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Greg Perkins -
From what i could tell from my vantage point, they hooked on your angled supports with their hook for hanging. When they tried to free themselves, they dragged you over on your side. As they were valiantly trying to freethemselves I believe they damaged more of themselves than you MOE.
~ Greg

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Oh boy...that was one heck of a day.

We start off unloading the robot and tools at about 8:00. And wait a minute...oops. I guess we forgot our OI. Thanks to the Tigertrons(222) for sharing theirs with us for the morning. And also thanks to Pat, on of our mentors, who turned around 1/2 way into a 3 hour drive to go get them and then drive all the way back up to PARC.

I think we ran on one motor drive for 4 of our 6 matches, and were still able to cap the stationary goal in most of them...

Two bosch motors later, thanks to Chuck (84) for picking us and 1302 for being a great alliance partner. Sorry we let you guys down. When we went to go grab the 2x ball out of the mobile goal there, the 1/2" steel shaft we have the arm on just sheared clean. The arm collapsed and got tangeled up in the rest of the robot.

But, despite all of the things that went wrong, I had a good time. Thanks to 222 for hosting another great event.

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That was a great competition. It was my first time driving for the team. Got my first dose of real competition, and boy is it tough out there to concentrate and to be absolutely chill. I dunno how the rest of you guys do it.

I drove our first and only match in eliminations, and when it came time to hang, i just couldn't get up to the second platform. I've been able to do it tons of times in the pat, just not this time, when it really counted. :(

This was a really great experience. Thanks for hold PARC, I think we'll be back next year.

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Congractulations to all the winning alliance, and to all those attended. This was a simply awesome event, and went extremely well. Thanks 222 for hosting this. On another note, apologies to those whose robots we caused damage etc., it was totally unintentional. We try to be as gentle on the controls as we can, but sometimes its just uncontrolable.

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A little additional to add to this- the round has been eating at me all night too,

In the earlier round where our machine was trying to hang with Miss Daisy and the two hanging robots got entangled our arm's electrical system somehow got crimped, shorted out and melted the entire lead system. As a result we only had two ranges of motion- vertical twist and the shoulder lift arc- no elbow to close the angle joint. And with time flying between rounds we made the decision to leave the immobile joint as an L and try to use it to uncap the goals and the base to run interference as much as possible. It may have appeared that we were playing with a "weapon of death" but that really wasn't the intention. Frankly, it never occurred to us until later that a few zip ties across the hook would make it "weedless"
Anyway, in the aforementioned round, the robots came out and our machine got into the fray with Gizmoe over the rolling goal and big ball. In the excitement that hook just angled into an edge of the frame and when the EM moved, Gizmoe landed on top of it, mangling the hook inextricably from the mass. Invisible from the driver station, the drivers tried all manner of turning and pulling but the machines wouldn't separate.
I'm (we're) sorry if this was misunderstood as an effort to destroy other robots or anything unsportsmanlike. It was simply an attempt of a team with a grossly damaged robot to stay in the game and do the best they could with what was left of their machine. With only a drive base and a broken arm there really wasn't much more a team could do except push balls and run interference.

In any case, our apologies to 365 and any others we angered. Hopefully we can leave any bad feelings on the field and move on. I know my guys love the Miracle Workers team and wouldn't deliberately do anything to hurt them.

WC

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To team 25: Miss Daisy certainly did not mean to harm your bot in anyway and you guys were really understanding and nice about it. The nice part of the story is that 25 and 341 were paired together in the next round and Miss Daisy hung (with a little tomahawk action by myself if I may add :) ) while 25 did a fantastic job playing defense and pushing balls back to the human players. This is what FIRST is all about, competitors one match and a winning pair the next match. Kudos to Team 25.

The whole experience was incredible as things ran very smoothly. For Miss Daisy, who knew that a new joystick and a new hook would be 2 of the huge keys to our success as well as some great driving by a lot of people. I can't wait for PARC 2005!

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Wayne...no hard feelings from me towards 25. Vince(cocothemonkey) have been in the situation a few times this year, with the robot basicly out of sight on the other side of the field, and just trying to uncap a goal, or accomplish a task, getting tangled up with another robot in the process. After about 30 seconds of "OMG what are they doing" behind the drivers station, and a little time to cool down, I remembered that your drivers couldnt see what I could. I think everyone understands what went on, and we appreciate your appology. No hard feelings.

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In reference to the sheared shaft that pretty much put us out of commission... I should have a photo up momentarily... along with ~25 other photos from the event.... and not just MOE photos either.

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As to team 25.... I too now understand your point of view and will hold NO grudge...

But I DO want you to know that I...

(As in "me", the 2 years as a student, 2 as a college mentor/returning alumni... also as in "I am not speaking for the team at this point")

… Pondered for a LONG TIME on the ride home (and after) the "sportsmanship" and "gracious professionalism" (or lack of) demonstrated by your drive team when they rammed repetitively into other robots... when the other robots…

(And I am not just alluding to any matches between 25 and GizMOE here… ) [I understood then that you were just trying to get untangled in that match.]

… were not even in possession of a mobile goal or 2x ball at the time.

I guess I was baffled if the aggressive and physical driving done by your drive team yesterday fit in with FIRST’s ideas of “Gracious Professionalism” and making your grandmother’s proud… even if it is in the heat of competition…

But that was yesterday… and it’s not like anything anyone does or says now can change the past.

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I also understand your side a bit more, knowing what your specific robot damages were... and the reason for your "weapon of death" as you called it.

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Thanks also has to go out to all our volunteers from other teams. On our reffing crew, I must thank Aidan, Erin, Greg, Rob, and Sarah. On field reset, I'm not sure who all helped, but I know Andrea was helping all day, and at the scoring table was Paul. Thanks to all these people for helping our event run so smoothly....oh wait one more person, Jim, the MC can't forget Jim :yikes: ...Thanks to all the teams who make PARC sucha great competition every year!

Cliff
222 Alum.

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The matter has been discussed and hopefully dealt with. As I told them- blocking and pushing is one thing, ramming another. They are rookies and need to learn.
WC

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What happened is done with, we made mistakes, they couldve been prevented, but it was the heat of the moment. None of the hitting was meant to cause damage or tipping of the robot. when we were dqd for tipping 222, we were preventing them from hanging and if im not mistaken they were going for/had a 2x ball, we were NOT trying to harm them in any way. 225 was going to hang, so we tried to block and tipped them by accident, so i state again, we were not trying to harm them.

If any of these incidents truely hurt you, i am deeply sorry, they were not meant to harm others, only to protect the chances of success. If there is anything we can do to make it up, please do not hesitate to tell me/the rest of the team. We will do whatever we can to clear this incident up.

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Team 25 don't sweat the small stuff. Teams know who you are, how you are, and how things happen out there on the field...you've apologized numerous times. I know I for one respect your manner in handling what happend by the apologies and all gracious professionals prolly will. So just let things be. You're a great competitive team!

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I don't know if I'm speaking for my entire team or not (I think I am) but....
Everyone makes mistakes....In the heat of the moment things happen....
I know, I was there once.

The driving team I was a part of was known to be quite aggressive sometimes. Won't mention any names....Cliff ;)
While I feel that the refs made the right call...I spoke with 25's driver after the match and complimented him on his driving skills. (Also suggested he might want to consider BattleBots :p )

Anyway -- No hard feelings from me -- I was remembering the "King Of The Hill" match last year at PARC when we tipped you guys over. I guess this could be considered payback. :)

- Charlie - Team #222 - Tigertrons

P.S. PARC pics should be up soon

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Char, now that you say that......I guess I can call it even with 25. That is the nature of evil machine1.2 :)

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I hope i did not upset anyone with my post earlier... but as i said... i hold no ill-will towards 25... You are a great team... always noticeable (especially with the yellow and pink hawaiian shirts this year)... and always fast around the field (much to the dismay of many steralite bins last year)...

I just felt the need to share my opinion, if not for just a need to write it out to organize my own thoughts, then for a possible use as constructive criticism to prevent over agressiveness, when a team is truely overagressive w/out reason.

Hope to see you at the Duel.

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Also.... I finally finished posting the better of the PARC pictures i have...
in the middle of a thunderstorm non-the-less.... i am going to post this and shut-down my computer before it electrocutes me or something.

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