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piconysm 30-03-2002 23:04

what i see after the competition
 
Hi everyone, I am Antonio from team 971, and we just finished our regional today. We ranked 16/49. We are a rookie and we are proud of what we did and the result of the game.
For the final round, the campionship, the top 8 teams are supposed to choose 2 other teams to compete. but our team didn't get picked. I know that they don't have to pick us, and they have their choice. But, are we that bad? Be honest to you all, we are not at all. then how could those ranked like 20 something could have been picked and we not? Did they judge it reasonably before they choose?
Probably I am wrong, but I found that many teams were giving off stuffs to sell their team. Well, I am not against this idea, but, does that help? Is the money playing game or the robot? I am kind of confuse right now. And furthermore, some teams that have money can participate in many other regionals to increase their chances to get in the final. Well, again, money game. Should this rule be cancelled?
I'm most probably wrong, but I learn. And I am still proud of my team and our robot which is made by our own hands from our own scratches. I believe our team will let this honesty and "gracious professionalism" go on. I would like to hear your opinion to correct my tilted mind. Peace for all.

AL

Kris Verdeyen 30-03-2002 23:20

Re: what i see after the competition
 
Quote:

Originally posted by piconysm
Probably I am wrong, but I found that many teams were giving off stuffs to sell their team.
The practive of giving away buttons has the nice side effect of making your team more visible to the others at competition. Otherwise, it's easy to fade into the crowd. But there's no quid pro quo for teams that give buttons away. First of all, they'll give the buttons to anyone. And second of all, a team won't pick another team simply because they happened to have pretty buttons.

There are lots of reasons a team might pick a lower ranked team -
- a lower ranked team might have had a bunch of bad draws, but actually had a good robot.
- a higher ranked team had a few high scoring matches simply because of quality partners.
- A team, like 365, has a robot designed to score poorly, but to win every match.
- Some robots are just better matched as alliance partners than others.

Even including these reasons, though, it sometimes comes down to selling your robot. If you see that your team isn't going to be in the top 8 seeds, go bend the ear of someone who is. Tell them what your robot could do as an alliance partner for them. Don't be shy! You've got a good robot and you know it, make sure that those picking know it too.

Dima 30-03-2002 23:27

You guys had a great robot. Congrats on being 16th out of 49 ,our team was 18th and think that this year the game the qualiffication standings don't matter as much as last year or years before. Some teams just have bad rounds and fall down even though they have great robots. There is nothing us the low seed teams can do about picking.

The money has NOTHING to do with this teams give other teams awards because they want to condradulate the teams for thier hard work and efforts. Money DOESN'T buy you a win hard work, team work all those get you the win.

asher 30-03-2002 23:41

Sometimes teams don't like to pick rookies just for the fact that they are rookies, sometimes the way things work just isn't the best, you guys still did great, do that well next year and you'll most likely be in finals, keep it up.

ashley
-proud to be a 31er

Turbo 30-03-2002 23:52

rookies
 
hey, theres nothing wrong with rookies, we got highest rookie seed (wohoo) and we made it to semifinals, (mainly cuz we drafted 2 pretty good teams and had awesome strategery), but theres nothing wrong with rookies, go 840!

Perseus 30-03-2002 23:55

Quote:

then how could those ranked like 20 something could have been picked and we not?


i dont know what your robot does but it could be that you dont fit into other people's stratgies. If you get balls, the team picking might do the same and decde not to get a ball getter. THey are a lot more similar situations

i think that we do benefit from our appearance(lime green shirts) because we might stick out or be thought of first because of our appearance or give aways. I guess that might be a factor, but not a big one

patrickrd 31-03-2002 00:15

My team was ranked 35 out of 38 at New York City regional. We were picked second in the alliance selections.

The reason we were picked is because [we like to think] we have a great robot. We didn't really have any handouts.

The rankings really aren't a good indicator of a team for two reasons:
1) Random allies - You can get allied with robots that just aren't good time and time again
2) Crazy scoring system - Having a score equal to three times your opponents score is just nuts. Often some of the best teams end up on the bottom and vice versa.

- Patrick

piconysm 31-03-2002 00:54

thanks
 
I would say there are a lot of amazing robots out there that didn't get picked to the final.
I think the scoring system is not bad, just too complicate to understand. But this complexity also increase the fun of the game and the importance of tactic; and this require good communication and maneuver skill. Our robot only grabs two goals using pnuematic, and has a 4:1 gear ratio, which is very slow, and our robot looks ugly too. but how could we ranked so high? We can't blame on our alliance because of their malfunction or mal-construction of the robot; they tried their best. But we, as an individual team, should do our best to accomodate the situation and do our best.

shane86 31-03-2002 09:52

being picked
 
being picked isn't something that always has to do with rank...
like some other people mentioned....some bots get bad draws and they can't work themselves back up to the top 8, also some bots pick other bots because of strategy....if i team wanted to dominate all of the goals....then they wouldn't pick a ball bot, no matter how good the ball bot might be....because it isn't in their strategy.
personally i think my team (86) had an awsome ball bot but we still didn't get picked for the finals.....thats ok though, we should have better luck at nationals....

Perseus 31-03-2002 11:40

just to add to my previous post
 
We havent been ranked in both our regionals but were the first pick in VCU and the 8th in Phiily. THis is because our ability to score high QPs. When we grab all three goals, we win the match, but dont always get the QPs. It is very plausible that we score 90 QPs a match but it doesnt happen everytime. But in eliminations, this strategy would win everytime(i things worked) so we proved our strategy in the qualification rounds even though we did not score high

Matt Reiland 31-03-2002 12:42

The finals are for pulling bots
 
This year more than the past 3 expect the robots that get picked for the finals to be either tanks or 2/3 goal handling power bots. The robots that make great elimination matches don't match up that well with the robots that can score huge QP's with balls. To be certainly picked for finals this year you need to pretty much be either a fast grabber of at least 2 goals that can plant or an all out power monster. Sadly enough our robot dosn't fit too well into either.:(

Joe Matt 31-03-2002 13:45

You guys did great. We were 39th and still got picked because team 122 wanted a monoply over 3 goal grabbers (MOE and Sparky 3.0). There are lots of polictical things that each team goes through. Publicise your team more next year. Get your team noticed.

RebAl 31-03-2002 13:54

Quote:

Originally posted by asher
Sometimes teams don't like to pick rookies just for the fact that they are rookies, sometimes the way things work just isn't the best, you guys still did great, do that well next year and you'll most likely be in finals, keep it up.

ashley
-proud to be a 31er

In the L.I. regional our allience picked a rookie (810) we felt they were a good choice and most teams dont consider rank but individual performance (if they know whats good for them :) )

GregT 31-03-2002 14:17

Seeding points mean nothing.

As patrick said, my team (639) seeded 35 out of 38.

We were second picked for elim.

why? because we could do things otheres couldn't and could do them well. We were one of (if not the) strongest pusher with one goal in NYC (we lift the goal). We never, never failed to do what we told our alliance partners we would do. We said we would have 2 goals in scoring position, we had 2 goals in scoring position.

The reason we were ranked so low is a combanation of bad luck and (i hate to say it) but bad partners. I have nothing against 'bad' partners. Quite often our alliance partners would barely be in driving condition. We lost one seeding match because our partner didn't even bring their robot to the field (would have given us 10 pts).

Its just the way the game works this year, QP's mean nothing unless you are in the top 8. Teams don't pick based on team numbers, higher isnt worse- neither do they pick on QP's, lower isn't worse. From what i've seen, teams pick based on individual robot performance and on combatibility with their robot (a ball getter would want a strong goal handler).

My 3 cents
Greg

Kit Gerhart 31-03-2002 14:22

Sell, sell, sell your strengths
 
First of all, while it is not a pleasant experience, a team should not feel too badly about not being picked. Fewer than half the teams are going to be picked, meaning that a lot of good teams will be spectators after lunch. We are in the enviable position of being an eleven year veteran team which has done at least reasonable well in the last four years' competitions. Even though it is by no means "fair," this helps us to get picked at the competitions.

That said, there are a number of ways for non-qualifying teams to increase their chances of being picked. The biggest thing is to sell yourself. Know your strengths. Are you reliable? Can you collect and score a lot of balls? Can you push a goal with an opponent's robot attached from one end of the field to the other? Whatever your strengths are, you need to have a person or a few people who are good at selling your strengths to other teams, but without appearing to be bragging too much.

Try to determine what qualifying teams can best use your strengths. In this year's game, qualifying rank doesn't mean much. If you win all of your Q matches and have zero qualifying points, you will seed last, but will be a very good partner for someone. The bottom line is that, especially for a rookie team, ability to sell your strengths is what will increase your odds of playing after lunch on the Saturday of the competition.


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