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I absolutely love this picture. Thanks to TechnoKat Lee Hinze for taking it. There are so many things going on here.
1. The entire field is captured in the picture 2. Many important people are around the field. You can see Dave Ferrera (blue/white Hawaiian shirt), Kenny A, Ed Sparks, Jim Zontag, Dan Green, and Paul Copioli, Mark Breadner, Hut Snow, Tim from 65. 3. The excitement of our cheering section is captured 4. The 716/45 drive team is going crazy. ... and most importantly, look at the two blonde guys in the team 45 drivers station hugging each other. The student with his back to us (Austin) is hugging his dad (Delphi engineer Steve Butler). That look of pure happiness on Steve's face is priceless. That was quite a moment. Andy B. |
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I knew you guys would do it. In this thread http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...82&postcount=9 I mentioned that I thought you guys would be the highest scoring robot of the year. I thought you had it at Midwest. I'm glad you did it because I had some side action going on that you would pull it off. You cut the timing a little too close for comfort, though.
I also want to give a little credit here to Ken Patton for his "Finger and Thumb" prediction. He hit the nail on the head. Take that, Paul! (ha ha) -Chris |
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I captured a view of some of Team 45 cheering in the stands immediately afterwards.
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I am pround to say that I help with the real time scoring on the blue side. Thats me sitting 2 seats to the right of the IFI person.
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That was my favorite match. I don't care how much people dislike certain aspects of the game this year. The simple fact is that it was so much fun to watch and play. Matches like this made me glad I gave up my Saturday to sit at the computer.
Great job guys. |
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Ken P.S. thumbs up Paul! |
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Patton,
You weasel! Your finger and thumb scenario did not pan out. Never once did you say a thumb was a robot playing defense on the field. I still claim that 2 TechnoKat like robots would beat a Beatty & Martian (1 offense + 1 defense) team. We may never know. |
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Ken: "The winning alliance at nationals will consist of a finger and a thumb." Chris: "huh?" Ken: "There will be one offensive robot (the finger), and one strong defensive robot (the thumb) that will keep the other team from scoring." Chris: "Sounds reasonable." Paul: "No way. A finger and a thumb could never beat two great offensive machines." Ken: "I'm just saying, the alliance that wins the championship will consist of a good finger, and a good thumb." Paul: "Okay, you're on!" Then I remember something about singing karaoke in Atlanta. What song did you choose, Paul? |
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You know Chris, Paul is partially right on this one - I was hoping he might just let me get away with this. He knows that my ideal thumb (and the one I thought would win it all) was a pole-dominator in the style of 190,930,330,237. So, he is <gulp> kind of correct in his observation that I'm being a weasel.
But, Paul, there is no doubt that there was a thumb on the field. Ken Patton Team 65 The Weasel Brigade |
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Ken,
Very true. However, there were not two fingers on the opposing alliance. My arguement is that a defender trying to stop two offensive robots will get beat very severely. Example: Team 33 and Team 45 (or 303,461,469,1241,93) both have their robots full of balls. O.K. defender, what do you do? Try to stop both and you will stop neither. Try to stop one and the other will score unstopped. Chances are the defender will lose. An off season competition will prove me right ... I know it! -Paul |
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45 + 33 vs. 494 + 60. 494 plays big D on those pesky technokittens. Shuts them down. 33 goes nuts on offense. 60 does the same. 494 and 60 both hang. Who wins? Finger + Thumb. I gotta agree with Ken on this one Paul. A more versatile alliance can take down a strictly offensive alliance. Especially if they have the magic hanging capability. ;) The defensive robot doesn't have to stop both offensive robots. Just one of them. They only need to slow the offensive alliance down enough so that their partner can outscore them. John |
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John,
Let me ask you this: did 494 completely shut down 45? No. And that was when they were only worrying about one robot. Chances are that 494 (or the defensive robot of your choice) will only slow down one of the offensive robots. If you don't like the 33 & 45 matching, how about 45 & 60? 60 and 45 doing all offense while 494 is trying to stop them. When 494 goes to hang so does 60, leaving 45 to cap. If 494 does the defense thing on the stationary, then 60 will defense the defense leaving 45 to cap. The bottom line is that 494 had to stop 45 from capping, because they could not stop them from getting enough small balls (11 - 13). Add another robot that concentrates, let's say, on the movable goal and caps it. The defensive robot doesn't have a prayer. I am not saying defense doesn't play a part, but 2 robots that PRIMARILY play offense (2 fingers) will beat the finger and the thumb. Back to the point: Our bet was that a POLE DOMINATOR paired with an offense oriented robot would win. That did not happen. The fact that a defensive robot on the floor is now called a thumb is beyond the scope of the original definition. However, given this new definition I still say 2 fingers will beat a finger and the "new" thumb. |
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Hey Andy,
Welcome to the debate. I'm glad there is someone on my side of the argument. I thought I was all alone. A little history: Ken and I were on the MidWest team for the game design committee this year (we had no idea what the game was, we just came up with our ideal game and submitted it along with rules, etc.). Our big discussion was designing a game that a finger and a thumb could not dominate (the nomenclature came from Verbrugge .. picture a thumb squeezing the life out of the game). We felt that the 2003 game could be dominated by a finger and a thumb and wanted to avoid that at all costs. It came as no surprise when the game was revealed Ken and I started debating if the thumb could dominate. His idea was that a bar dominator, aka thumb, along with a good offensive robot would win it all. The story grows from there, but that is how it all started. |
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