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Alex Golec 05-12-2004 20:58
Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??
 
Another interesting foretelling coincidence is Michigan's local OCCRA competition, which is in the fall. OCCRA '03 had mobile goals, balls, and the 'power ball' (basically a large green ball to cap the goals with), much like 2004 FIRST. This year's OCCRA used field components called tubies- 3 half-foot lenghts of 3'ID PVC bolted together into a triangular prism, and a ramp with holes in it. Gotta love coincidence.

_Alex

Billfred 05-12-2004 21:15
Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karthik1
Wow this is the first guess I can actually agree with, it makes perfect sense, a sloped field. The whole game would be played fighting against gravity. It would be a very interesting game. I this were the case, we probably wouldn't have balls to gather because well they would all end up in the middle of the field, we wouldn't have to work to gather them, all we would have to do is go the center and pick them up. So if the field is like a V then I predict that there will be no balls, or circular objects.

I hope we move on to something different, I mean there are lots of interesting objects out there, besides balls. After all this whole first experience is about experiencing new things, so shouldn't our robot experience new things.
V-shaped field? BRING IT ON!

Finally, us R/C truck racers will bring something to the table. If there's a true V in that field (and not a U), then we're looking at some hardcore suspension design. Very few robots I saw last year could drive to the other side of such a field.

And keep the balls. Even if they're all in one place, there was no robot I saw last year that could easily be adapted easily for the odd angles and greater chance of riding up on the balls. A scooping mechanism would have to be more advanced than this year.

So I think we'd be in for good times if that were the challenge.

RbtGal1351 05-12-2004 21:27
Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??
 
that would be cool!
besides, no body would ever expect something like that, so all the teams would have to redesign any drive trains they had "pre-designed", and you couldnt re-use last years either. and here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=32
Quote:
This is the best reason yet to change (reduce) the weight restriction on FIRST robots for next year. Veteran teams have become complacent about this issue. Many of them start designing some of their subsystems in the fall, working under the assumption that the weight limit will be 130 pounds. They then have (yet another) leg up on the rookie teams and others that wait until the kick-off to really start planning out their machine.
*Prepares herself for a V-shaped field*
~Stephanie

Levin571 05-12-2004 21:57
Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RbtGal1351
that would be cool!
besides, no body would ever expect something like that, so all the teams would have to redesign any drive trains they had "pre-designed", and you couldnt re-use last years either. and here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=32


*Prepares herself for a V-shaped field*
~Stephanie
I think Dave is just trying to buy time by sending us on a wild goose chase till the real clue comes out. Tricky Tricky!

Dave Dave Dave when will you learn.



Silly Lavery trix are for kids (couldn't resist:D)

JVN 05-12-2004 22:35
Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pakrat
most recent thing: John V Neun has 4 (theres that magic number again) posts in this thread)
Ut oh!
How many do I have NOW!?!?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Lobovsky
Quote:
Originally Posted by JVN
...and we pushed our robots uphill to the field. Both ways! And we didn't have any of those fancy motorized carts!

I cannot believe no one mentioned this. A field sloping down towards the middle? Perhaps Mr. Lavery is referring to JVN. Actually, the missing V may be indicating the V-shaped cross section of the field.
You didn't notice the "no motors" reference? :ahh:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex469

So every two years there's a change to something in the format. Anyone up for the revival of the hexagon field?
FIRST follows absolutely no patterns. There is no method to their madness.
Nothing but CHAOS.

Wetzel 05-12-2004 22:46
Why isn't this in the rumor mill yet?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JVN
Ut oh!
FIRST follows absolutely no patterns. There is no method to their madness.
Nothing but CHAOS.
CHAOS is 131....1+3=4!
and then 4+1=5!

I'm onto your games Mr. JVN.


Wetzel

Steve W 05-12-2004 22:48
Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karthik1
Wow this is the first guess I can actually agree with, it makes perfect sense, a sloped field. The whole game would be played fighting against gravity. It would be a very interesting game.
It would because if you were defending your goal you would be going with gravity giving you the advantage. EG Stack Attack.

JVN 05-12-2004 22:49
Re: Why isn't this in the rumor mill yet?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetzel
CHAOS is 131....
Jeff,
Remember, chaos is entropy and Entropy is 138.

John

JeffO 05-12-2004 22:49
Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??
 
I like the idea of a v-shaped sloping field, but that would make it very difficult for teams to build low cost practice fields, so I don't think FIRST would go in that direction.

Wetzel 05-12-2004 22:52
Why is this still not in the rumor mill?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JVN
Jeff,
Remember, chaos is entropy and Entropy is 138.

John
And entropy is energy. FIRST=energy, that had been obvious for a long time.

1+3=4
8-4=4!

The answer is 4!


Wetzel :)

Max Lobovsky 05-12-2004 23:01
Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffO
I like the idea of a v-shaped sloping field, but that would make it very difficult for teams to build low cost practice fields, so I don't think FIRST would go in that direction.
In addition, it would be hard to adapt the current field perimeter walls to a V shaped field. Unless, of course, only part of the field is a "V" (like Stack Attack inverted). Personally, I hope, and believe, that it will not be a V because of the difficulty that introduces into autonomous operation. I think FIRST is, and should, be headed towards increased importance of autonomous control, and will adapt the game to this goal.

tkwetzel 05-12-2004 23:10
Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Lobovsky
In addition, it would be hard to adapt the current field perimeter walls to a V shaped field. Unless, of course, only part of the field is a "V" (like Stack Attack inverted). Personally, I hope, and believe, that it will not be a V because of the difficulty that introduces into autonomous operation. I think FIRST is, and should, be headed towards increased importance of autonomous control, and will adapt the game to this goal.
I think that to make the top of the "v" start at the bottom of the plexiglass on the current player station walls and have them slope downwards to meet the other slope at the floor level in the center wouldn't be too hard or too exspensive (if they don't use exspensive materials to create it). They could also add a flat part at each end of the field (at the top of the slopes) to make the slope steeper or to have a spot to put something so it would not automatically roll to the middle. It is very doable, but I doubt that we will see a field in such a manner in this year's game.

Steve W 05-12-2004 23:17
Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??
 
Who says that they have to slope to the center between the ends. Maybe the high point runs between alliance partners from red to blue end. Or they could also slope into the center between alliance partners from red to blue. :eek:

meaubry 06-12-2004 07:58
Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??
 
From Dave's 4 posts of the day -
1) no alliances (1 on 1 on 1 on 1 on 1) 5 or V at a time
2) hint about a Beatles song - Dave liked last years Stairway hint (Pete Best was suppose to be the mysterious 5th Beatle) Penny Lane - lane might work, Yellow Submarine (water - nope), Strawberry Fields - fields, theres just too many!
3) game piece something that a juggler would use (bowling pin, bowling ball, chain saw (nah))
4) inverted v shaped field - ramps on the ends of the fields - robots start in the middle - or the other Nuen photo is standing next to a conveyor belt (hmmm)?

Levin571 06-12-2004 08:32
Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??
 
uh oh now JVN has 6 posts... the consecutive numbers keep on going

so maybe a 6 sided field


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