon Valley yet. btw...there are many more excellent Western robots |
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When we went to Arizona (west) and competed - we were #1 seed.
When we went to Chicago against the mid-west power houses, we were #9. How can you argue with facts - obviously the midwest is the tougher region! ps - to anyone just joining - this is a fun forum - please no negative reps for anybody! |
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Oh Grady, how have you forgotten 99 so quickly? Gotta love that 45 machine...the definition of defense ;) |
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Could be a great time! We might even be able to get you a robot! |
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I will coach the CA alliance and score our own matches. Perfect strategy to get #1 seed. Are you scared now? You might hear me comment in the background after our matches: "I just don't know how our team keep capping that goal with 48 balls in it! That's unpossible!" |
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How'd you guys seed in Newton? ;) |
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Actually I have no clue...but John, i think you were standing right next to me and Paul Copioli when we got picked in the first round despite our lousy qualifying luck.
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And we had the best human player in the world. 100%. Never missed a shot. Going to the NBA as soon as he has his diploma. I think he is Reggie Millers' replacement. Matt - BYW / I was serious about that 'All-Star' team from CA. PM me if you are interested. |
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After reading the post by Matt D it seems that when push comes to shove that the Cheesypoofs are more Poof than anything. It must be the laid back life dude.
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oh matt d doesnt need to worry about that at all. Thanks to our international robotics exchange program, Team 188 will actually be putting some action behind all this turkey talk and will be heading down to SoCal in 2005 after hosting Team 22 this year. And uh, yeah, how about that laid back life? maybe you'll just take our drubbing of you easily hmm? =D
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i think that there's no stopping the midwest.
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I'm just kidding. You guys are awesome. I'm just being a Northeast jerk, in the spirit of the thread. ;) John |
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I love your robot, but while we're on the topic of teams competing across country, let's take a little stroll down memory lane. The year is 2002. The game is Zone Zeal. The site, is the Buckeye Regional. The result, the Poofs lose in the semifinals. If my memory serves me correctly, you guys have won 9 of the 11 regional events you've ever been to. Could it just be a coincidence that you happen to lose the only one you've been to outside of California? Hmmm. Or maybe you'll do what I like to do, and blame it Clarkson... ;) Just stirring the pot... |
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ok...we lost when we went to Cleveland. The Midwest it better than us. what can I say?
hopefully we will go down to a different regional than just sacramento and svr so we will get to play against some of your awesome teams. (please note that everythingi say in this thread, meaning my joking bragging, is just for fun and not serious. please do not think that I really think we would necessarily win etc. I just think it would be fun to play with or against some teams from other locations. I think the achievements of the Midwest are incredible and i look up to many of those teams. Remember, this thread is all in fun) |
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I haven't forgotten 1999. Like I said earlier, I have a good memory of 1999 at Rumble at the Rock when my team (Team 42 at the time) sent the Technokittens into the deep realm of defeat...after we ripped the tread off their drive system, and ripped them right off the puck...promptly replacing them ON the puck for the victory ;) To be quite honest though, I do have alot of respect for the Technokats ability to play defense all these years...I will always consider them a northeast team trapped in the offsensive land of Indiana ;) |
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Matt I think you are handling yourself better than I would. The Cheesy Poofs lost in Buckeye because they were in the middle of changing their design. They got it right in San Jose, seeded 1st and won the very next week. I think I'll stop because I have a tendancy to offend people. PM me or hit me up on my AIM @ FluffyBlink if you want get into it. |
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how about restarting the Rumble at the Rock off season tournement and introducing the "Grady Cup" there?
the original FIRST off season tournement spot i think should hold a best of the best tournement |
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Lets just say, I am working on a suprise for the 2005 offseason...keep your eyes peeled in the coming weeks. Did you know, the summer of 2005 would be 10 years since Rumble at the Rock was first created? Kinda makes you think...doesn't it? :yikes: -Andy Grady |
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Here's another set of definitions for you to chew on: Offense (Midwest Version) - When a robot uses cleverly, beautifully, and specifically, designed assemblies to score lots of points for their alliance, resulting in victory. Offense (Northeast Version) - Repeatedly bash, ram, or block the opponent in the hopes that they get confused and score for your alliance. Quote:
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Be careful what you wish for. I have often been tempted to make a killer defensive robot to fit the name "wildstang". When I get fed up with complex mechanisms, we may do that. The problem is that it is no fun to sit in the pits and have every other team mad at you because you completely took away their ability to compete. And then they would all complain that it is a battlebot not a FIRST robot. You see, it is more fun to design and drive a robot that can perform several delicate functions, rather than just go after other robots to stop them. A "box on wheels" as my good friend Mike Bastoni use to call them, can do that. Lots of creativity there huh? |
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You see, the best offense IS a defense. Lets go back to 1995 for a minute and review a defensive masterpiece which was called "The Big Bopper". In the finals, against Raychem and Woodside High School, the Gael Force robot would drive up the side of the ramp, barrel into Woodside or any other robot sitting on top of the hill, then when they were down and out..score juuuust enough to get by. This ultimately resulted in more exciting matches! In the northeast, we like to keep things close and exciting....no 300 point blowouts like you guys in the midwest try to accomplish each year, putting the collective audience to sleep. With FIRST, its all about style! In the northeast, we are alllll style. As for Raul...didn't you guys build one of those defensive robots last year? Wildstang the wedge? See, defense does win championships my friend...I dont deny that you midwesterners are catching on...it just took ya a while ;) Of course you need to understand...when Team Hammond won its 4th championship this year, they woke up the sleeping giant that is the Northeast. Next year when things get a little rough on you midwesterners...make sure you give your thanks to the Beatty's for giving us something to shoot for :D -Andy Grady P.S. For those just tuning in, just a reminder that this is a fun thread...my comments and the comments of others are not meant to put down or belittle any team in a serious manner...in other words...don't take anything I have to say seriously ;) |
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Revolt..no sir, we are just trying to find a way to make sure no non-Indiana team has a chance. Just wait, eventually the championship will be in Indianapolis so all the teams can drive home every night instead of staying at a hotel.
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