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Mr MOE 08-01-2005 20:29
Darn. There goes our strategy...
 
Now we (Team 365) need to change our strategy. We were going to build a tetrahedral-shaped robot named TETRA painted MOE green.

Back to the drawing board... :D

rangersteve 08-01-2005 20:30
Re: Concerns regarding the green paneling/green shirts
 
i think the best solution for this problem is simply gracious professionalism.

if the green teams (including mine) limit the use of green on their robot and wear a apron or something until autonomous is over i think we all can have fun without any unfair advantage.

I hadn't thought about this but i will bring it up during the next meeting and suggest getting something for the field crew. I think all green teams should do the same.

Simply GRACIOUS PROFESSIONALISM!!!

Kyle 08-01-2005 20:31
Re: Darn. There goes our strategy...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr MOE
Now we (Team 365) need to change our strategy. We were going to build a tetrahedral-shaped robot named TETRA painted MOE green.

Back to the drawing board... :D
u weren't spoused to tell anyone great now we have to start all over again with a new name...

Petey 08-01-2005 20:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Marra
I notice a lot of people are posting about using the camera system to find "blue" and "red" and "yellow".

Really? My impression was you were just going to home into the green color that's only on the vision tetras. No need to look for other colors, the green is all you're interested in.

What was your thinking?
I think that some teams will use it to home in on other colors. If you wanted your robot to go straight to the loading dock during autonomous mode so you could start picking up tetras ASAP, this would be the logical choice. And if there was another yellow robot, it could be devastating, no?

--Petey

doyler 08-01-2005 20:52
Re: Concerns regarding the green paneling/green shirts
 
Why do the red, blue, and yellow really matter?

I can understand the green, but not the red yellow, and blue

Specialagentjim 08-01-2005 21:04
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[Cheap 70s Batman Narrator voice] Could this be the end of the fearful MOE? Could this be the start of the demise of thunderchickens? Tune in next week to find out! [/Cheap 70s Batman Narrator voice]


Seriously though, the question I think a lot of people are asking about is the unintentional locking on to a green robot. I think the more valid concern is a devious team painting their robot green and playing "follow the leader" with the other robots.

Not that I don't think it would be hilarious to watch any green team get chased around a field by three opponents, it just wouldn't be in the (dare I say it) "Spirit of the rules".

Petey 08-01-2005 21:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by doyler
Why do the red, blue, and yellow really matter?

I can understand the green, but not the red yellow, and blue
Red and blue are tetra colors.
Yellow is the color of the HDPE panels.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Specialagentjim
Not that I don't think it would be hilarious to watch any green team get chased around a field by three opponents, it just wouldn't be in the (dare I say it) "Spirit of the rules".
It's actually explicitly outlawed in Section 5.3, rule <R26>

--Petey

BandChick 08-01-2005 21:20
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I think Kyle is right, it probably WONT be a problem. Either the lighting requirements will be very specific or the flashy colors won't be in the same location as the sensors. I don't know how many people are really going to bother with blue, red, and yellow, seeing as it's purpose is the same idea. Unless you want to like...have your robot go for an opposing color. Hrm...

jgannon 08-01-2005 21:24
Re: Concerns regarding the green paneling/green shirts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petey
Red and blue are tetra colors.
They are also the color of the panels at the loading stations, if you were so inclined to go there.

dm0ney 08-01-2005 22:01
Re: Concerns regarding the green paneling/green shirts
 
All I have to say is ThunderChickens...


We are a veteran team with our green colored shirts. The programmers havent had a chance to experiment with color settings but you can believe it when we say we will test colors and lighting like none other.

Just to toss something out there... the controller is definitely powerful even though all programmers gripe. A comparison between colors might not be a bad idea taking into account that the carpet is the same color gray. If at beginning of match, take a reading of the carpet and then look for something 'different.' You can expand on that to include ranges for the different readings of red vs blue vs yellow vs green vs gray with some finesse. This is just an idea, I cant say it will work but I do know that 1. Treat the camera as a digital switch cannot be a bad idea where it sees carpet or something 2. We and other teams will probably be investigating the camera very deeply.

Our robot when wearing its protective skirt last year was definitely a 4.5' x 30" x 36" 'ThunderChicken Green' blob riding on anodized blue.


It will be interesting to see what FIRST says.

Petey 08-01-2005 22:56
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I'll make sure to post FIRST's reply.

--Petey

aaronD341 08-01-2005 23:00
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If they make any new rules regarding shirts well then my sympothy goes out to you MOE

Enterprize 09-01-2005 00:53
Re: Concerns regarding the green paneling/green shirts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dm0ney
A comparison between colors might not be a bad idea taking into account that the carpet is the same color gray. If at beginning of match, take a reading of the carpet and then look for something 'different.' You can expand on that to include ranges for the different readings off red vs blue vs yellow vs green vs gray with some finesse.
That actually sounds (to me) like a very good idea, it could most likely help with lighting differences encountered between practice competition.

But what sounds good in theory does not always work well in reality -_-; so we'll see

Mouse 09-01-2005 01:13
Re: Concerns regarding the green paneling/green shirts
 
I personally never thought of this.

I'm pretty sure they're not going to ban the use of all greens, reds, blues, and yellows.

But this does indeed pose a problem.

Question: I know the tetras are blue and red, but what would you need to seek them out for? Unless maybe from the automated loading dock (in autonomous mode)... but surely you wouldn't make them look for the blue/red on the vision tetras, because it'd be twice the work, right?

RbtGal1351 09-01-2005 01:13
Re: Concerns regarding the green paneling/green shirts
 
whoah whoah whoah, do we know what SHADE of green we'll be going for??? we didnt get a sample of green in OUR kit! (and it wasnt on the list either). :confused:
sooo will we just test w/ some sort of nylon green? what if its different?!!?! :ahh:


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