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Hey everyone,
You may a noticed a few recent threads of mine relating to my Macintosh Classic that I saved from the landfill. Well, thanks in part to your help, it is now alive more than ever before. It now serves an HTML document and a GIF image on the WWW. Check it out at www.classicserver.net and tell me what you think! (Please don't everyone hit it at once) If you get an error, try back a little later. It can only handle so many connections at a time. Afterall, it was made before there even WAS an internet. :)
-sanddrag

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I'm glad you got it all set up and "modernized" :D

As for checking out the site, FireFox says that the server cannot be found. I'll try it in the morning though at school, and see what happens.

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I'm using Firefox 1.0PR and it loaded fine for me!!

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It works fine for me now to :)

Problem was that the link was wrong (sanddrag changed it at 8:04, I posted at 8:02).

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Nice to know you got it all working. Congrats!

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ahhhhhhh what a beast

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I had so much fun with this project, I decided to make 2 more. An SE FDHD and an SE/30. I'll let you know when they are done. :)

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This is really cool...

The picture on the page makes all the difference.

Keep up the good work!

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After lots of hard drive trouble, I finally got the SE up and running. Check it out here.

The SE/30 is all done and working, I'm just don't have it turned on. But, I tried it out and man is it fast compared to the others.

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Nice job sanddrag. :)

I like that you also included a photo of the Macs in addition to the specs. Looking at the photos it reminds me of the computers we had back when I was in elementry school!

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^What he said.

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Very, very cool. Next, I want to see you make it all run on a Lisa!

Then you can load up Panther and watch the little CPU heat up and turn into a pile of slag when it tries to run Quartz Extreme! :ahh: (okay, you really can't, but it is fun to dream...)

-dave

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Over the winter break I was going to experiment with a mail server program on an SE/30. I wanted FTP on my machines but I just haven't found anything good. There is NetPresenz but I don't like the way it functions, it does not seem as secure as MacHTTP.

What is really cool is browsing web sites on the old Macs. There aren't too many that will work but surprisingly Google searches do. Unfortunatley, it is nearly impossible to view images on web pages with the 68000 processor Macs. But I bet my SE/30 16Mhz 68030 with 16mb of RAM could run an early version of Netscape which would be more compatible with today's web and would be able to display images.

On a side note I dug up a "Welcome to the Macintosh SE" tutorial floppy disk today. I popped it in and it was so funny. It teaches how to move the mouse. It actually shows a little animation that if you slide it along the table, the cursor moves but when you lift it off the table the cursor does not. Then it shows how to click, and then it teaches you how to click and drag. The really funny part is that after booting from this disk, you must be able to perform these three tasks (pointing, clicking, dragging) before you can do anything else. It will not let you exit the tutorial, and there is no way to get the floppy out because it is electronic eject. (unless you use a paperclip).

Also, it goes on to explain the desktop making an analogy to a real desk. Then it explains what icons are and how to open files and resize windows and make folders and soforth.

I believe the Macintosh was the first computer with a mouse, and the Mac SE was a lot of people's first computer. The tutorial seems absurdly basic today but back then the mouse and desktop and icons were such new concepts.

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It has been too long to edit my post so I have to make another post. I was able to get Eudora Internet Mail Server running on the SE/30. I don't have it all hooked up and turned on right now but it worked great in my home network. I was able to make an account and I put it in Outlook express on my PC and it worked great. I don't think I'll be able to run it on the internet on my cable modem at home, because I have only one IP for the modem. I have multiple machines and a router which forwards different ports to different local IPs within my home LAN. I think for e-mail to work properly on the internet, the actual server must have its own global IP. Anyway, it is cool to know it works.

An even cooler thing was that I installed Netscape 1.12 which is able to view more sites than MacWeb and it shows images! I can navigate the FIRST site pretty well on this machine. Also, it is much faster than MacWeb on my 68000 processor machines. It is so much fun to browse the web in black and white on an 8" screen (and through a SCSI adapter). :)

For some reason, I can't view some sites (seems like ones hosted on a CPanel server) like ChiefDelphi. I get an error like "there is no website configured at this address" Any ideas what causes this Brandon? (I'm sure it doesn't really matter though since I'm the only person in the world trying to access ChiefDelphi on a Macintosh SE/30 with Netscape 1.12 :D)

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Nah. Just forward port 25, I think! It works for me.

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Have you set up a MX record for your mail server? If not, you will probably need to. That way the world know where to find your mail server.

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I believe outgoing is 25 and incoming is 110. Anyway, if I forward port 110 on my router to that machine (the Mac SE/30 mail server), what will happen when I check a (totally different) e-mail account say from Outlook express on my PC. If the mail is coming through that port, will it just get forwarded to the SE/30 and not to my PC which made the request?

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It's been a while since I mucked with my mailserver, but I'm pretty sure all mailserver-to-mailserver transfer happens on port 25 using SMTP. That should let you send email through your server from any computer on the web and it should also allow the server to get email (but you'll only be able to get the email from the server on the LAN). If you forward port 110 to your server, for POP3 access, you'll be able to check it from anywhere. That won't affect your other email accounts since you'll be the client connecting to someone else's mailserver.

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A lot of sites today depend on Host Header Names, a feature of HTTP/1.1. Most late HTTP/1.0 browsers could also work with host header names, so it isn't much of an issue today. When a browser uses this feature, it asks a webserver, "Can you give me http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/usercp.php?". This means that one server can host www.chiefdelphi.com, www.firstwiki.org, and www.whitehouse.gov, all without any port-forwarding trickery.

However Netscape 1.12 seems to be an old browser (real surprise there) and it seems to be not sending Host Header Names. In this scenario, the webbrowser is asking the server "Can you send me /forums/usercp.php?". In this scenario, the server doesn't know which site to serve the file from, so it jumps to the default one. In this case, www.chiefdelphi.com is not the default site here, and so you can't see.

Maybe get a better browser? =)

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I've gotten everything to work just fine except this. When I send mail to the account on the mail server, I cannot receive it. The server has the message, and with Outlook express on my PC the POP3 account logs in just fine, but it doesn't download any messages. This is Eudora Internet Mail Server (EIMS). Any ideas? Since everything in my house shares the global IP of my cable modem, I can only set outlook express to the local IP of the mailserver, this isn't causing the problem is it?

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My setup is similar to yours. I have port 25 open on the Internet interface on my server. On the local interface, I have port 110 and 25 open.

I configured Thunderbird to connect to the local IP of my mailserver (192.168.0.1) and use that as the SMTP server as well. The only difference I have is that I use the ArGosoft Free Email server. And I did this all without an MX record.

How? The MX record specifies the Mail eXchanger for a specific domain. In my case (and most hobby-ist ones), the mail server and the primary Internet-facing host are the same system, leading to only one record, and A record, being necessary.

One thing you might want to try is to look on the disk, in the Eudora Mail Server directories. Often there is a directory called "Inbox" or "Spool". If you can see email files in there, you know that you actually got the email.

Another thing you might want to try. There is a free SMTP server called Postcast. It doesn't have any POP3/IMAP support. Instead, it just drops all inbound and outbound email in one file and in a window onscreen. It is good for just testing if email works.

Good luck.

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I tried a different version of EIMS and that isn't it, same problem. I think I have found the problem however. When the server starts, it sees that its IP is 10.0.0.X The problem is, I think the server thinks this IP is its global IP. Then it goes to do a DNS lookup on its IP, and obviously does not find anything. So it gives a "no dns" error, but continues running. So, when I send a message to for example accountATclassicserverDOTnet, the server gets the message, and then tries to send (relay?) it on to classicserver.net because the mail server is unaware that IT IS classicserver.net

Does this sound probable?

Maybe the machine needs its own global IP so it knows the domain associated with its IP?

I have set the server name to classicserver.net, but that didn't seem to do anything.

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WhooEEE, I don't know what I did but IT WORKS! IT WORKS! IT WORKS! It is so ____ing awesome!

Macintosh SE/30 - $40
Asante SCSI>Ethernet Adapter - $15
Having an e-mail account on a 14 year old computer - Priceless!

/me does happy dance to the tune of Usher - Yeah