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MrToast 08-01-2005 12:31
Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Here is a link to the compiler that MPLab is generously providing for FIRST teams. The link is in the left-most column of the USFirst site, underneath "Kickoff". It's titled "Microchip Software downloads". If you can't find the link, then USFirst has probably removed it at MPLab's request.

Please remember that this compiler is to be used for FIRST related things ONLY.... if you have a problem with that then don't follow the link below. Please do not distribute the compiler.

http://www.usfirst.org

Enjoy!

Dave

Roland 08-01-2005 12:41
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Thanks for this.

LBK Rules 08-01-2005 12:50
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Should we be posting this in a guest-viewable thread?

billbuckner 08-01-2005 12:51
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Doesn't work, but I'll try at home where I have more bandwidth to work with.

Roland 08-01-2005 12:51
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LBK Rules
Should we be posting this in a gest-viable thread?
Registration is free here anyway...

BandChick 08-01-2005 13:08
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
I'm going to tell you exactly what I PMed Brandon as far as this link goes. And keep in mind, this is only my OPINION.

"During Kickoff Dave made a big point of saying not to extend the compiler to outside sources. I know you know what I'm talking about. Anyway, though I know this site is used for FIRST discussion, in my book, that link should NOT be posted on chiefdelphi. It seems to me that it will get around through word of mouth for the people who have not seen the video. Besides, students spend tons of time on the FIRST site during build season and would probably stumble across it anyway.

I'm just worried that, in my opinion, CD is a lot more public than FIRST's site, and that Microchips' "gift" will become...thievery.

I am PMing you asking you to please remove this thread, if you agree with me."

MrToast 08-01-2005 13:15
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Except that you can get that link off the MAIN PAGE of www.usfirst.org....

Don't see the problem of having it be in an obscure thread when it's on FIRST's main page.....

Dave

atmaturen 08-01-2005 13:19
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
i thought i heard them say that it was going to be posted on usfirst.org, how is that any more secure than this forum?

Deltafrog 08-01-2005 13:40
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
I need a little help with configuring the files!

Jay H 237 08-01-2005 13:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by atmaturen
i thought i heard them say that it was going to be posted on usfirst.org, how is that any more secure than this forum?
From what I understand they're only going to keep that link up on the usfirst site for two weeks only and after that you'll have to contact FIRST for the software. What MPLab has done is VERY generous and it's understandable that they don't want a permanent link. However, posting the link on CD will make it permanent unless something is done about it.

This brings me to the solution I propose.
I agree with Sara's point but what I suggest is after two weeks this thread should be edited or deleted to protect MPLab's "gift".

MrToast 08-01-2005 13:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay H 237
after two weeks this thread should be edited or deleted to protect MPLab's "gift".
After two weeks I will return and remove the link. That's a fair compromise.

Dave

Ken Leung 08-01-2005 14:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrToast
After two weeks I will return and remove the link. That's a fair compromise.

Dave
Might I suggest something different? If FIRST is really serious about keeping this related to FIRST only, and they are going to be responsible for keeping the link at their website for 2 weeks, I think it is better if this thread is directing people to the right location in the FIRST site. That way when FIRST take the link off their website, the link posted here won't work anymore.

This will shift the responsibility of you having to delete your message after two weeks back to FIRST, and they have total control of how long this link will be posted publically.

MrToast 08-01-2005 14:32
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Original posted has been edited.

Dave

BandChick 08-01-2005 14:43
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I'm with Mr. Toast, Ken Leung is a smart guy. Brandon said even he wasn't sure what to do about this, but that seems to clear things up and just about solve the problem. :) Good thinking guys!

stephenthe1 08-01-2005 14:57
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what is the purpose of having visual studio .net 2003 in the kits?

TimeOut 08-01-2005 16:33
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenthe1
what is the purpose of having visual studio .net 2003 in the kits?
Some people have written their own 'Dashboard' programs to monitor their bot. That is one use that would be kind of cool.

Sean

Ryan M. 08-01-2005 17:13
Help with Microchip
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by atmaturen
i thought i heard them say that it was going to be posted on usfirst.org, how is that any more secure than this forum?
What exactly is the problem? We might be able to make a guess with some more info. :)

davelu 08-01-2005 17:26
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link's down. :( [url]

hey, do you guys know any other possible links?

xxmaddjxx 08-01-2005 18:48
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from the link we can download the compiler. what about MPLAB, what version shoudl we be usuing... sorry havnt opened kit yet.

MrToast 08-01-2005 19:05
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Mirrored here as well:

*edit by Moderator*
Please refer to Dave Lavery's post here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=32453
The only allowable link to the new compiler is FIRST's website: www.usfirst.org
Thank you for your understanding.
*edit by Moderator*

They'll come down when the FIRST link goes down.

Dave

xxmaddjxx 08-01-2005 19:12
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
are we supposed to know the password for Sales.zip?

MrToast 08-01-2005 19:19
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Try the password "mpseven". That's what the password for the FTP site to get the files was.

HTH,

Dave

Venkatesh 08-01-2005 19:31
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Do we really need sales.zip or the other file? This directory doesn't seem to be dedicated to FIRST, but rather seems to be a generic resource directory.

Phil Roth 08-01-2005 19:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Venkatesh
Do we really need sales.zip or the other file? This directory doesn't seem to be dedicated to FIRST, but rather seems to be a generic resource directory.

The usfirst.com link is only to download the new compiler. Don't forget to download Microchips v7.00 IDE also. This can be done @ http://www.microchip.com/stellent/id...&part=SW007002

Scroll all the way down the page and click on "full install". The 2005 default project must run under v7.00 IDE.

jgannon 08-01-2005 20:07
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I think the issue is overblown. There aren't a whole lot of people who need a C compiler for PIC18 chips. Those who would use this software for something other than FIRST probably already have it. I understand what Dave requested in the kickoff video, but making sure that people know where to get this software seems more important than trying to hide it from a few outsiders, who would be able to track it down by us saying "It's on the FIRST website" anyway.

stephenthe1 08-01-2005 20:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TimeOut
Some people have written their own 'Dashboard' programs to monitor their bot. That is one use that would be kind of cool.

Sean
for the people who wrote their own dashboard programs, they probably have their own copies of visual studio. I mean, the software is very expensive, so why distribute it to everyone. also, why did they send two versions of it out? I haven't installed it yet. is it the full version with managed c++, c#, (of course the ability to open c files and billions of other files), java, visual basic, and etc.?

BandChick 08-01-2005 20:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Roth
The usfirst.com link is only to download the new compiler. Don't forget to download Microchips v7.00 IDE also.
We, in another thread, spent nearly two hours deliberating over whether or not to post tihs link. Ultimately we decided if you wanted to remind teams about the compiler to send them to the FIRST website ONLY

Joe Ross 08-01-2005 20:27
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Something doesn't seem right to me. You've been asked by a moderator to not share the exact link to download the software from microchip, and yet you then post a completely non password protected link to your own server.

Personally, if anything, I think the microchip link is better then the link to your own server.

Mark McLeod 08-01-2005 20:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BandChick
We, in another thread, spent nearly two hours deliberating over whether or not to post tihs link.
Phil's link is okay.
The MPLAB IDE software has always been available to the public and that particular link was obtained from the Microchip website. It is not the restricted C compiler.

russell 08-01-2005 21:02
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I started by downloading the compiler and installing that, then I realised that I needed the IDE so then I got that too. I installed them in that order. Then I downloaded the update to the compiler, but whenever I try to install it, it says there is not an installation of the compiler in the directory I selected. There is an installation of it there, so I havent the faintest clue why it thinks there isnt. Has anyone else had this problem?

jdhawg 08-01-2005 21:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by russell
I started by downloading the compiler and installing that, then I realised that I needed the IDE so then I got that too. I installed them in that order. Then I downloaded the update to the compiler, but whenever I try to install it, it says there is not an installation of the compiler in the directory I selected. There is an installation of it there, so I havent the faintest clue why it thinks there isnt. Has anyone else had this problem?

Check your versions. The full install is for compiler version 2.40 and the update is for compiler version 2.30. You can take an older one up to 2.30, or just install the whole 2.40.

russell 08-01-2005 21:16
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oh ok. I never thought of that. Your right.

Chris_Elston 08-01-2005 23:42
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Here is what I did.

I uninstalled version 6.30 MPIDE from last year.
I installed MPIDE 7.00 (full install)
I installed new complier (2.40)
During the complier upate I chose:
ADD MPLAB IDE C18 to PATH Varible
UPDATE MPLAB IDE to use this MPLAB c18
UPDATE MBLAB IDE to use this MPLAB Linker

I copied the default code into:
C:/FrcCode
(working from root, old habit, windows long files kills projects sometimes)

I opened MPIDE 7.0
Opened workspace to FrcCode
I edited the the project files:
PROJECT > BUILD OPTIONS... > PROJECT
I added a path to the includes:
C:\mcc18\h
which contains an include #include <adc.h>

Then I hit the debugger...bam...it's running in sim mode...

Hope that helps..

PS: I still don't know what I am doing, yet...but atleast I am trying...

TimeOut 09-01-2005 00:38
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chakorules
Here is what I did.

I uninstalled version 6.30 MPIDE from last year.
I installed MPIDE 7.00 (full install)
I installed new complier (2.40)
During the complier upate I chose:
ADD MPLAB IDE C18 to PATH Varible
UPDATE MPLAB IDE to use this MPLAB c18
UPDATE MBLAB IDE to use this MPLAB Linker

I copied the default code into:
C:/FrcCode
(working from root, old habit, windows long files kills projects sometimes)

I opened MPIDE 7.0
Opened workspace to FrcCode
I edited the the project files:
PROJECT > BUILD OPTIONS... > PROJECT
I added a path to the includes:
C:\mcc18\h
which contains an include #include <adc.h>

Then I hit the debugger...bam...it's running in sim mode...

Hope that helps..

PS: I still don't know what I am doing, yet...but atleast I am trying...
I think if you install the compiler first, then the MPLab 7.0 it will pickup the locations of the compiler and libraries. I didn't have to point MPLab at anything before running it. I did uninstall ALL the previous components (IFI Loader, MPLab and Compiler).

Sean

Chris_Elston 09-01-2005 00:49
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimeOut
I think if you install the compiler first, then the MPLab 7.0 it will pickup the locations of the compiler and libraries. I didn't have to point MPLab at anything before running it. I did uninstall ALL the previous components (IFI Loader, MPLab and Compiler).

Sean
Makes sense. Thanks Sean.

the_undefined 09-01-2005 01:26
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The Microchip Download Link seems to be offline right now!? Anybody else with problems?

nukem 09-01-2005 01:35
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I know we are getting the MC18 compiler but while surfing around I found the MC30 compiler. What is the difference between the two? In the readme is says the source is under the GNU licence, were can I get the source for the MC18 or MC30?

the_undefined 09-01-2005 12:14
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
I still can't download the new Compiler. Does anybody know a mirror link?
(I go to usfirst.org -> Microchip Software downloads) and get a Site not found Error. :confused:

Tom Bottiglieri 09-01-2005 12:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the_undefined
I still can't download the new Compiler. Does anybody know a mirror link?
(I go to usfirst.org -> Microchip Software downloads) and get a Site not found Error. :confused:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=32351

the_undefined 09-01-2005 12:48
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri
Thats the Camera Software / Documentation. I'm looking for the new C18 Compiler.

MrToast 09-01-2005 14:52
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
I have a mirror that will be available on my site until Saturday the 15th of January, after which it will be removed:

*edit by Moderator*
Please refer to Dave Lavery's post here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=32453
The only allowable link to the new compiler is FIRST's website: www.usfirst.org
Thank you for your understanding.
*edit by Moderator*

Dave

doyler 09-01-2005 14:57
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Where can we get MBLAB 7

emersont49 09-01-2005 15:54
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrToast
I have a mirror that will be available on my site until Saturday the 15th of January, after which it will be removed:

*edit by Moderator*
Please refer to Dave Lavery's post here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=32453
The only allowable link to the new compiler is FIRST's website: www.usfirst.org
Thank you for your understanding.
*edit by Moderator*

Dave
Thanks for the link. That allowed me to download the code. I couldn't open sales.zip though. I tried the suggested password (mpseven) and that didn't work.

Any ideas?

the_undefined 09-01-2005 16:25
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrToast
I have a mirror that will be available on my site until Saturday the 15th of January, after which it will be removed:

*edit by Moderator*
Please refer to Dave Lavery's post here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=32453
The only allowable link to the new compiler is FIRST's website: www.usfirst.org
Thank you for your understanding.
*edit by Moderator*

Dave
Thx a lot!!! You saved me : )! Thanks!
:)

Astronouth7303 09-01-2005 16:45
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nukem
I know we are getting the MC18 compiler but while surfing around I found the MC30 compiler. What is the difference between the two? In the readme is says the source is under the GNU licence, were can I get the source for the MC18 or MC30?
DON'T GET THE MCC30 COMPILER!

Any code you compile with it will be made for another processor (Probably PIC30s). We're using a PIC18, so use the MCC18 compiler.

hoag 09-01-2005 17:08
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
right now FIRST's link still doesn't work for me

the link to microchip's ftp worked for a short time earlier (about 3:00 est)
i was able download the files

maybe their server is overloaded?

Astronouth7303 09-01-2005 17:11
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hoag
right now FIRST's link still doesn't work for me

the link to microchip's ftp worked for a short time earlier (about 3:00 est)
i was able download the files

maybe their server is overloaded?
That sounds right. It worked last night, so try again tomarrow (or at 4 in the morning).

prograid 09-01-2005 17:36
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
I am completely confused by everything that has been said. As far as I can see the link on FIRST's website is down. However, the mirror that someone posted seems to work. What exactly do we need to download from there. Do we need Sales.zip, and if so what's the password (it's not mpseven). And do we need to download both First_C18_v240.zip and the MPLAB-C18-upgrade-v2.30-win32.exe or just one of them. Do we need anything in the Japan directory? (I don't think so but I'm not absolutely sure.)
Thanks

Ken Leung 10-01-2005 13:05
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dlavery
Folks -

Microchip has been very generous in their offer to make the new, fully licensed, commercial version of their compiler available to all FIRST teams. They are making it available to us even before it is available through commercial sale. It is incumbent upon us to honor and respect what they have done, and abide by the rules of the license.

The license they have given to FIRST does not allow any team to download the compiler and redistribute it to other teams. No matter how well intentioned, anyone doing so is violating the terms of the license. You are showing that we cannot be trusted as a community, and running the very real risk of forcing Microchip pull the entire deal off the table. Please remove any links to unauthorized distributions of the compiler out of all messages and threads on these boards, and shut down unauthorized distributions of the compiler immediately.

I recognize that it may occasionally be difficult to get through to the Microchip web site to download the new compiler, due to the traffic that they are getting. However, it is important that everyone understand that there are two - AND ONLY TWO - legal ways to get the compiler. You can be patient and try again to download from their web site during the two week period that they will host that option. Or you can wait until after that and request a copy on CD through IFI.

Please folks, let's try and show that we are deserving of what we have been given here, and let's not screw this up. If we cannot show that we can abide by the rules, then we will never get another offer like this again. Conversely, if we can demonstrate that we are good stewards of the generosity from Microchip, then perhaps other vendors may follow suit in the future.

-dave

Ok guys. Please read Dave's post here:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=32453

Please edit your post immediately to remove your links to download the new compiler and link to FIRST's website from now on. If you don't know how to do that feel free to contact any one of the moderators to edit the post for you.

Thank you.

dez250 10-01-2005 13:07
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
This also means if your hosting a mirror image of the download, please remove it.

MrToast 10-01-2005 23:36
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
FYI -

FIRST's agreement with MPLab prohibits the distribution of the compiler by anyone other than FIRST. Therefore the compiler link on my mirror has been removed. However, you can still get all the other files/moves there!

http://www.davedelong.com/first/

Dave

Ken Leung 10-01-2005 23:43
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrToast
FYI -

FIRST's agreement with MPLab prohibits the distribution of the compiler by non-FIRST people, according to a Chief Delphi moderator. Therefore the compiler link on my mirror has been removed. However, you can still get all the other files/moves there!

http://www.davedelong.com/first/

Dave
Thanks, Dave, for understanding. The links was edited so quickly because we don't want the Chief Delphi Forum and FIRST getting into any trouble. The decision was to remove the links immediately so FIRST can continue a good relationship with Microchip. It would be a shame to see FIRST or team 47 get into any trouble because of a simple misunderstanding on the allowable distribution method of the new compiler.

Coolp 13-01-2005 05:02
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
I see the ftp server of Microchip is down.
Some one knows when it would be back in operation?

P.S
Every one is sending me to First site to download camera sittings and i can't find them so put a direct url Please.
TNX...

Gamer930 13-01-2005 07:13
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coolp
I see the ftp server of Microchip is down.
Some one knows when it would be back in operation?

P.S
Every one is sending me to First site to download camera sittings and i can't find them so put a direct url Please.
TNX...
Try the ftp server at a slow time during the day.

http://www.ifirobotics.com/camera.shtml has all the camera software and documentation

Chris_Elston 13-01-2005 07:20
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Maybe you can download the 60 day trial here:

http://www.microchip.com/stellent/id...&part=SW006011

Until the link comes back up.




Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamer2028
Try the ftp server at a slow time during the day.

http://www.ifirobotics.com/camera.shtml has all the camera software and documentation

Joe Ross 13-01-2005 09:46
Re: Exclusive IDE Download Link
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chakorules
Besides the 60 day student trial there, has anyone tried the upgrade version, to upgrade last year's compiler?


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