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Kevin Sevcik 01-03-2005 15:52

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That math there makes me think a bit, but I think there's one good reason and one good place to want to stack high. Stacking high limits the number of robots that can cap a goal you own. The one goal you'll really want to own is the center goal. The one goal that's already higher than the rest is the center goal. Thus I think you'll see some pretty tall stacks there.

amateurrobotguy 01-03-2005 17:34

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Read my last? signature :)

Rombus 02-03-2005 00:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik
That math there makes me think a bit, but I think there's one good reason and one good place to want to stack high. Stacking high limits the number of robots that can cap a goal you own. The one goal you'll really want to own is the center goal. The one goal that's already higher than the rest is the center goal. Thus I think you'll see some pretty tall stacks there.

Exactly, Personally here is what i think a power team would consist of: 2 Fast cappers, Maybe they cant cap higher than say 4 on a small goal or 2 or 1 on the center goal. Then one tall arm to play defense and cap the center and any points that become higher than the 2 fast cappers can.

Lil' Lavery 02-03-2005 15:10

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First off, the corner goals may also be as valuable as the center goal, not individually, but certainly at least one per match will become of high value to own. Not to mention, if you own all 4 corners, there are only 2 rows your opponent can get, vs the 4 they can get without the center. True, the center is only 1 goal, instead of 4, but still. So your going to need to concern yourself with stacking high on more than just the center goal(plus, because the center goal is taller, it is going too become to high to stack on for some robots very quickly, while the center goals are still accessable. This means your shorter reaching robots can still contend for them while your taller bots can fight over the center goal. An alliance with 3 robots that are still able ot compete is going to do better than an alliance with only 1 robot able to compete for the valuable goals).
Bottom line is, whatever goals are being highly contended for in that match, are going to be the goals with high stacks on them. Sometimes it will be better to go for another goal, sometimes it wont. For most robots it will be quicker to cap on the 1 goal higher than to cap 2 or 3 lower stacked goals.
Also, there will be robots capable of stacking large amounts at once, and they will help escalate the height of stack very very quickly.(Imagine there is a stack of 3 on a goal, then Team X puts 4 more tetras on at once. Suddenly it becomes a stack of 7, in the same stacking time, albeit longer loading time at the loading stations, as it takes to stack 1. Also, with many mechanisms, they will only have to be able to reach the height to place the 4th tetra, not all the way up to 7.)

Andy Baker 04-03-2005 00:41

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Originally Posted by amateurrobotguy
Read my last? signature :)

I beg to differ. Check out this match from Midwest Regional in 2004: 45 vs. 93. There will be many teams who can do this in 2005.

As for "how high"... my guess is that good teams will get stacks of 5-6 on a few side goals and 3-4 in the middle. As we get further into the season, those numbers will rise some.

Andy B.

Revolverx7 22-03-2005 15:47

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I've found in my matches that once a stack became higher than 8 that they become tipsy and hard to stack on. Especially once time starts to run low and the robots are in a hurry to finish a cap and get back behind the line, it seems that tall stacks are almost dangerous to stack, because if you drop a stack you lose control of that stack and any 10pt rows that goal was in.

Bcahn836 22-03-2005 16:19

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This one was done at the Chesapeake regional during Thursday practice.

Captain Rich 22-03-2005 19:33

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It is normally one of the side goals, where two robots drive to load, stack, and the goal keeps switching colours until you have a big stack of tetras. It turns into a gamble "I bet you can't stack another tetra on there without the stack falling".

EricH 24-03-2005 21:13

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Originally Posted by Bcahn836
This one was done at the Chesapeake regional during Thursday practice.

Practice is practice, and I believe the Wildstang photo was done at their facility (correct me if I'm wrong).
In practice, team 330 can stack seven on the center goal. I wasn't timing, so I don't know how many we had in two minutes. In a game, all we can score on any goal is 4 or five before time runs out.


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