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Greg Needel 04-04-2005 23:48

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
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Originally Posted by petek
Yeah, five would be weird - but if there were six divisions and then a three-sided tree to put new meaning in "triple play" ... Nah

Well, at least fewer matches mean fewer hikes back to the pits!


well we know that FIRST has atleast 5 fields because they were in play every week but from what i heard last year they might have 7, if that is the case more then 4 divisions is possible...

Collmandoman 04-04-2005 23:59

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I think they would have announced this by now if it were so.. it will altleast be better than last year instead of 2v2 for 400 teams.. 3v3 for maybe less.. I see them going to 6 next year =)

dez250 05-04-2005 00:04

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
I would expect the 4 playing fields (Archimedes, Curie, Newton Galileo), The main finals field, (Einstein) and 2 practice fields. That would fit the seven fields that would have been in use in weeks 2 and 4.

Greg Needel 05-04-2005 00:37

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
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Originally Posted by dez250
I would expect the 4 playing fields (Archimedes, Curie, Newton Galileo), The main finals field, (Einstein) and 2 practice fields. That would fit the seven fields that would have been in use in weeks 2 and 4.


in the past the practice field was the nasa field...but this there there is an offical practice with each truck...so i would expect to use those set up in an area by each pit, which still leaves the extra full fields

Dancin103 05-04-2005 08:40

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
I am not getting this!!!How can there be divisions if there are teams going that are not even on this list????? Well, i guess we will find out when FIRST actually posts the divisions them selves!!!! :rolleyes:

Kevin Sevcik 05-04-2005 09:08

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
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Originally Posted by Koko Ed
Now if FIRST really wanted to get crazy they could use a randomizer to set the divisions but there is too much risk of having too many powerhouses in one division or too many roookies and such. I think the 1,2,3,4 system makes thing easy on them.

Forgot to comment on this. You could do a mix of randomizer/grouping. Take the first 4 teams, randomly assign them to 1, 2, 3, and 4. Move on to the next 4 teams. You still get a mix of rookies and vets, but it's random now. Better yet, take teams in groups of 8 or 12 and assign two or three of each number to the group. That way there's a better chance of teams like 65, 66, 67, or 68 ending up in the same division for once instead of being numerically doomed to be seperated.

Also, 6 divisons still necessitates introducing a system of byes or wildcards. MLB is an obvious example of this.

Dancin103,
Who's not on the list that you're sure is going? It's possible that they couldn't afford to go even though they qualified.

Joe Matt 05-04-2005 09:21

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From what I have heard, there will be 6 field: 4 division fields, 1 FLL/Finals field, 1 VEX field.

So there will be 4 FIRST fields, don't know about practice fields since last year and this year we were just given a few goals and some tetras, not a full field. Don't know though, so take it for what it's worth, a post in the rumor mill.

Kevin Sevcik 05-04-2005 13:42

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Lil' Lavery 05-04-2005 14:04

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
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Originally Posted by JosephM
From what I have heard, there will be 6 field: 4 division fields, 1 FLL/Finals field, 1 VEX field.

So there will be 4 FIRST fields, don't know about practice fields since last year and this year we were just given a few goals and some tetras, not a full field. Don't know though, so take it for what it's worth, a post in the rumor mill.

There a 5 fields (1 for each division, and Einstein, the champ field), 1+ practice FRC fields, then there are several FLL fields (at least 2 game, and 2 practice, thats what they have at FLL regional competitions), and 1+ VEX fields (nobody knows yet how many).

@Dancin 103:
those lists were based on the teams that FIRST says has registered. Just because a team won a regional doesnt mean they are actually going (they might choose not to for whatever reason).

mhayon 05-04-2005 15:44

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So when does FIRST release the actual divisions?

Jay Trzaskos 05-04-2005 15:56

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
April 11th. I believe it was posted earlier in the thread.

Lil' Lavery 05-04-2005 23:02

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Woot, 116th post in this thread! :p

Do you think FIRST would benefit from a "selection commity" (NCAA b-ball type thing) type set up to ensure balanced divisions? It would be highly unlikely and highly unrealistic to do such a thing though (where are enough unbiased people going to come from?). Or even just a system that tries to balance the number of regional winners in each division, ect. Even if it is just a simple thing as just splitting up the winners, do you think it would help?

Koko Ed 05-04-2005 23:06

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Hmmmm! I see in this current version the old FLR winning alliance is in the same division. Could we be getting back together to make another run? I am intrigued.... ;)

Joe Matt 06-04-2005 09:16

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
Woot, 116th post in this thread! :p

Do you think FIRST would benefit from a "selection commity" (NCAA b-ball type thing) type set up to ensure balanced divisions? It would be highly unlikely and highly unrealistic to do such a thing though (where are enough unbiased people going to come from?). Or even just a system that tries to balance the number of regional winners in each division, ect. Even if it is just a simple thing as just splitting up the winners, do you think it would help?

No, it's still biased, and many times teams that win a regional arn't sometimes the best, and sometimes the teams they bring with them arn't the best. Remember, it's an exhibition until you add the variable of luck. :)

Andy Baker 06-04-2005 09:29

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
I am sure that many of us are creating our own team lists, only to have them altered when an additional team is signed up during these last few days before the Championships.

Can someone capture which teams have recently signed up, and then tell the rest of us about it? That would be super-swell.

Andy B.


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