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Col. Mustard, eh? "Mean Mr. Mustard". :yikes:

Only by hand, eh? Perhaps another human element this year? Assuming it said "you and me" are between pi, perhaps the bots have to move something(or themselves?) out of the way of some sort of goal, then bring balls back to the people on respective teams, similar to last year with more room for trechery and defense.

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If one looks through Purple-colored glasses, one cannot see yellow things. Purple colored glasses let through purple colored light, and yellow is the exact opposite. The advance materials list contains a yellowish paint. I have NO IDEA what this means, but it has to mean something.

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Hmm, mustard is yellow.

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Mmmmm. I like mustard

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I have a feeling we're all going to be very disappointed when we find out what the competition is this saturday. We've all been thinking a bit too hard on this. I'm preparing myself for a good laugh though.

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The orangish-yellow paint might look black through the amethyst colored glasses. Does that indicate anything?

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Disappointed?!?! :eek:

no way, I look at this stuff as a way to get psyched for the kickoff. Most posts are way off, but it is interesting to see different patterns and relations that people come up with

besides, FIRST always makes a game that is 100 times better than what we think of, I will always be amazed

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I'm doing this as something fun to do this week.

I'm sure we're way off with the game. It fun to have conspiracy theories though.

Maybe, the game will have something to do with Elvis and UFOs :D

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Yellow Paint
Amethyst colored Glasses = Purple

http://library.thinkquest.org/J002744/adlm-album2.HTML :eek:

And sticking with minerals for 200 Alex, I'll add this:

Quote:

Ametrine Faced Gems Purple & Golden Vibrant Purple & Yellow Fine Purple & Yellow Amertrine Crystal Fine Purple & Yellow Amertrine Crystal Purple & Yellow

http://www.harvestfields.netfirms.co...Info/gemsA.htm

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I know I sort of posted it as a joke sometime back in the 370's, but I'm beginning to think that I might not have been too far off with the whole autonomous in the middle of the game. (Felt it had to be mentioned at lease once more, since every other theory has been mentioned 20X min. :o ) Since there's not too much inexplicable stuff on the materials list, it seems even more likely that the clue might have to do with a non-physical game element.

I still can't explain the ugly yellow paint tho, and I can't help but think it's key...Has FIRST ever just put a random item on there just to throw everyone off? lol Even if they haven't, this clue is WAY more complicated than last year's, so I'm not sure I would put much past Dave...

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I'm totally stumped now :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

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they are trying to play with our minds now to get us ready for build season... it does seem to work... I better all the people that designed and knwo what the game is, is feeding off people like Jeremy (and myself) :0P (No offense Jeremy)... Good God only a few more days... I can't wait!

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no offence taken I thought I had a clue about it but when i saw that materials list with the magnets and the paint I just got totally lost

Additional hint?
 

Dave mentioned at the team meeting that this was the best post in this thread yet. Didn't say what sort of best, just the best.


Wetzel

Re: Additional hint?
 

One thing we have to realize about Dave: he is one of the best and worst sources of information. He's the best because he helped design the game, he certainly knows what the game is. He's the worst because it is a personal hobby of his to give out warped clues to cause us all even more confusion :ahh:

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Haha, can you blame him though? I have to be honest, if I was Dave, I would be as cryptic and misleading as possible, just because it would be so extremely fun. Especially after doing the game Animation each year, I'd love to relax by poking people's brains with red hearrings on this board.

Re: Additional hint?
 

Hang on a tic...

Hidden eye.
What movie has something to do with a hidden eye?
National Treasure.
As in...the secretive eye on the back of the dollar bill. As in the Illuminati. As in the all seeing eye on...the pyramid.

Golden paint=pyramids.

All of the "threes" relate to pyramids.

Pyramidal Rock and Roll hall of fame.

Assorted other "threes".

And...I finally found a connection to Dave Laverey's hint about being reminded of this year's game at the VCU science center.

Check out what their buildings are topped with:



I think it's safe to say that we're going to see pyramids in this year's game.

--Petey

p.s. Also, pyramids are built with Pi. Or so I'm told.
p.p.s. Also see my additional I.M. Pei post

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Ok i'm downloading the logo and running a couple filters on it, i'll post my results in a little bit.

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you probably shouldn't, this has been attempted before in this thread, and it is not allowed by first to change their logo

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Can you change the logo if you're testing something?

--Petey

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Is anyone really excited about saturday as well? Man im so excited I could ride a horse with really long pants on. I don't think anyone on my team even knows that the game is going to be revealed this saturday so I have no one to get excited with.

Ahhhhhh...
I love pink

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On page 7 of Section 7 of the 2005 manual, there is:

Doesn't sound like they are doing away with alliances.

3v3v3?

Re: Additional hint?
 

Umm... Thanks??

I don't know about Amethyst colored glasses, but the logo does look pretty wild through some 3D glasses..

:p

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Maybe it does have someting to do with 3D. I mean who didn't play with those red glasses when they were a kid and see the picture pop off the page. Maybe there are pyramids that you can only see with 3d glasses that you move your robot around... (jk on that second part) Just a thought.

-NSR

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are you being serious?

I guess its illegal to look at the logo in different ways. hmm. :rolleyes:

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He wouldn't be changing the logo by running it through filters...just looking at it differently. He is just running the filters because he does not have amythest colored glasses (at least I'm assuming he doesn't have glasses).

Re: Additional hint?
 

Well take the logo...

Amethyst=purple
The closest thing to purple is the red triangle. Now in the clue we have Pi, and 2 baseball players. Pi could be the circle (although other posts have disputed this), and the baseball players could represent the diamond/square. That leaves the triangle, thereby supporting the pyramid idea.

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The circle dissapears...

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You can do anything to an image that you want . . .

So long as the right people don't find out ^_^


Really though, if you want to alter the FIRST logo to see if you can see anything in it, do so. Just don't post it anywhere. Unless the results are really interesting. Then you'd have to share them with us. But the FIRST logo restrictions are in place so that they have a recognizable logo. It's smart marketing. The restrictions are there so that if you have the logo posted anywhere that it will be seen (pamphlet, website, t-shirt) people will see the logo and say, even subconsiously, "I know that logo! Weeeeeeee!"

If people go about changing the logo and then distributing it, the same effect doesn't happen.

But keep in mind, everyone here is already addicted to FIRST. We don't need to be brand-brainwashed any more than we are. ^_^ So if you think you could find something hidden in the logo, go for it. Filter it all you want.

Alex Wijtowych
 

Well there are a few clues here. As "Pi" is the 16 letter in the greek alphabet and you take the first letters in between "you" and "me" from the greek alpahabet you get "xi", "upsilon" and "omikron" which mean "put", "box", and "off".

Thus more looking at the triple plays there were only 12 ever recorded. If you follow the order in which they are done, they are all the same.
The colours from both team are also red white and blue.

Between "you and me" is fair to say that there will be two robots facing off against each other.

What does this all mean????

Both robots will start off on opposing ends and must go to the centre of the arena where they will come to a pilar. The pilar will drop the balls(as in the triple play you must catch the ball in order for a successful out) and you must drop it in a box(xi), (as in touching the base for a second out). Next you must drop the ball in a moving container(trying to out the player running to second). I'm not sure about the other parts but that is some idea and also the colours are more than likely going to represent different balls for different scoring points. The 12 triple plays could aslo mean there are only 12 balls.

The fastest one to do so may be the winner in that task. The playing field can also suggest(with help from the forums :)) that with the beatles and the music you get a triangle. Greeks are famous for triangles and pythagorean's theorm. Also you can look at greek number system and symbols(like as in pi representing a number in ancient greek math 80 or 16 not sure).
Hope this helps anyone build on any ideas

wouldn't it be awesome if the robots had to stack blocks (like LEGOS!! :)) to make a pyramid...
fun!

Re: Alex Wijtowych
 

I don't see that happening--the playing field there is too intricate.

What do you mean, all of the triple plays are in the same order? Is that total triple plays, or unassisted triple plays?

And where did you get those meanings for those words?
--Petey

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ok ive been lookin at the first logo for like an hour trying to figure out just wut the heck it all means. And i can only come up with this:

I had some ametyst colored lenses that i took out of a disco ball ;) and saw pretty much nothing... but i did see the letter X in the middle... the old logo did not have that in the middle of the circle. The triangle and square are closer together to form and X. Well an X in baseball denotes a strike..X marks the spot... the circle is the last scoring position at the end of the game.

Or the X means this is "out of bounds" or something. I also looked at the logo through some 3D lenses and saw some pretty cool stuff.. When i looked through the lenses i noticed that the red triangle changed to a purple triangle quite frequently... maybe this signifies something here. This is prolly goin out on the limb but im just speculating on the logo post...

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this also kinda goes with the riddle... something between pi, you, and me... Well pi is the circle, and the red and blue alliances... X is between the circle!

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good point, pi, you, and me. also notice the open shapes, they used to be closed

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Anyone who has been following this thread has probably seen many links to various ideas involving circles, triangles (pyramids), and squares (baseball diamond). However, I do not recall any post suggesting that those various shapes could all be scoring objects of varying points and difficulty to obtain and/or score.

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Frequently?

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yea, in fact too frequent

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jeeze man u dont have to be such a jerk about it. im sorry if its not good enough for u but i was just trying to help after reading his question.

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I haven't read each and every post on this thread, so maybe I missed it if someone else has already thought of some of this........................

There was a baseball player named Pi Schwert. He was a catcher for the Yankees. Short baseball career, but later he went into politics. Perhaps the "Pi" in the clue isn't just our friendly 3.14.

Now how about that "between Pi, You and Me".....................
If we consider Neun and Burns to be together at their usual 1st base position and Schwert at homeplate, what is between? a "runner"? a "baseline"?

Or if we consider first base as position 1 and Pi as position 3 (third base), we have the pitcher or pitching mound between.

I agree with all those folks claiming there are also several hidden 3's and 6's in the clue.

oh well. it was fun to think about anyway. see you on the field!

Angelina

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[joke] My friend Nick is going back to his IB school in Hong Kong. You know, I'm so eager to find out about the rules that I'll have him email them to me on the 8th in HK cause it'll be the 7th here! [/joke]

Seriously though, I like the pyramid idea very much after seeing the images Petey posted. If the above post is correct, then perhaps there is a hole or some scoring object in the top? However, if this is to be a solid pyramid, then I dislike the idea because last year's field setup was hard enough to drive around in.

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Since we're in the business of over-analysis, I thought I'd share my immediate thoughts.

The clue kind of reminds me of a clue from a cryptic crossword, wherein oftentimes you have to find hidden meanings through anagrams. (Usually the anagrams are triggered by words such as 'crazy' or 'mixed', but there isn't anything of the sort in this particular clue, which leads me to believe that I'm barking up the wrong tree, but then again who isn't?)

So I've found a few anagrams for the phrase 'pi, you and me', and I've come up with some incredibly useless things, but mildly amusing nonetheless:

Yup, I'm anode
Yea, impound!
You'd pain me
Aim upon dye
Nude myopia

These were some that jumped out at me.

Like I said, in cryptic crosswords, there are usually triggering words, like 'between pi, you and me' could mean that there is a word in order within the letters of those words. (Like the country name 'hungary' in 'don't shun Gary, he just wants to play', which is from a book I had as a younger child).

It's a slightly different way of thinking, which is what first is all about, right? :) Anyway, I hope kickoff weekend is great for everyone.

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I bet they got enough people complaining about last year and about stack attack that they've come up with some way to avoid it.

Although...if you keep on the 3's...we could see 3, 6, and 9 foot pyramids, couldn't we?

I'm still interested in whether or not we'll see baseballs this year. They would be dangerous...but...

One thing we really haven't decided that much is the gameplay. I'm very interested in seeing how this clue fits into the gameplay, not just the physical design of the field.

--Petey

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to look closely "between" George Burns, John Neun, and Pi Schwert, i looked at their middle names:

George Henry Burns
John Henry Neun
Pi Louis Schwert

did a search for "Henry Louis"
found a Henry Louis Aaron aka Hank Aaron (the baseball player)

Hank Aaron was born February 5th, making his birthstone Amethyst

one of his nicknames was "Hammer" - could the game have somethign to do with hammers or hammering?

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Like most ppl at this point, I haven't read all the posts in this thread. But here's something that I thought of: Last year, a lot of ppl asked to use the CMU Cam on their robots to allow the robot to do image recognition during autonomous (very useful for something like tracking the big yellow balls). It has been mentioned that amythist is used in enhancing optics... leads me to believe the CMU cam will be allowed this year, maybe even part of the kit.

A sidenote: WPI always runs a pre-season warmup in the style of FIRST, and we design the game ourselves. Purely through dumb luck, many of our game design ideas show up in FIRST (great minds...). Something we were toying with was having the scoring zones change colors (i.e. the points in them switch teams) either randomly, timed, or based on the actions of the robots. Their is your purple :)

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Interesting idea, Ryan. I love that scoring zone change color thing.

I get the feeling that all of the unassisted information leads to a bigger, more in-depth autonomous mode.

What I'm really interested in--and what I'd like to see--is how close all this speculation is going to come to what we actually see. I'd also like to see whoever wrote the quote come forth and see how many of these connections were intended and how many weren't. There is no way that the Hank Aaron thing was intended, but the simple fact that it works out is crazy/scary.

--Petey

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So I hear they don't even have a game deisgn... they just throw some words together for a clue.. and if the see an idea they like they adjust it...
we are pawns
anyway 31 hours left

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You mean like this? As Ryan said, great minds...

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that is funny :yikes:

MAYBE

One more day it is killing me i WANT to know this GAME

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I just noticed something about the amythyst. In the quote is says, "while wearing Amethyst colored glasses". I think that for propper grammer (correct me if I'm wrong", but for the glasses to be colored Amythyst, it would be "Amethyst-colored". Instead, this looks like these are glasses that are made of Amethyst, but colored in another color. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is interesting if I'm right for once.

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Random additions...

Looking through "colored" glasses is known to distort one's view of things, e.g. looking through rose colored glasses

George Burns sang "Fixing a hole" in Sgt. Pepper video

Looking closely at someone wearing colored glasses, you see a reflection of yourself in the glasses.. and the person wearing them.

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That's a definate maybe. :D

Oh boy, here we go again...

So the lenses are nox not purple colored, but made from a jewel and colored differently. (Maybe black, so we can't see anything :yikes: )

Squirrel

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Kick off in 22 hours, 51 mins, something seconds... and counting :ahh:

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I guess so.. seeing as the "modified" logo was deleted. Bah!

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perhaps different levels of holes in the pyramid count for different points?

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Another idea for a solution to the riddle:
Burns played Left Field, Neun played First Base. Think of a baseball diamond with bases numbered 1, 2, 3 and 4 (home). Place Pi at about 3.14 on the diamond. Between Neun, Burns and Pi you will find the pitcher's mound and the position of Short Stop. Perhaps the robot will "pitch" items to create a pyramid at the target "Short Stop". IR or UV sensor (amythyst colored) will sense the items -- "colored glasses."

Coach
Team 1135, WHS Robotics
The Schmoebots

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Just think about all the different possibilites and then try to go to sleep tonight isn't going to happen.

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Ah, da Vinci code. When will you cease to amaze me?

Another connection between Pi and pyramid.

The giant glass pyramid--constructed of miniature glass triangles--that is at the front of the Louvre was designed by I.M. Pei, which is pronounced "Pi".

Wiki!

Will update last post too.

--Petey

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I can't wait until 2morrow. It is so exciting :]

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Both Neun & Burns were 1st base (only 1st basemen to do the triple). Pi Schwert? played for the Yankees in 1914-5 while Burns played for the Tigers in those years. Amethyst, You, and Me are all capitalized (proper names).

Proper grammar includes spelling.

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Another connection to threes? Hmm... ;)

I have no idea what to expect, beyond a sinking feeling that I'll have to learn how to program the IR beacons. We'll see tomorrow morning, I guess...and let's try to enjoy the ride, whatever it ends up being. :)

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Did you look at what else I.M. Pei designed? The man definately liked triangles and pyramids, not a mention another tie to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

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Awesome--I didn't realize he had done Rock and Roll hall of fame as well. So that's a triple connection.


Also...think about the statement. "between you, me, and pi". We know who "you" and "me" refer to. What would someone who wished to identify themselves as Pi say? "I am Pi". I. M. Pei.

Hello pyramids.

--Petey

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alright, i got tired of reading this at like page 18 or 19

but i did have an idea...

what if the field is like a trivial pursuit board? it's round or hex shaped ( it's been a while since i've played)...you run around and pick up pieces of pie and when you have all your pies you goto the center...and trivial pursuit has 6 pieces of pie to collect

what if you had to do autonomous at the end of the match to get to the center and the person w/the most pie pieces scores the most points?

way back when it was 1 v 1 v 1 on a hex shaped field they ran 2 fields so that one match would be going on while the other was setting up...leaving non stop action for the spectators.

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...and maybe when you get the pie you get to eat the pie.


I like Pie.

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Maybe they are berry pies and that explains the amethysist glasses reference. In the haste of eating the glasses get tinted by the oversplash from pie consumption...............Just a thought while on a diet...LRU

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The night before kickoff, and I'm surprised nobody has posted this idea yet:


After all of the focus on coopertition over the past four years, I was thinking about how purple (amethyst) was a combination of blue and red. What if the center was out, or it was a neutral zone, where points (or a multiplier) counted for both teams?

Whereas before, you could only score for you or your opponent, making almost certain that the weaker alliance would get blown out of the water, now you would have an area where both alliances would want to score (and not descore), in addition to the individual scoring zones.


Incedently, I predict that the field will probably be similar to the past couple of years, because of all of the regionals (new diamond plating for 30 regionals? you've got to be kidding!), we'll probably still have spherical scoring units, and autonomous and infrared will be more important than ever.

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The BEST robotics competition this year featured a game field where many scoring locations would score points for both teams. There were as many of those as personal scoring areas (for the balls to be collected in the game). The idea is a good one and perhaps FIRST was inspired by BEST's system.

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"Look closely and you will see something between Pi, You and Me."

Could it be that little curvy thing after the i in Pi and before the words You and Me? What does a comma do anyways?
It separates items in a series - so maybe it does indicate that one team (Pi) is separated from the other 2 teams (You and Me).

Maybe, its a game where 2 Purple robots play against 2 Red and 2 Blue.

Maybe, its a game where the colored LEDs change from Red, to Blue to Purple (red and blue together) every 30 seconds, such that the only way to assure victory is to play hard to score when paired with everyone. Kinda takes defense out of the equation and forces cooperation between everyone.

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Pi = 3

Amethyst = 6 (stone for anniversary)

Both men had the middle name "Henry" which has 5 letters

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[quote=Olde Bill]Both Neun & Burns were 1st base (only 1st basemen to do the triple). Pi Schwert? played for the Yankees in 1914-5 while Burns played for the Tigers in those years. Amethyst, You, and Me are all capitalized (proper names).


There were TWO plays named George Burns. The one who was the National League MVP played Left Field. Note: His career batting average is almost exactly equal to that of Neun.

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If you looked at the field parts list, it says something about a magnet. That has me thinking the most.

Alex Wijtowych
 

"something between Pi, You and Me"
Maybe since pi being the 16 letter of the greek alpahbet it could mean there is only 16 balls. Let two bots represent you and me and that the balls are between them.

With the unassisted triple plays, the order in which one occurs must do like so:
1. Catch a Ball
2. Touch a Base
3. Touch an opponent
This are possible clues that these are just hints to some of the tasks.
If you look at the greek alphabet, what is between pi, "Y" and "M" for "you" and "me" you get words like box and off. Maybe i'm wrong but I think we may have to move blocks around.

Re: Alex Wijtowych
 

Oh man... The game is revealed in less than 12 hours!!! I'm so pumped... I still say 3 vs 3 or 2 vs 2 vs 2.... 6 robots on the field... haha... Hopefully the game will be as exciting as it was last year with that amount of involvement with the human player... FIRST never seizes to amaze me... We shall see tomorrow morning...

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hmmm, Pi's realtionship to a pyramid, could the clue be pertaining to an event of the game, possibly a "king of the hill" or mayb a finishing point, OR mayb we've got to move something uphill

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OOOH.

King of the Hill--I hadn't thought of that.

But wouldn't it be dangerous for the robots? I imagine that FIRST doesn't want to produce a situation in which a robot could undergo serious harm if it fell. It wouldn't be like dropping off of the bar--it would tumble.

Well. We'll find out in....10 hours?

--Petey

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I highly doubt it would be a King of the Hill type of game because it would hurt the robots, but in 2003 the game was like that basically so you never know. I do think there will be a pyramid of some sort on the field somewhere. Maybe more then one. Maybe a giant cube, a giant pyramid, and a giant ball. But I am way too excited right now to think.

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its worthless to speculate any more... but i will any way. i think that Pi is making a reference to possibly a ring or some other circular scoring object. as to the rest of the hint, no clue. few more hours...

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I can't wait to find out the game just to see if speculation was correct on any part of it :)

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Hey--someone from the hint commitee!

Let us know where we were right and where we were off!

--Petey

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so ... this year they didn't explain what the clue was .. honestly, I am completely confused .. amethyst glasses ?? they were never mentioned ...

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Amythist was probably just the red/blue combination. Plus, it was probably something regarding the color sensors. The Pi thing was related to the pyramid and the new programming language. And, George Burns and John Neun were used because of the game's name "Triple Play." Pi, You and Me was the 3 v. 3 thing, at least, that's what I think.

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Since Dave didn't cover the clue on the broadcast, I asked him afterwords about it. He smiled and said, "I guess that's something we forgot to cover, it seemed like I did that on purpose." Here are is explanations...

-the amethist clue- amethist's molecular structure is in the form of a tetra.
-george burns and john neun- the both did tripple plays, the name of this year's game.
-"If you look and you will see" pertains to the fact that the robots can see this year
-"Between Pi, You, Me."- Pi = 3.14ish, You and Me = 2, between 3.14 and 2 is 3, the number of teams in an alliance this year.
-"Something at the VA Science center reminded me about next year's game." - In an exhibit, there was a pendulum that swayed back and forth in the sand, the structure holding it up was a tetra.

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That's funny--

So all of our excess musings about pyramids and I.M. Pei and the VCU tops of the buildings were all off.

Hmm.

--Petey

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Ok, I'm thinking about this 'Pi' and 'look very closely' and the fact it's between 'You' and 'Me'. Also, the speculation about moving IR beacons.

I'm guessing that there will be some sort of IR beam (look very closely) moving about in a circular pattern (Pi) in the middle of the field (between 'You' and 'Me'). Oh! From a large tetra, maybe?

I'm also guessing that capturing, or tagging this beam somehow would get you team a higher score, but somehow hinder your teammates. (Therefore helping the other team somewhat. Get it? Purple!)
Maybe it would reverse the color sensors on both team's robots, causing them to see red 'bots as blue 'bot, and vice versa?

That's my look at it. It's got to be some way to get extra points, I guessing.

edit: oh, wait. the game was already revieled. my bad. :yikes:

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I'm also really sort of surprised that no one picked up on the clues in this message, even after the fact. Billfred usually doesn't miss ones like this! ("vision" ... "three elements" ... "sensing-mobility-manipulation" ... "pyramid" ... "see their way" ... "look for a few ideas")

-dave

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Normally I am no good at guessing the meaning of clues, even when they are obvious. Devious Dave's clues are almost always completely opaque to me.

But, I have to ask - did the 'amethyst colored glasses' referred to in the clue have any connection to aviator's 'amethyst contrast enhancement (A.C.E.) ' glasses used to enable better differentiation of colors on instrument panels?

Just wondering.

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At this point, I'll defend my reputation as a nit-picker by reminding the group that I ran through Dave's posts with a fine-toothed comb for FIRST Frenzy well after the 2004 FRC season was complete. Here's my original post:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=68

Note the date--July 17.

Don't worry, my photoshop-prone federal employee, I'll go back through it all in due time. But right now, I've got five good reasons to hold off. (ENGL 102, BIOL 110, ASTR 111, MATH 170, PSYC 101...)