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tkwetzel 13-01-2005 11:54

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Originally Posted by nartak
4) Apple isn't the best at everything. Steve Jobs hasn't gotten it through his skull that people want MOVIES on portable platforms like the iPod, not just music. :mad: When will these people learn?

I do agree that Apple isn't the best at everything, but I do like the iPods. I think they got half way to the video iPod with the iPod photo and I believe that within the next year (maybe 2) we will see the iPod video. Video requires much more processing and data storage than music, so it will take them longer to develop. I think that if Apple can make one and keep it close in size to current iPods, then they will have a great product.

Joe Matt 13-01-2005 12:01

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Originally Posted by nartak
Alright, I've got just three, err... four comments to make:

1) Isn't the "Apple Lossless" format just another way of saying "copy-proof WAV file"?

No, there is no DRM anywhere on the apple lossless format

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Originally Posted by nartak
4) Apple isn't the best at everything. Steve Jobs hasn't gotten it through his skull that people want MOVIES on portable platforms like the iPod, not just music. :mad: When will these people learn?

Because you have tons of movies on your computer leggaly, right? Oh wait...

The point is there is no way that companies can agree upon to get movies onto these movie players. There is no content out there that Apple won't get sued over. It shows, nobody is buying digital video players because there IS NO DEMAND NOW. Apple is working on one, but I wouldn't expect to see it till some sort of legal movie store opens, same with importing from DVDs.

MrToast 13-01-2005 13:50

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The world can't handle portable movies like what you're asking for, yet. There are a couple reasons. One is that there isn't a compression scheme good enough (except for possibly the new H.264, but that won't be world-accessible for a couple more months) to keeps movie at a quality good enough to watch but still small enough to keep it transferrable. Second is that there really isn't a player that has enough storage to make pursuing a video player worthwhile. The iPod photo comes close with 60 GB, but a 100 movie library pales in comparison to a 10,000 song library. Third is battery life. You're asking for a player that can show a moving image and output audio on a device the size of a deck of cards.... For one it will run very hot, and two, the battery life will be less than stellar unless you turn the contrast way down and have the volume next to nothing. Fourth is that organizations such as the MPAA are schizophrenic. They don't know what format to go with on movies. You can get DVDs in a ton of formats, like the Microsoft DVD format (whatever it's called), MPEG2, MPEG4, not to mention these whole new Blu-Ray discs that will be coming out soon.... In addition, movies are a much more profitable venture than music, and the MPAA is not about to give up its profit margins by turning mainstream video lose into a pack of rabid consumers with super iPods....

Yeah, not anytime soon.

Apple Lossless is a non-lossy audio codec. It makes files about half the size of pure WAV files. No it's not DRM'd or anything like that.

Dave

Ryan Dognaux 13-01-2005 15:20

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So... speaking of iPods, what do you guys think about the iPod Shuffle? I think it's a little overpriced for what it offers.

Oh, and I love the disclaimer seen here at the bottom of the page - "Do not eat iPod shuffle."

Classic :]

Joe Matt 13-01-2005 15:37

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Originally Posted by Ryan Dognaux
So... speaking of iPods, what do you guys think about the iPod Shuffle? I think it's a little overpriced for what it offers.

Oh, and I love the disclaimer seen here at the bottom of the page - "Do not eat iPod shuffle."

Classic :]

Overpriced? It's cheaper than many other 512 & 1 gig players! I'm getting one as a flash drive and as a second 'sport' mp3 player.

Twstdkittie 13-01-2005 15:38

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Originally Posted by Ryan Dognaux
So... speaking of iPods, what do you guys think about the iPod Shuffle? I think it's a little overpriced for what it offers.

Oh, and I love the disclaimer seen here at the bottom of the page - "Do not eat iPod shuffle."

Classic :]

Don't eat it? But it's so crunchy and delicious!! :) Well, I guess they wouldn't have bothered if someone hadn't done it. Weird.

MrToast 13-01-2005 17:14

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Originally Posted by Ryan Dognaux
Oh, and I love the disclaimer seen here at the bottom of the page - "Do not eat iPod shuffle."

Classic :]

I'd say they put that because they keep comparing the size to a pack of gum... there's always someone who'll confuse the two and sue....

Either that or a webmaster was having a bit of fun :yikes:

MrToast

Conor Ryan 13-01-2005 17:49

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they say the
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Do not eat iPod shuffle.
very professionally, its pretty funny. I've weighed to pros and cons of it already and its pretty intresting, Pros=more space for the price, 512 and 1 gig for 100 and 150 is quite the deal, most are up around 175-250 ever for the 512 ones. But the con and this is pretty obvious, no display screen, you can't tell what song your listening to. Well you get what you pay for and nobody is getting my 20 gig one, i got the rules on it.

oh i heard this on some mac rumor sites, after they start shipping the Shffle out they are probably gonna phase out the mini, thats ok the zen micro is better for the size. Oh and anyone see that newe 500 dollar mac they are shipping too, the Mac Mini, they look decent, and nice and small.

pakrat 13-01-2005 17:53

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what about a Dell DJ? do they store notes?

CJO 13-01-2005 21:22

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Could someone who has made linked txt or cntact files post them for the rest of us too lazy to do it ourselves.

Ryan Dognaux 13-01-2005 22:01

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Originally Posted by JosephM
Overpriced? It's cheaper than many other 512 & 1 gig players! I'm getting one as a flash drive and as a second 'sport' mp3 player.

Woah, you're right, I guess I was thinking of the 256 MB ones or something, that's a good price even if there is no display. I like the built in USB connector, it's spiffy.

Adam Richards 13-01-2005 22:45

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Originally Posted by Twstdkittie
Don't eat it? But it's so crunchy and delicious!! :) Well, I guess they wouldn't have bothered if someone hadn't done it. Weird.

You mean like how they mention Gerbils as an alternate power source in the FIRST rules for whether a part is legal or not?

ahecht 14-01-2005 01:47

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Originally Posted by CJO
Could someone who has made linked txt or cntact files post them for the rest of us too lazy to do it ourselves.

Contact files are in my above post. Linked text is below. Unzip the whole thing (including the 'subnotes' folder) to your notes directory.

KyleGilbert45 14-01-2005 09:55

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Originally Posted by JosephM
BS. There are rumors of them bumping the specs soon. Remember, they are going after the high and low end flash markets.

I thought this thread was suppose to be about putting the FIRST rules on your iPod or any other type of handheld device.

Joe Matt 14-01-2005 10:09

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Originally Posted by KyleGilbert45
I thought this thread was suppose to be about putting the FIRST rules on your iPod or any other type of handheld device.

Yeah, sorry, but you know how these things get..... sorry.


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