Re: DIV Tags in Mozilla
 

Jonathan Lall and I explained it earlier in the post. HTML is simply not intended to be used for controlling the display of content. <b> has no meaning other than bold. What does bold mean to a blind person? Nothing. It isn't really a noticeable change on the designeers side, but for people not using desktop browsers, it is a noticeable change. Now that I think about it, another benefit will likely be better search engines...

Re: DIV Tags in Mozilla
 

this is just what i read, (i dont do much web creation myself, i just like to know how to), but instead of using something like <strong></strong> tags, you should use a <div style="font-weight:bold"></div>.

Re: DIV Tags in Mozilla
 

THey are considered not "general" enough. THe W3C is trying to make it so that the same message will be communicated no matter how the web page is accessed; phone, modern graphical browser, reader (IE for blind), text browser, etc.

Re: DIV Tags in Mozilla
 

I'm not sure about Italics and Bold tags, I still use them (sparingly).

I wish I had seen this thread earlier, as I would have joined the "tables aren't for tabular data" camp.
Plus I don't get the whole deal about "divs not rendering as easily as tables". My website uses all div's (Austin.homeunix.net) and it renders consistently in Moz. and IE. :D

Personally it's much easier for me to use Divisions as opposed to tables. Plus divs integerate better with Style Sheets. (At least it seems that way to me...)
Had to put my two cents in. :rolleyes:

Re: DIV Tags in Mozilla
 

Oh hey Ryan, nice to see a fellow team member in this thread. :)

Re: DIV Tags in Mozilla
 

Put a &nbsp tag in <div's> that do not have hany content within them.

ex:

before: <div style="woot"></div>
after: <div style="woot">&nbsp</div>

The reason why you need to do this is because Mozilla ignores div tags that do not have content in it.

Personally, I dont see anything wrong with using <b>, <i>, <u> tags etc... I find it simpler to do so. I'd like to know why the w3c is making me write longer css style to do the same thing. However, the drawback for using such tags like <strong>, <big> etc. are that they do not look the same between browsers.

Re: DIV Tags in Mozilla
 

Oh man, you just fixed about a billion problems for me.

Re: DIV Tags in Mozilla
 

This is not 100% accurate but it does pretty much sum up the behaviour that the more W3C-complaint browsers exhibit. A <div> by itself is absolutely nothing semantically and also shouldn't have any associated presentational features to go along. Loosely, one can say no HTML element should.

They aren't supposed to. Again I think you may be missing the point of structure and sematics versus presentation. HTML is not for presentation; that's why CSS exists. To instruct a browser to make a piece of text bold, green, and scroll sideways with elements is just not the way HTML was meant to be used. But tags like <b>, <green> (and many variations thereof), and <marquee> all exist in bad HTML anyway.