Please Help Me Revive my Apple IIC+
 

Hey Everyone,

I was cleaning out my garage today and found my long lost Apple IIC+. I tried it out and it appears to be functioning just fine. The only problem is that I have no disks for it, they were all lost or discrarded over the years. I searched Google and found several "disk images" but I have no idea how to use them. It is all very confusing to me. Please don't link me to a help file or page , I've read them all and still don't understand. I need someone who does understand to explain it to me.

Is there any way whatsoever to make program/game disks for the IIC+ with modern 3.5 floppies? If possible, I'd like to create them from a PC but I have access to an iMac if that would work.

My experience with the Apple IIC+ and all Macinotsh computers was many years ago so I hardly remember how to do much of anything.

Thanks in advance for your help in keeping this piece of electronics history alive.

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Sanddrag, I'm not sure if you've looked here but have you considered Ebay?
I found quite a bit of stuff for sale for the IIC and the great thing about an ancient.......I mean classic :p .......computer like this is it's very cheap.

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I have searched eBay and haven't found much. See, my IIC+ has a 3.5 floppy drive and all the disks on eBay are 5.25. I did find one disk in my house that was the program II Write and it works great but that's all I've got. :( Can anyone help me with my original question?

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I'm not sure what format you found the images in, but a program I have used in the past to write floppy disk images is winimage (http://www.winimage.com/). Good luck!

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http://web.pdx.edu/~heiss/index.html

Try this site. The guy seems like he might know or at least have a better clue.

Or possibly better yet http://www.a2central.com

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You will need an old mac with OS 8.6 or before to create disk that can be read by an Apple II. An Apple II uses a file system called ProDOS. Only a beige G3 or a computer before can read these disk, and make a copy of them. As for games you might want to consider http://mac.the-underdogs.org/ for some abdonware titles, with the Apple II it should all be abdonware.

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Well, I've got one but it is a Mac Classic with System 6 so it obhviously does not go online. Any way I can get the files from online to the Classic through use of other hardware?

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The only way I can think of this working is that you upgrade your Classic to the Mac 7.5 by downloading it here format it PC, put the floppy on your windows, put it back on your mac format it prodos, then you should be able to play it.

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I'm not sure exactly how to put the .bin disk image on a floppy correctly on a PC. On a Mac, they say to use Disk Copy but will Windows Disk Copy on PC work. I thought that PC floppy drives physically write the floppy in a different manner than Mac drives. Is this true?

Also, aside from the Apple II say I want to upgrade the classic from 6.x to 7.5. Will I lose programs? Will 7.5 even run on a Classic?

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slightly off-topic, but you wouldn't like to add an apple IIE to that collection as well, would you? ;)

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Opps I forgot that you don't have access to make a Mac Floppy, ok that plan won't work.

In system 7.5 you can mount, read and write to MS-DOS (FAT) floppies, it was a big thing back then.

According to this a classic can use up to 7.5.5, but there might be a RAM issue.

So it doesn't looks like you have any options.

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Say I could get 7.5 on floppies. Could I upgrade without losing anything?

Wow, I love old Apple computers. At first I got into them because of the nostalgia - they were all I knew or used back in elementary school. It brings back memories. But now that I have messed around with them, I've discovered just how much they can do with so little resources. Gone forever are the days when programs were written so efficiently. Seriously, that Mac Classic can load and use every program on it just as fast and as well as comparable programs on a 1-3 year old PC. And it never crashes and it works like they day it was new. Have you ever consistently seen PCs that keep working over 13 years!?!? I encounter superbly functioning Macs at least 6 years old every day. :) I am/was a PC guy but perhaps I am being converted :ahh:

This post goes out to Beach Cities Robotics. It is my post # 2294

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Yeah, upgrading it will not loose any of your data. Just insert the disk and let the installer do the rest.

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My family has a functional Mac XL (read: "Lisa") in our basement. That's what, 21 years old? :D

Good, the world needs more converts! :cool: *cough*

MrToast

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By any chance will it get rid of FoolProof Security? Please Please Please Please I'm not trying to hack it, the unit was given to me by a school and the password to unlock it is gone. Please don't post any hacking, cracking tips. That is not who I am. For FoolProof, well, at least the unit is "clean" - no unnecessary files.

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I don't know anything about FoolProof Security. But if it was System 6.0, it shouldn't that hard to remove. Here is some tricks that you might want to try.

Try booting up from the disk and removing it from the extensions or wherever it is.

If you can't do that then hold the shift key on startup, and this will disable any extensions, then remove it from the extensions folder.

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No one believes you are trying to break in to such an old system for nefarious reasons, it’s too easy to bypass on OS 6 anyway as Kyle noted.

There was third-party s/w that would r/w PC format disks under OS 6. I have a stack of IIc Macs in the attic. I find it hard to throw away working computers. I probably have lots of games too come to think of it, but I’m sure there are more games still available on-line.

If you install OS 7.5.x boot from a basic OS on a floppy first and rename the system folder for a clean install. If you have existing third-party s/w you want to recover later you’ll need the old OS 6 Extensions folder.

Make sure your IIc reads modern floppies. Some of the older systems used a 785Kb(?) floppy, so if you have an old floppy drive you’ll also need to locate old floppies.

Another alternative to the floppies is to locate an Ethernet card for the IIc. OS 7.5.x supports TCP/IP as well as AppleTalk, but you’d still need software to share files with a PC.

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Coupla things.

As far as FoolProof, you can bypass it by doing a clean wipe of the hard drive and reinstall, at least I know you can do that with newer versions. I had to force one on a school machine for a teacher who lost her admin password to it...

As far as the Apple IIc stuff, if you want, I have access to many internet-capable older macs that I can make floppies on and mail them to ya... I don't know how feasible any of this is, but let me know.... :)

Always glad to see old technology continue to work :)

EDIT: The IIc will use Double Density (800kb) floppies, which completely rules out the option of doing it on a PC IIRC. I know that PCs see mac DD disks differently, I assume this probably carries over to ProDOS.

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I just saw this piece of software here that says it emulates the Apple II.