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Jeff Rodriguez 26-01-2005 14:47
Re: Q/A questions so far..
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyPrib
fyi Ref:
ID: 1045 Section: 4.3.3 Status: Answered Date Answered: 1/11/2005
Q: How long may a robot occupy a loading zone? Is there a time limit?
A: No limit as long as it is your own area.

ID: 1097 Section: 4.3.3 Status: Answered Date Answered: 1/16/2005
Q: Question ID#1045 states that there is no time limit for occupying your own loading zone. What is the time limit for occupying an opponents loading zone?
A: There is none

I am not quite sure how they "don't" contradict each other. To me, it seems like they do... But, bottom line, it sounds like you don't have any time limit to sit in any loading zone, so long as you don't violate the G15 rules, or any other rules.
Everyone is reading in the wording too much and not seeing the intention.

It seems ID 1045 implies that there is a time limit for occupying an opponents loading zone. ID 1097 states that there isn't a time limit. Question answered.

Sam Lipscomb 26-01-2005 14:50
Re: Q/A questions so far..
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyPrib
I am not quite sure how they "don't" contradict each other. To me, it seems like they do... But, bottom line, it sounds like you don't have any time limit to sit in any loading zone, so long as you don't violate the G15 rules, or any other rules.
I'm assuming that they mean there are no specific time limits at all...but once you are in your opponent's loading zone, there is a limit. It isn't a time limit, but you have to leave the loading zone if your opponent attempts to grab a tetra, and so you are limited to when you can be in the loading zone.

dlavery 26-01-2005 16:07
Re: Q/A questions so far..
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyPrib
ID: 1309 Section: 4.3.3 Status: Answered Date Answered: 1/25/2005
Q: Answers to 1045 and 1097 implicitly contradict each other. Which is correct?
A: They are independent and both are correct.

fyi Ref:
ID: 1045 Section: 4.3.3 Status: Answered Date Answered: 1/11/2005
Q: How long may a robot occupy a loading zone? Is there a time limit?
A: No limit as long as it is your own area.

ID: 1097 Section: 4.3.3 Status: Answered Date Answered: 1/16/2005
Q: Question ID#1045 states that there is no time limit for occupying your own loading zone. What is the time limit for occupying an opponents loading zone?
A: There is none

I am not quite sure how they "don't" contradict each other. To me, it seems like they do... But, bottom line, it sounds like you don't have any time limit to sit in any loading zone, so long as you don't violate the G15 rules, or any other rules.
As I read it, #1045 says that there is no time limit for occupying your own loading zone. It does not say anything one way or the other about your opponent's loading zone. #1097 says that there is no time limit for occupying your opponent's loading zone, and does not say anything about your loading zone. Those are two independent statements, and they do not appear to be mutually exclusive. #1405 is true, and #1097 is true, so #1309 makes logical sense.

-dave

AmyPrib 26-01-2005 23:51
Re: Q/A questions so far..
 
The questions were answered well in Q/A. I think the "as long as you're in your own area", was initially read by some as implying you might have a time limit if in opponent's area.
But the second question clearly answers that. Just an interpretation of the first answer prior to the second question having been asked/answered.

I think FIRST has done a good job in addressing all the questions that have come up, and there weren't really that many to begin with that weren't answered in the manual. That's pretty good...

Kit Gerhart 28-01-2005 08:39
Re: Q/A questions so far..
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyPrib
ID 1025 -- Regarding <G13>: May a robot retrieve a tetra from the automated loading station without being in the automated loading zone? Question already asked in Q/A, asking to define parameters of loading zone. Also discussed on CD, interpreting rules implies you need to be touching some part of the floor triangle to be "in" the LZ.
The updates so far seem to be saying that you do, in fact, have to be touching the blue/red triangle to be "in" the loading zone, but it seems unlikely that that is what the rules makers really intended. What the interpretations are saying is that, assuming you have a drive with wheels near the corners, if you drive up centered on the loading zone, you have to drive up REAL CLOSE to the field border in order to be in the zone, but if you are off-center from the LZ, you can be back much farther and still have a wheel on the triangle. It sounds like referees are going to be very busy looking for wheels on triangles.


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