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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11

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Originally Posted by Nastay

I just saw the movie last night at 10pm, it was s disturbing movie to say the least. its disturbing in the fact that so much of the population fell for the stuff that was being fed to us, myself included. With the technologies that we have today there is no reason at all that there is any question about what was in Iraq, thats why i bought in. Think about it, in the 60s during the Cuban Missile Crisis we were able to tell if the soldier standing next to a missile was Russian or Cuban, over 40 YEARS ago we could tell that! The classified technologies that the govt. has at its disposal leave absolutely no room for this scale of a mistake. The only think that i learned from the movie was all of the connections between the bush family and the Bin ladens, you wonder why there is so much focus on Iraq and Sadam, rather than Afghanistan and Osama, the one actually behind it all. Fahrenheit 9/11 just amplified my hatred toward B..bush.
I am ashamed to have him as our president, but sadly i cannot vote for 2 more years, so can't vote against him.
You too should be ashamed to have this disgrace as the President of our Nation. Clinton has an affair with a woman, and comes close to being kicked out, bush sends hundreds of troops into an unnecessary war, fails to find bin laden or clean up Afghanistan before he enters Iraq because of WMD that he knew $@#$@#$@#$@# well weren't there, and what happens to him? The whole thing angers me beyond belief, so before i break something i am done.

I totally agree with you. And the American public was lied to by the Bush administration. We were told that there were many "Weapons of Mass Destruction" (Let me remind you that the US has more than any other country), and that there were "Winnebagos of Death" (mobile chemical weapons labs) and that Saddam posed a direct threat the the US. It would be impossible for Saddam to have attacked the United States. Yet many people believed in what they were told, my mother and sister are two of them. Now, they feel cheated that they were lied to by our administration. Sure, pretty much the only big stain on the Clinton administration is his affair. Let me tell you, many Presidents and leaders, including Thomas Jefferson, JFK, and even Warren G. Harding had affairs with women in the White House, and they certainly weren't impeached over it. If the biggest problem you can find with a man is a personal mistake, then that's not much of an argument.

Re: Fahrenheit 9/11

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Originally Posted by HHSJosh

Sure, pretty much the only big stain on the Clinton administration is his affair. Let me tell you, many Presidents and leaders, including Thomas Jefferson, JFK, and even Warren G. Harding had affairs with women in the White House, and they certainly weren't impeached over it. If the biggest problem you can find with a man is a personal mistake, then that's not much of an argument.

Correction, he wasn't impeached for having an affair, he was being investigated for the afair and was impeached for lying under oath...which if you or I would do that in a case, you or I would go to jail for a long time.

Re: Fahrenheit 9/11

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Originally Posted by Nastay
I just saw the movie last night at 10pm, it was s disturbing movie to say the least. its disturbing in the fact that so much of the population fell for the stuff that was being fed to us, myself included. With the technologies that we have today there is no reason at all that there is any question about what was in Iraq, thats why i bought in. Think about it, in the 60s during the Cuban Missile Crisis we were able to tell if the soldier standing next to a missile was Russian or Cuban, over 40 YEARS ago we could tell that! The classified technologies that the govt. has at its disposal leave absolutely no room for this scale of a mistake. The only think that i learned from the movie was all of the connections between the bush family and the Bin ladens, you wonder why there is so much focus on Iraq and Sadam, rather than Afghanistan and Osama, the one actually behind it all. Fahrenheit 9/11 just amplified my hatred toward B..bush.
I am ashamed to have him as our president, but sadly i cannot vote for 2 more years, so can't vote against him.
You too should be ashamed to have this disgrace as the President of our Nation. Clinton has an affair with a woman, and comes close to being kicked out, bush sends hundreds of troops into an unnecessary war, fails to find bin laden or clean up Afghanistan before he enters Iraq because of WMD that he knew $@#$@#$@#$@# well weren't there, and what happens to him? The whole thing angers me beyond belief, so before i break something i am done.

Im saying this as a nerd and based on what I know. Technology is not infallible. If you think that we can solely rely on spy satelites you are mistaken. It's probably the exact opposite of what you are saying that went on. We can take a picture of one area and then we would have to wait a long time for another opportunity to take a picture of the same exact area. Long enough for people to move about. I think a perfect example would be what was shown in Iran recently. Two pictures from public sattelites of the same area. The after picture looked like the building was destroyed. Aparently, they burried the whole building. So it's fairly easy to hide anything if you really want to. We rely too much on spy satelites and do not have enough spies on the ground. Also, a lot of the technologies that you think are classified aren't anymore. I could probably buy a picture of my house from sattelites if I wanted too. It's really neat stuff and in fairly high resolution. They had a seminar at Nationals about this technolgy.

Re: Fahrenheit 9/11

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Originally Posted by Adam Y.

Actually, during the Cuban Missle Crisis, U2 planes were used. Such spy planes would work much better than sattelites that aren't in geosynchronous (sp?) orbit over an exact spot.

Re: Fahrenheit 9/11

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Actually, during the Cuban Missle Crisis, U2 planes were used. Such spy planes would work much better than sattelites that aren't in geosynchronous (sp?) orbit over an exact spot.

Ahhh.... Thanks for pointing that out. Though I really don't think the sattelites are in a geosynchronous orbit. I just checked and they would have to be in line with the equator. Intelligence encompases all feilds. I know the CIA was trying to recruit new engineers from the competition. Then again I shudder at the thought of dealing with any sensitive information.

Re: Fahrenheit 9/11

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Originally Posted by Adam Y.

Yeah, i don't know if I worded my previous post correctly, but I meant to say that I also didn't think that they spy sattelites were in geosynchronous orbit, but the U2 would most likely be better than those anyways.

Re: Fahrenheit 9/11

I predicted before this movie came out that Michael Moore would make the following statement... guess he has now:

http://www.sundayherald.com/43167

[edit] Note to those who think this is legal: it's not. [/edit]

Re: Fahrenheit 9/11

I'm always late to the party, but I finally had an opportunity to see this film.

I didn't like it one bit. I felt it manipulative and irresponsible and, while it's no secret that I'm pretty intensely liberal, I believe that this movie represents so much of what is problematic about the political processes in this country and our participation in such processes.

Surprised? I was, too.

...someone might care, I thought.

Re: Fahrenheit 9/11

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Originally Posted by HHSJosh

...spy sattelites were in geosynchronous orbit, but the U2 would most likely be better than those anyways.

Off topic, but only briefly: geosynchronous orbits are high orbits--the satellite wouldn't be able to see anything of value from about 40 000 km (where it needs to be to maintain that orbit). Also, geosynchronous orbits have the same rotational period as the Earth; only geostationary orbits need to circle the equator as well (also with the same rotational period).

I ought to eventually see that movie. Maybe I'll find a downloaded copy somewhere....

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Fahrenheit 9/11 was a sad attempt at a movie. I had higher hopes for it. I loved Bowling for Columbine, but this movie, had no direction, no real meaning, and falsities. I expected more...