Re: Cheaters in the bunch
 

As an adult member of Team 27 I am offended that some punk thinks we lost unfairly! We fought hard with the Chief, the Bees and Team 888(sorry i didn't get your team name.) They played hard and so did we! It was one of the most exciting final matches I have watched this year. The 47/33/888 alliance won fair and square and am honored that we played them for the gold! We did not feel like they stole the gold from us, rather we cheered for them and congratulated them on a hard fought and honorable win!!
I watched in the round before ours in horror as 888's go home device was outside the playing field. I was screaming at them to move their machine out onto the field to pull it out of the disqual zone! I did not want to see such an awsome alliance lose in such a cheesy way! I have made friends on both the Bees and ChiefDelphi and have not found any basis for your accusations! You should stay anonamyous, at least this way we think someone out here in cyberspace is stupid, giving us your identity will give us a target to remove all doubt!!

While it is almost not even worth setting the record straight, as this accusation was made anonymously with no details whatsoever, not to mention not even knowing what match/series he/she is speaking of, for the benefit of those not there to witness the matches, I can say from watching them personally that the charges made are totally unfounded if they are directed at Quarterfinal 2.
There were certainly "mishaps" in both match 1 and 3 of this particular quarterfinal, and ChiefDelphi and the Killer Bees certainly took advantage of them, but they in no way cheated or did so in a manner anyway unbecoming to gracious professionalism. In match 1, the 857/65/503 alliance was disqualified was damaging the playing field. Impossible to blame 47/33 for that. In match 3, one of our alliance robots tripped the 60 amp breaker a few seconds into the match. Again, impossible for them to "cheat."
I hope this provides more proof beyond simple reputation that there was no wrong doing on the part of 47/33. It is a shame that all too often a good reputation can be tarnished unjustly by unsubstantiated rumors.

Adam

This was the Deal
 

Chief delphi advanced in the elimination rounds partly based ont he fact that there was a dissqualification of an opponent alliance member on some rule by the officials, as all rules are final they were out of the match and out of their luck. if this is their way of venting their anger at a mishap, then i feel it is a post of serious immaturity and lack of respect for FIRST. Things can go wrong at a competition, but whoever posted this message should be reminded that a team such as 47 and 33 have contributed much to the exspansion of firsts influence and that first is about learning engineering and science. winning is only an added bonus. winning isnt what first is all about. maybe they shoudl ponder why in the awards listing, the chairmans award is always first, and the champions of the competition are underneath.

-TheChosun

Wow
 

Wow. I for one, being the chassis driver on Chief Delphi, would like to know what this is all about. We never had any intention of cheating. If in some way we did, I'd like to know how, so that it can be prevented in the future. If the person who started this thread would like to remain anonymous, feel free to private message me, or e-mail me at glace1847@hotmail.com. Thank-you to all of those who came to our defense on this subject.

This is just ridiculous
 

Well, I watched 47 get slammed once and said nothing about it because the unfounded rambling seemed pointless to dignify with a response. Now that my friends on both the Bees and Chief Delphi are being dragged through the mud, here's my two cents. Whoever is claiming that these teams cheated should head back to their optomitrist because their vision is clearly even worse than mine. I was up watching from the crowds in the first round, and down on the sidelines for all of the rest of the matches cheering teams on. There was no signs of cheating from anyone, just a really exciting, edge-of-your seat competion. It was one of the best that I have seen yet, well played by all of the teams. Even if I didn't know about the charachter of these teams, I would have no doubt in my mind that this competition was played cleanly and fairly.

Here's the kicker. I do know these teams. Over the past 3 years I have worked closely with these teams, students, teachers and engineers. They are my friends, they are my extended family. It's hard to sit idly by and watch jealous little people, too cowardly to openly address everyone about teams and people that I care a lot about. It's also not just that they are close to me. These people are all class acts, the kind of teams that Dean and Woody would want to use as the "how to make a team" guides if they were to do such a thing. They work hard, love the game, and help others whenever possible. I have learned a world's worth of knowledge from people like this.

So to make a short story long, if you have nothing nice (or at least remotely true) to say, then sit down, be quiet, and think about why you are so mad and angered towards golden teams like this.

I'm hoping that posts like this in defense of top-class teams like this will not be needed in the future, for mud-slingling like this should stay out of honorable programs like FIRST.

Congrats to everyone on making this a great season, and best of luck with all future endeavors....robotics and beyond.

Sincerely,
Rob Jenkins
Team #201 The FEDS

Re: Wow
 

This is just another indication of the class exemplified by the teams in question.

i am sick of this
 

give me and everyone else a break. "Hey" and all other anoynously created names are from people who are sore that their robot isn't doing well. I have some advice, deal with. Only three robots will win and there is no feasible way for teams to cheat. Pushing, shoving, and applying srategies are all a part of the game.
Whether people admit it or not, this is a competition. no team goes to a competition not wanting to win, so these feelings come out of anger that another robot won. Last year, MOE did great. we won a regional, came second in a regional andwon naionals, so i know the thrill of victory. This year hasnt been as successful. Even though we have won a chairman's award we have failed to get passed the first elimination match in both our regionals. However, i can guarantee that there is not one member of MOE who sulked about losing.

It is not only us. almost all the other teams that didnt win were congratulating the winners, talking with other teams, and having a good time. So, if you have accusations to make, keep them to yourself or at least have the balls to say it under your own name and team number. THats another thing. Why would it be posted anonymously? Because it would be too embarassing to your team and yourself if people knew who made the false accusation.

I feel sorry for CD, a great team whose only problem is that they are too good

Re: This is just ridiculous
 

Well said, Rob. I agree fully. Over the past two years, I have been thoroughly impressed with the level or Gracious Professionalism from 47 and 33. Any slandering of teams like CD and the Killer Bees does them a great injustice.

Also, to anyone posting anonymous flames about other teams or people, if you don't have the courage to defend your words and back them up with solid evidence, just keep your thoughts to yourself.

It's sad that with a competition of this magnitude and class there are still people like "hey" that do this.

Obviously "hey" doesn't know what they're talking about, so I wouldn't take any notice of them.

We all know CD doesn't cheat...So I wouldn't worked up over this "hey" punk.

And, just for fun, here is CD in action at the GLR (attatched file).