No official FIRST game hint yet??
 

No 70's song lyrics yet???

No math formula's yet???


What's up with that????


When is the official game hint going to be given out this year??
Or is there even going to be one??

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Didn't you hear? After 2004, they aren't having a new game anymore. ;)

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I've searched through all lavery's recent posts and nothing comes to mind...the only trend is that he has been using links alot lately, although that could just be to due to offseason boredom. Maybe the game has something to do with linking the robots to a part of the field, or to be more difficult, to each other? But past that, nothing really jumps out at me.

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Yah, I've been wondering myself, although there was this one. Maybe Dave's getting worried we're getting too good at deciphering his clues.
Personally last year, those clues had me thinking BIG stairs. The Vmax thing had me thinking we'd be shooting something up but had to control the speed. Then the stairway to heaven just verified that Dave was a hippy.
So now he's using philosophy related to dessert, and then left it at that.... I hope he's not going to turn FIRST into a donut eating contest :ahh:

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Back in the old days, we didn't have clues, and we liked it!

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...and we pushed our robots uphill to the field. Both ways! And we didn't have any of those fancy motorized carts!

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That was only 2 seasons ago in Texas :p


Maybe the hints are just so subtle they don't yet exist!

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here is some good reading on the topic: http://www.firstwiki.org/FIRST_Frenzy:_Undefined

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Don't forget the time we had to do it in the snow too!!

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And in our bare feet!

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there was an easy way to solve that just tie freshmen to your feet....

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Don't you remember when we didn't have a roof over our heads? Spectators, that is.



(First Years at Epcot)

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Hey I loved the non-roof stadium at Epcot, it was nice to just go and sit in at times.

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Another thing that has surprised me is that we haven't had one of those "inside info" rumor threads or "I saw a truck from this company that makes this product outside of FIRST Place" or "I was at Denny's and Dean and some guys were sketching on napkins and I was able to see..." threads.

I'm not saying we should start some but in previous years we have had those by now. So far this year, everyone has individual proposals of what they want the game to be like but we don't have one unified direction of what everyone thinks the game will entail.

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Actually, the hint has been their the whole time. There will be no competition this year. This is made apparent by the fact that the hint has been that there's no hint.

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If I were looking for a clue, I would be looking to John Neun. But that is just me.

-dave

Hey! that was my fourth post of the day! Woohoo!

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We have to build robots for a JVN a look alike contest this year?!
:ahh:

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You know, "Neun" sounds a lot like "Noon." And N is standard notation for north.

Perhaps FIRST is borrowing from OCCRA and is bringing in the arrow idea?

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He DIDN'T say John V-Neun. ;)

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Yup.. yet another example of an arrow shape! "V"
I think Billfred is onto something here. :yikes:

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mabye were going to have to engineer a way to make the robots atonomusly stop the "I am John V. Neun" Craze

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You know, when you google the name John Neun, the first website you end up with is one about a baseball player. I'd say this year's game has a baseballish theme. Sticking with the balls, but making them a bit smaller perhaps?

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My father is the first game glue?
Somehow the secret to the new game lies with him?
My ENTIRE life has led up to this moment... Years of training pay off...

229 has (of course) already deciphered the full import of this seeming innocent clue, and have begun building our newest robot "the nooner". This robot is also known as "der neuner" (pronounced: noin-er) depending on who you talk to.

Good luck to all other 2005 participants,
John "the younger" Nooner

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So thats how you want us to treat your brother

Tag! You're it!
 

Robots having to tag three of the other robots before they can reach base.

Looks like a good year for omniwheels and speed. :cool:


Wetzel

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MMMmmyup, I got it.... Looking at John "the V" Neun's who am I image on his profile there - You will see him standing next to a "donut picker upper" (a particularly nice one). Folks, get your donut grabber hats on.... I knew it, Dave can't resist the draw of the donut. There's something about it's shape, and greasy sugariness. I understand Dave.
*off to DUNKIN DONUTS then to study this shape - definitely not KK*

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maybe the game includes some kind of chains (chain links).

maybe there will be some kind of connectable scoring object. say small boxes, each with a kind of connecting piece. push the boxes to snap them together. score in clusters as a multiplier.

maybe he is hinting at a Legend of Zelda-themed game...

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Never a regular, the speedy, slick-fielding Detroit first baseman entered the record books on May 31, 1927. With two Cleveland runners on, Neun nabbed Homer Summa's line drive and tagged Charlie Jamieson off first. Then, ignoring his shortstop's shouts to throw the ball, he dashed toward second and tagged the bag before Glenn Myatt could get back. Neun had executed the major leagues' seventh unassisted triple play. The sixth had been turned the day before, by Cubs shortstop Jimmy Cooney.

triple play?!? well also giving fuel to the fire here was Car Nack's prediction

so the alliance structure is definitely changing....triple play?!? maybe 3 teams 1 v 1 v 1? maybe 3 on 3.....it has something to do with three i just know it :)

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I agree, I think that the game this year maybe has something to do with 3 teams and also with maybe smaller balls (not particularly baseballs... but something of that size). These are rather interesting predictions but you can never know anything for sure ... is it time to know yet?? :ahh:

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Good observations. The use of baseballs might actually be plausible.

Baseball itself also has a lot of 3's in it:
There are three bases, not including home plate.
Three strikes, you're out!

Will there be a base system? Will there be 'strikes'?

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Car Nack's Prediction said there will be no more use of 3 teamed alliances... maybe this relates?

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You guys do realize that, though the great and powerful Carn Nack is almost always right... he hasn't actually seen the game yet.

So... his predictions aren't hints. Just predictions.

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maybe a triple loss elimination for the finals this year?
But notice he didn't use the "V"

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true but his predictions are normal pretty accurate....

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Ooh.. edited, today.

He's trying to tell us something! Or is he?

-goes hunting-

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It must have been something one of us said that made him change his post!!
OMG!!

*starts searching frantically for clues*

<edit>
I was just thinking about Car Nack's prediction that there wouldn't be three team alliances this year.
Maybe there will be 4 team alliances instead!</edit>

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Maybe him leaving out the V has something to do with the number 5, being that V is the roman numeral of 5. We were talking about 3, then he put 4th post, so maybe he is trying to lead us into the number 5. But what about it?

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when did the official game hint come out last year and in years past?

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well it couldn't be 5 teams per alliance. that'd be insane, NTM how many matches you'd hafta have then! or else how long they'd be, but in either case it'd be insane. they wouldnt do that to us would they?

so, on the note of 5's... 5 goals per alliance? 5 main things you hafta do to possibly win the match? an obstacle course with 5 things in it? 5 bars to hang from? 5 big balls that are somehow important...
*i could go on for as long as you'd like...
but i'll just you yall that to speculate off of for now. :cool:
hehe
~Stephanie

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just an fyi 2001 had 5 team alliances ;)

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wow! this must mean it has something to do with 2001.....maybe 2001: A Space Odyssey! :ahh: (goes off hunting for clues)

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Haha ... we're all going crazy :P

Dave and his ambiguous clues .. and our overactive imaginations/brains :ahh:


Speak, Dave, speak again!! :D

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Well last year it came out on January 6th, which was 4 days before kickoff, and it came out in this e-mail blast. However, I seem to recall that it turned out that the same hint had been part of Dave's signature for some time before this... so it's entirely possible that we've seen the actual hint already! :ahh:

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ok i don't like number hints anymore....too many possibilities.....stick to song lyrics

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If I were looking for a clue, I would be looking to John Neun But that is just me.

-dave

Hey! that was my fourth post of the day! Woohoo!

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If you click on John Nuen picture, it takes you to a photo of him standing next to Wildstag 97 robot - the year we played Toroid Terror. Perhaps we will be playing with something other than balls again. (ball type games have been used extensively, except for 3 notable times - inner tubes, floppies, plastic bins) I think Ty might be on to something. Dave does like donuts!

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Please Note:

John Neun

JVN

I honestly believe Lavery is talking about my father, and that I (JVN) have nothing to do with the clue.

John

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there is also a "5" written on the pipe in the picture of John Neun.

RbyGal1351 said that 5 main objectives we have to do or an obstacle course with 5 objects in it.

in John V Neun's name, V can stand for 5, in John Neun's Who Am I picture he is standing next to a pipe which has a 5 on it.

According to Beth Sweet, the game also can be a baseball theme.

so, what i am thinking is either a 5 alliance game (wow), or there will be 5 objectives of the game. or maybe, there is an objective on the field that has the most point and you have to work with your opponent to get that objective done. DAVE!!!!!! COME BACK BEFORE WE START PULLING OUR HAIR OFF!!!!! :ahh:

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I'm surprised, with this five talk, that nobody's mentioned this post. It's spotlighted, too.

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I really dont see 5 individual teams going against each other. Kind of takes the between team cooperation out of the game, and also really confuse alliance picking. I think there must be some twist to make all the robots have to cooperate(my link idea). Maybe all the robots compete against each other for certain scores on the field, but get the same overall score. And whoever scores the certain objects, gets extra bonus points added onto the overall score.

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I cannot believe no one mentioned this. A field sloping down towards the middle? Perhaps Mr. Lavery is referring to JVN. Actually, the missing V may be indicating the V-shaped cross section of the field.

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Well, it seems that my thought proces i backwards form all you other peoples.


Obviously the 3 (all the baseball talk in this thread) is followed by the 4 (posts by dave, as discussed in this thread) and the 5 (from John V Neun) are in consecutive order, for a reason. Maybe theres some sort of sonsecutive theme, like in the finals and stuff, you MUST win 2 CONSECUTIVE matches to move on, or sumthins along those lines

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Hmm...Dave spending time to figure that out...and leave us with such a subtle clue...I don't know if he would spend time to do that...I think it is much simpler than that.

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My other thought: 3, 4 , 5 average to make 4. This would reinforce that 4 that dave mentioned. So, maybe some thing very solidly 4 that many people would like to challenge. Thats all i got right now, like maybe 4 way orientation robot, like being able to start sideways (both of them), upside down, and regular. I dunno, just some thoughts

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well that'd be interesting if you had to win consecutive matches to move on. that'd reali test your robot's durability, like if ur bot broke drastically in one match you'd either hafta be reali reali good at quick fixes or you wouldnt move on... that'd be kinda cool, but i was thinking that it might have something to do with the colon after the name in last year's comp., signifying a sequence or something, like the 3, 4, 5 thing.
now does last years comp relate more to two or three?
:eek:
*goes off searching for more potential clues*

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Ok, another thin i found. Dave Lavery's post was #16, and this cannot be a coincodence, time for a number analysis again.

Number of posts made be dave according to dave on that day: 4
divide thsat into the post number he had: 16/4 equals 4
the threee main numbers brought up added up: 3+4+5= 12
the average of those numbers: 12/3 = 4


Thats a lot of fours, i thihnk something is there!!! :ahh: time to keep searching all over the place

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most recent thing: John V Neun has 4 (theres that magic number again) posts in this thread)

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So that could mean 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 (new)
or 4 vs 0 (2001)
or 2 vs 2 ("standard"/"modern")
maybe a three on one? with the one-robot side getting some sort of advantage to use?

So does this mean once JVN posts again here the magic average moves up to 4.333? that would make for some sort of a funky alliance- 4 operational and one other.

Going with patterns and all, every two years there is a 'dramatic' change in first.

1993 - water-filled balls
1995 - things that happen during the match count (the FIRST football game)
1997 - team numbers and intertubes
1999 - alliances of 2 on 2 and floppies. Field is rectangularized.
2001 - alliances of 4 versus the clock
2003 - autonomous mode and bins

So every two years there's a change to something in the format. Anyone up for the revival of the hexagon field?

_Alex

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That "4th post of the day" meant 4 hints out there:

1 - 2 - 3 - 4

here's my hints: 2001 and Pete Best = alternate or human player ;)

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Wow this is the first guess I can actually agree with, it makes perfect sense, a sloped field. The whole game would be played fighting against gravity. It would be a very interesting game. I this were the case, we probably wouldn't have balls to gather because well they would all end up in the middle of the field, we wouldn't have to work to gather them, all we would have to do is go the center and pick them up. So if the field is like a V then I predict that there will be no balls, or circular objects.

I hope we move on to something different, I mean there are lots of interesting objects out there, besides balls. After all this whole first experience is about experiencing new things, so shouldn't our robot experience new things.

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Another interesting foretelling coincidence is Michigan's local OCCRA competition, which is in the fall. OCCRA '03 had mobile goals, balls, and the 'power ball' (basically a large green ball to cap the goals with), much like 2004 FIRST. This year's OCCRA used field components called tubies- 3 half-foot lenghts of 3'ID PVC bolted together into a triangular prism, and a ramp with holes in it. Gotta love coincidence.

_Alex

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V-shaped field? BRING IT ON!

Finally, us R/C truck racers will bring something to the table. If there's a true V in that field (and not a U), then we're looking at some hardcore suspension design. Very few robots I saw last year could drive to the other side of such a field.

And keep the balls. Even if they're all in one place, there was no robot I saw last year that could easily be adapted easily for the odd angles and greater chance of riding up on the balls. A scooping mechanism would have to be more advanced than this year.

So I think we'd be in for good times if that were the challenge.

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that would be cool!
besides, no body would ever expect something like that, so all the teams would have to redesign any drive trains they had "pre-designed", and you couldnt re-use last years either. and here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=32
*Prepares herself for a V-shaped field*
~Stephanie

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I think Dave is just trying to buy time by sending us on a wild goose chase till the real clue comes out. Tricky Tricky!

Dave Dave Dave when will you learn.



Silly Lavery trix are for kids (couldn't resist:D)

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Ut oh!
How many do I have NOW!?!?

You didn't notice the "no motors" reference? :ahh:

FIRST follows absolutely no patterns. There is no method to their madness.
Nothing but CHAOS.

Why isn't this in the rumor mill yet?
 

CHAOS is 131....1+3=4!
and then 4+1=5!

I'm onto your games Mr. JVN.


Wetzel

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It would because if you were defending your goal you would be going with gravity giving you the advantage. EG Stack Attack.

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Jeff,
Remember, chaos is entropy and Entropy is 138.

John

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I like the idea of a v-shaped sloping field, but that would make it very difficult for teams to build low cost practice fields, so I don't think FIRST would go in that direction.

Why is this still not in the rumor mill?
 

And entropy is energy. FIRST=energy, that had been obvious for a long time.

1+3=4
8-4=4!

The answer is 4!


Wetzel :)

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In addition, it would be hard to adapt the current field perimeter walls to a V shaped field. Unless, of course, only part of the field is a "V" (like Stack Attack inverted). Personally, I hope, and believe, that it will not be a V because of the difficulty that introduces into autonomous operation. I think FIRST is, and should, be headed towards increased importance of autonomous control, and will adapt the game to this goal.

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I think that to make the top of the "v" start at the bottom of the plexiglass on the current player station walls and have them slope downwards to meet the other slope at the floor level in the center wouldn't be too hard or too exspensive (if they don't use exspensive materials to create it). They could also add a flat part at each end of the field (at the top of the slopes) to make the slope steeper or to have a spot to put something so it would not automatically roll to the middle. It is very doable, but I doubt that we will see a field in such a manner in this year's game.

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Who says that they have to slope to the center between the ends. Maybe the high point runs between alliance partners from red to blue end. Or they could also slope into the center between alliance partners from red to blue. :eek:

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From Dave's 4 posts of the day -
1) no alliances (1 on 1 on 1 on 1 on 1) 5 or V at a time
2) hint about a Beatles song - Dave liked last years Stairway hint (Pete Best was suppose to be the mysterious 5th Beatle) Penny Lane - lane might work, Yellow Submarine (water - nope), Strawberry Fields - fields, theres just too many!
3) game piece something that a juggler would use (bowling pin, bowling ball, chain saw (nah))
4) inverted v shaped field - ramps on the ends of the fields - robots start in the middle - or the other Nuen photo is standing next to a conveyor belt (hmmm)?

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uh oh now JVN has 6 posts... the consecutive numbers keep on going

so maybe a 6 sided field

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Remember guys, FIRST is running low on money, they build more fields this year and last year, so I don't think we will see anything different from the rectangle design with four driver positions at each end.

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<me> looks at 76 posts and 6 pages worth of more rumors... </me>

Ughh.. what have I started? I was trying to see why no OFFICIAL FIRST E-MAIL hints have been dropped yet, and I get talk of very vague (if any) hints that seem to be stretching on FIRST hint quality..

I guess we can't have a hint (like drums?) or 70's song lyrics, or a math formula every year. :rolleyes:

Sorry Brandon... Didn't mean to make another Rumor thread...

These crazy ChiefDelphi.com members... What can I say??? :ahh:

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I think you just said it all!! :yikes:

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I talked to Dean Kamen this weekend at the FLL Event in Enfield, Connecticut. Trying to get a simple hint from him was like trying to squeeze water from a rock. He simply smiled, put his hand on my shoulder, and said "be patient! You'll have to wait. I guarantee you're going to love the challenge this year...."

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The game will be one one one one.

3-4-5 is a right triangle.

The winning team will get the score of the hypotenuse, unless they decide a low score wins this year.

And the robot dimension requirements will be a vertical triangular prism, causing all robots to look like cheese wedges, because cheese is nothing like donuts.

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Hey, wait a minute, I AM John Neun! I haven't seen anyone mention it yet, but I know a learned and erudite guy like Mr. Lavery would know that our name means "9" in German.

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Leading us astray but the clues are still there. The numbers 5 and 6 are visible in Johns picture. The plot thickens.

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Well as I see it, John Neun's head is round and shinny like bowling ball, that means we are using bowling balls this year. Like his father, JVN will soon have the advantage of his head resembling a game object.

-Eric

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Well, JVN still has a little bit of hair. Maybe it'll be an astroturf field?

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Mr. Nuen sir, is it not true that you enjoy Donuts for Dessert?!!?!? AHA!!

This V thing is pointing in the same direction as the first 2 clues, 5 teams per alliance. 4 on the field at a time. See 2001 rules.

A giant sloped 48' field because the V is missing?!?!? ugh.... You guys need to watch more CSI or something.... :rolleyes:

Poor Mr. Nuen got sucked into this thing, all unsuspecting. Now he's going to be lurked upon. But unless he makes donuts with that big machine of his, I'm not biting...

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Well... funny you mention that.

We always joked my little brother's head is pointed... maybe we'll have cone-shaped game objects???

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Wait! That's right! John has a brother, which he mentioned in this thread.

That means there THREE J. (V- optional) Neuns. ... TWO of which are John (V- optional) Neuns. 2 + 3 = 5!

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I agree with a couple predictions made so far.

I'm pretty sure Mr. Neun and Johnny Neun (the baseball player) are red herrings. I think Dave was referring to JVN and left the "V" out intentionally.
Well, When I look at John Neun, I see 2 things. First, there's the letter "V" between those names. Second, I see 1997's inner tubes in the background. This (and Dave's previous "eat dessert first" comment, which could refer to the inner tube's doughnut shape) leads me to believe that we will have to put the inner tubes onto V-shaped goals.

Also, no one has mentioned this yet:Dave only made one post that day that I can see. What does this part of the clue mean?

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Four posts, that means four physical posts, for scoring, blocking, whatever. Add that to the donuts at the VA science center clue, then the JVN clue, and the eat desert first post.

I'd say we should expect to see rings of some sort, inflatable, metal, whatever, and some sort of dowls or posts to put them on or remove them from.

Question is, how does Dave's infared post relate to this game?

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Each of the 2 V-shaped goals (4 posts, get it?) will have IR beacons to make it possible to score in autonomous mode.

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There will probably be an increased score given to objects scored during autonomous. And "eat dessert first" means that autonomous will be at the end, requiring the robot to use the IR beacon to find its way to the posts. I think Dave is feverously designing a new game now, since we have figured out the game he had already planned.

Almost dosn't count except in horseshoes, handgrenades and nuclear bombs.
 

We know they build and play out game ideas and tweak from that. Perhaps Dave was playing the game and you score by 'posting'.

Horseshoes? Frisbee golf? :ahh:


Wetzel

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You are all starting to scare me. Actually, I don't care for Krispy Kreme donuts. I'm from the Northeast, and we have Dunkin' Donuts here.

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Uh oh! John Neun now has 4 posts (the magic number...according to some).

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Riiiiight.... you know, you look familiar

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Well when I thought V shaped field I really meant a sloped field only at the edges sort of like this \___________/ , and a elevated platform at the ends. so we would only have to build a ramp on each side of the field (the shorter side) so if u were a driver the base of the robot would be like eye level with thew base when you start. Then in like autonomous mode you would go down the ramp, or wait does eat desserts mean that autonomous is at the end. :eek: Wo that would mean that that all the robots would need like a GPS like system. ;)

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Perhaps this "V" is actually a ramp the robot has to drive over and/or balance on similar to 2001. We all know how they sometimes like to incorporate ideas from previous games.

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wow autonomous at the end?
that'd be reali hard/weird/complicated.
cuz ud hafta know where you are in order to do stuff, so in order to do ur autonomous right, everyone would be scrambling at the end of not-autonomous to get to where they need to be. (itd also then be hard to not block other ppls bots when you know where they need to get...just sorta be right where they need to be... la dee da :rolleyes: )
but then, if you're NOT where you need to be, who knows where you're bot would end up if it just did what it'd normally do... (course a good programmer would make an override switch that the driver could flip right before non-auto mode ends so that nothing happens :cool: , for fear of running your bot into other things...)
also, what if some bots were broken but still ran, or piled on top of each other cuz one fell over, and they went to do what they wanted to do during autonomous!
no, i dont think they'd have autonomous be at the end after some non-auto time. esp after only having auto mode at all for a couple of years!
my opinion anyway :D
~Stephanie

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Eat Dessert First

I dont know about you, but for me and most people i know, desert is a pleasing thing to the masses. And what do the masses do at competition?? they cheer, and when do they cheer the loudest?? (apart from when something catastophic happens

That's right folks, they cheer when the socre comes out. Im onto you, Dave.

Eating dessert first means that we will have to predict our score before the match starts. This is gonna make it a bit harder, and the best defense could be a good offense (make the opposing team get too many points), so, that means that its gonan be a crazy year.

And in regards to the post about 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen.

Obviously, this has got to do something with more than juyst the surface. Dave is often a cryptic fellow, so im guessing this has somethign to do with either the fact that hydrogen is explosive and oxygen is fallamable, or maybe something to do with number 7, the next consectutive number (mass of 2 hydrogens divided mass of an oxygen, roughly.

Well, thats my speculation for the moment. LEt the newest rumors begin!!!

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Haha 2 hydrogens and 1 oxygen, maybe 2 on 1. No just joking. Eat desserts first has got to be a clue so think about it. what does he mean. :confused: