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Kevin Sevcik 06-04-2005 09:35

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
My recent post is accurate up to team 1546. Team 1547 signed up after that post, and I'm too lazy to recreate the whole list at the moment. The last few lines should be:

Code:

1527 1539 1546 1547
1574 1577 1590 1592
1593 1595 1596 1597
1610 1619 1625 1628
1646 1647 1648 1653
1665 1671 1675 1676
1680 1700 1708


Swampdude 06-04-2005 09:38

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
I know 1466 is going to register, and then proceed to clean the house!

Collmandoman 06-04-2005 12:23

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swampdude
I know 1466 is going to register, and then proceed to clean the house!

I don't know about that :ahh: :) But we did just get listed today - Yippeeee
Can't wait to get down there and miss a few more days of school

Heretic121 06-04-2005 12:30

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
anyone know the EXACT date of when the OFFICAL divsions will be released???

thx...

Kevin Sevcik 06-04-2005 12:34

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Heretic121
anyone know the EXACT date of when the OFFICAL divsions will be released???

thx...

April 11th is when the offical divisions will be released on usfirst.org

Goobergunch 06-04-2005 15:48

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
This has (kind of) already been said, but the 2005 Championship Public Agenda includes:
Quote:

FRC Division
Round Finals
Newton, Archimedes,
Galileo, Curie 1:00-3:00pm
So there will be four Championship Divisions, with the names we all know and love. Unless FIRST is trying to trick everybody, which I severely doubt.

Incidentally, that schedule also suggests that the FVC events will be held on a "DaVinci" Field and that the FLL events will be held on Einstein Field.

Scythe 06-04-2005 20:53

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
I just wish it is like it is....223 and 179 is a scary combo...I really don't want to see that again. :D

Dancin103 06-04-2005 20:54

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
Yeah, the divison pairing should be interesting no matter what that list from FIRST looks like!!!It will be interesting to see how they actually divide teams up!!!Because if i remember from last year, there were tons of teams in our division that we never went to regionals with, and also in our division there were very few teams that had actually gone to regionals with us that went to Nationals that went into the same divisions as us!!

Kevin Sevicik
Sorry about that, with the whole"there are teams not on this list that are going" thing, i was looking at a different list of teams at the same time! my bad...ooooopppsss...sorry about that!!!!

Swampdude 06-04-2005 21:35

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
I was just thinking, those QP's are going to be incredibly important with only 6 seeding matches at Nationals. There's going to be a lot of 6-0 teams. Which means there's likely to be very few "strong" teams in the top eight in each division. Especially when you mix in the penalties issue. If you want a top spot you're going to have to make sure your opponents score well. In fact you may need to score for them!

Therefore lobbying and being "known" actually will come into play if you want to get into the finals. It's actually not a bad idea for some teams maybe to offer detailed scouting lists to the top eight teams. Maybe as a service you could provide the top eight teams with a capping average per team if they don't already have one. This might be annoying to some, but to those who weren't prepared this could save the day and keep the competition tough.

I know at Palmetto there were 2 teams that basically brought the kit chassis and nothing else and late Saturday were in the top 8 due to good alliance pairings. These teams got knocked down a spot on there last match, but had they not they actually could have made it into 4th or 5th seed. They probably weren't prepared with the detailed scouting info many had put together. This is going to probably be the norm at Nationals.

What do you think?

Greg Needel 06-04-2005 21:40

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swampdude
I was just thinking, those QP's are going to be incredibly important with only 6 seeding matches at Nationals. There's going to be a lot of 6-0 teams. Which means there's likely to be very few "strong" teams in the top eight in each division. Especially when you mix in the penalties issue. If you want a top spot you're going to have to make sure your opponents score well. In fact you may need to score for them!

Therefore lobbying and being "known" actually will come into play if you want to get into the finals. It's actually not a bad idea for some teams maybe to offer detailed scouting lists to the top eight teams. Maybe as a service you could provide the top eight teams with a capping average per team if they don't already have one. This might be annoying to some, but to those who weren't prepared this could save the day and keep the competition tough.

I know at Palmetto there were 2 teams that basically brought the kit chassis and nothing else and late Saturday were in the top 8 due to good alliance pairings. These teams got knocked down a spot on there last match, but had they not they actually could have made it into 4th or 5th seed. They probably weren't prepared with the detailed scouting info many had put together. This is going to probably be the norm at Nationals.

What do you think?



who said there are only going to be 6 seeding matches at nationals? i would look at the regionals with 60ish teams and see how many they had...i would expect 8.......if it were only 6 matches i would be extremly disapointed because that makes it almost $1,000 per match :p

Mirza95vx 06-04-2005 21:48

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That would suck Greg to pay 700 per match instead of close to 1000 LOL
dont look at the matches in cash value NEEDEL.

Didnt your mother tell you money isnt everything

JK


I heared it was going to be 9 seeding matches.

Collmandoman 06-04-2005 21:53

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
6 matches would be awful~ I talked to someone up there in FIRST and he said likely 8-10 -- which seems kinda difficult with 90 teams/ division - oh well we'll see on monday =)

Swampdude 06-04-2005 21:54

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
I saw it somewhere, can't remember. But it makes sense anyways, there's going to be over 85 teams in each division. There's no way they can fit in 9 matches. Unless they plan on actually using Einstein the whole time like they used to.

Ali Ahmed 06-04-2005 21:57

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
I don't think they will use Einstien but they might becuase there will be more teams. I think there will 7 matches, 8 if we are lucky.

Kevin Sevcik 06-04-2005 22:11

Re: 2005 Championship Divisions!?
 
Champs has 620 minutes available for seeding matches, versus 455 available for most regionals. Given 84 teams per division, 9 matches per team gives a cycle time of just under 5 minutes. 8 matches gives a slightly more realistic 5.5 minutes per cycle. 7 matches is probably the sweet spot for a cycle time of 6.3 minutes.

For comparison, Lone Star had a cycle time of 6.8 minutes, and we still ran into lunch on Friday. The fastest cycle time at a (Non-super) week 4 or 5 regional was 5.7 min at SVR. I wasn't there so I can't say if it was too fast, but it seems so to me. Even with veteran ref, scoring, and reset teams at Champs, I think 7 matches is probably the most we're likely to get. Maaaybe 8.

EDIT: Assuming perfect efficiency at switching Einstein from one division to the next, it would theoretically increase match time by 25% to 775 minutes. This gives a cycle time of 6.15 minutes. Since it's likely to be problematic for all sorts of reasons, it's more likely that it'd just solidify the number of matches at 8. This is disregarding whether the scoring software can actually handle running things like this.


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