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Pin Man

30-12-2004 17:45

Re: Official 2005 Clue Thread

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Originally Posted by 663.keith

well a slice of pie (pi) forms a triangle, like a pyramid!

OK.... now that I got that off my back, I see two interpretations for the word between, one being between as something in the middle of these three things, or between as something in common.

my guess that the between refers to something in common, in this case, three. I do not think that a three on three alliance is conceivable because of all the logistic problems talked about in the the center is out topic. Saying that, I think that the three will be something to do with scoring objects, possibly three different types of things to score, or three places to score.

Also during the kickoff, Dave mentioned that the IR sensors weren't necessary this year (first Frenzy), but not the next (this 2005 season). I can imagine that the autonomous mode will be extremely important, possibly having the capability to score points during autonomous mode

just my $.02

I hope AUTO mode isn't going to be extremely important... For the passed years our robot has done next to nothing in AUTO mode... We try so hard to get it right but we just beat our robot during the comps and everything gets off... Like we don't go straight or whatever... OH NO!!!

Corey Balint

30-12-2004 17:47

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Fin, I think what he meant was that you could only get these points during autonomous, and at no other time during the match. The past two years, you could score those points at any point during the match. Maybe now, you have one shot to do it in autonomous and thats it.

Rocketboy

30-12-2004 17:52

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Jeez, I'm having some difficulty compiling all of these ideas into my mind.

My theory lies with the hexagon field and a ziggurat shape center.

Somehow IR beacon(s) are going to allow a robot to guide itself to a scoring opportunity or to a prominent location on the field.

I'm having problems with the teams or no teams issue. I don't think FIRST will easily abandon alliances. However, unless a large field is invented, having six robots on the playing field at once could be problematic. I foresee mass destruction if the competition is as aggressive as last year. :ahh:

Ted Boucher

30-12-2004 17:57

Re: Official 2005 Clue Thread

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Originally Posted by Rocketboy

However, unless a large field is invented, having six robots on the playing field at once could be problematic.

I HIGHLY doubt that FIRST would make the field larger than is usually is. Regional locations like UTC can't take a field that is much larger than the normal field and I am sure other locations have the same problem .

phrontist

30-12-2004 18:03

Re: Official 2005 Clue Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverStar

Can you clarify the link to your last post?

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I wonder if the FIRST game designers look through our speculative posts and have a fit of laughter.

I simply meant that it would make sense, if they were borrowing from previous years, to bring back the placebo.

Rocketboy

30-12-2004 18:04

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Okay then... I'm now more confident about there being three teams on the field. :)

Now just to start theorizing on drivetrain options...

Arefin Bari

30-12-2004 18:05

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Originally Posted by Corey Balint

FIRST wouldn't do that to us. only one shot to score points (autonomous), NO WAY. seeing all the problems teams had with autonomous previous years, i dont think we will see this kind of day (score only during autonomous) anytime soon.

Steve Horn

30-12-2004 18:06

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I think the field will stay the same, even though a lot of people say it will be a hexxagon shape. With the same field as the past few years, FIRST could have three or four teams on each side of the field at a time. I think FIRST will have a 3 v 3 setup, with three teams on each side. In the middle of the field the robots might have to hit an IR beacon for drive teams to drive robots around.

Just my $.02 after thinking about this for awhile.

abeD	30-12-2004 18:06

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Originally Posted by Arefin Bari

since "3" is coming back up. is it 3 major scoring objects? like 180 pounds mobile goals from back in 2002? or something similar to that?

I tend to agree here...Most likely 3 of one thing or 3 different ways to score

And the IR beacons are very likely to be in some twisted way necessary in this years game. The hexagonal field and 6 teams at a time seem a little bit to big of a change to be realistic.

Rocketboy

30-12-2004 18:11

Re: Official 2005 Clue Thread

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Originally Posted by Arefin Bari

I don't know... I think the idea is almost logical. It wouldn't have to be major points like the fifty we could earn for the bar last year, but maybe a solid 10-20 points for having the ability to accomplish something during that short time period would be good.

Besides, the only reason nobody works harder on their autonomous programming is because they havent been given a significant reason to.

team222badbrad

30-12-2004 18:13

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You're guess is as good as mine.... :ahh:

The only question I have is:

No early BOM this year?

Getting an early Bill of Materials is much better way for me to come up with ideas/clues!

Keep on guessing; I guess that is the only thing we can do until Jan 8th ;)

Yan Wang

30-12-2004 18:21

Re: Official 2005 Clue Thread

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Originally Posted by Dr.Bot

I also don't see a major redesign in the field of play. It is darn expensive to throw out what you have already.

I don't think that a field change is out of the question. Certainly it'd be expensive, but didn't FIRST just raise first regional registration cost this year by $1000? Multiply that by 1,000-ish teams...

Many current field components could still be used over, such as barriers, parts of the player station setups, carpet, IRs, etc.

Pin Man

30-12-2004 18:30

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1,000,000... That's a good chunk of change...

drews

30-12-2004 18:35

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Pi - if spelled pie is round - maybe a round field.
Combine Red and Blue (the color of the teams of FIRST) and you get purple - or the color of amethyst.

3 sets of teams on a circular field.

Paradox1350

30-12-2004 18:39

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How long have the size limitations of the bot been the same? If they were to keep the field size the same, and make the challenge less complicated than last year (as this past year's challenege was WAY more complicated than Stack Attack) then they would keep the field size the same, shrink the robots down a smidge, and use 3 v 3 aliances.

Do I think that will happen? No. But I think it's possible.

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