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Re: BAE FINAL REMARKS

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Originally Posted by Kyuubi

we're trying.

I wasn't intending to disrespect my teams engineers, it's just the way I talk. Something more appropriate, but meaning the same thing I meant would be along the lines of "We still haven't figured out how to retract our arm without having the cables foul, because of the fact that the extend and retract motors run at diferent speeds, The motor we use to extend (Van door) is limited to 1 per robot (as I understand it), and the motor we are trying to use to retract the arm doesn't have enough power to extend it. We're at the point of trying anything to make it work, Including the random suggestion of a system of pulleys and the retracting mechanism of a tape mesure to keep the cables taut while retracting."

I just wanted to explain why we were forced to play defense instead of offence, even though we have an arm that can cap a goal just fine. If we used the arm though, we stood a good chance of over balancing because we had no way to retract the 11 foot arm.

First off, congratulations to all the BAE award winners.

Secondly, if you cannot figure it out, get help from other experienced teams. You will save a lot of time and resources. :)

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I want to start off by congratulating all the teams that competed in New Hampshire this weekend, you really made the matches fun to watch. As I said last year, I think that instead of being subtracted from the robot committing a penalty, points should be added to the other alliance's score. I saw a lot of matches where the losing alliance had zero points due to penalties. This ends up hurting the winning alliance because it brings their raking points down. But if those points had been added to the other alliance's score, or even if the ranking points had been given based on the losing alliance's score before penalties, the winning alliance would have gotten credit for allowing the other alliance to score, and not gotten penalized for something that they had no control over.

FIRST had done a great job closing loopholes and making sure that everything is spelled out as specifically as possible. But to ensure consistency among refs and among regionals I think that there is one more thing that needs to be spelled out.
According to rule <G12>:

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"The purpose of the LOADING ZONE is to allow ROBOTS to quickly and safely receive TETRAS without interference while HUMAN PLAYERS and/or field attendants are in close proximity, and then returnto play."

And according to rule <G15>:

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"A ROBOT may not interfere with an opposing ROBOT while any part of the opposing ROBOT is touching its LOADING ZONE and the ROBOT is in the process of retrieving/receiving a TETRA."

These criteria are pretty obvious for the automatic loader, but somewhat ambiguous for the human player. Does anywhere off the pressure pad count as "close proximity" for the human player? Does the human player need to be in the loading zone with a tetra for the robot to count as "in the process of...receiving a tetra"?
Due to the fact that 2 of the 4 quarterfinals in New Hampshire this weekend went into a third match which was ultimately decided by the refs' interpretations of these 2 terms, and the fact that a 30-point penalty is almost a guaranteed loss, I think that these terms need to be spelled out as specifically as possible.

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Here is a slightly off topic subject. Today I left a half-zip sweatshirt in the stands with my team and it seems to have magically disappeared sometime during the day. We were sitting in section 124, next to teams 58, 126, and 1073. If any of those teams, or anyone in general, has happened to see it would you please pm me? It says Buick Scramble on the front and Nike Golf on the left sleeve. Thanks!

-Tom

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The penalty that cost our alliance 1276, 157 and 190 that match was bad. It was a close call. Depending on how you impliment the loading zone penatly it either could have been a penalty or could have not. I would have to say our final quarterfinalist match against 133 1519 and the other team was one of the best matches there. We even had the announcer confused. :D

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Originally Posted by JMB1786

Did anyone else notice that the fire alarm went off at 5:01?

Yeah, me too. Really creepy.

And penalties are really a killer. I remember a couple of quarterfinal rounds that were decided on 30 point penalties.

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Congrats to all,

One major thing i noticed with this years game is that alliances mean everything. It seems to be near impossible to have one team carry an alliance this year. This was especially evident to me in the qualifiers. Many times you would see a good strong team end up with four or five matches where the alliances struggled because they had two weaker robots with them. Just somethings i noticed.

-Pat

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Penalties killed our team too!!!

We teamed up with Trinity and 501 but a penatly (30 pointer) allowed our opponets to move on.

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Hi Everyone,

Yes. The alarm went off at 5:01, exactly when 501 won Chairman's. It's rather ironic since last year when we recieved our trophy for being the regional champions, the time was once again 5:01.

Thank you to all the teams who have congratulated us on winning Chairman's! We are still in shock.

And to team 166, 40, and 1027 - thank you so much for picking us as an alliance. We're sorry about the penalty. We are still trying to figure out when the penalty took place because our video guy filmed the whole match - and we can't find it! Oh well. Good luck in the future. You guys had really great robots.

~ Jill

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It took the life out of us when the security kept telling us to not make so much noise with our drums and horns so we were really really toned down...

I believe that it is a recommendation/rule that you really should common sense with the noise makers. FIRST uses the term obnoxious.

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Originally Posted by Adam Y.

I believe that it is a recommendation/rule that you really should common sense with the noise makers. FIRST uses the term obnoxious.

hey you don't have to say that... 1037 had way more drums than us and they never got yelled at... FIRST is probably going to eventually just be a bunch of scouting all 3 days and no cheering at this rate...

thanks for calling us obnoxious too... we try...

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Did anyone notice that as soon as the fire alarm went off, two things happened. Team 501 was announced as the chairmans award, AND it was exactly 5:01 pm on the digital clocks in the arena.......

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Originally Posted by Pin Man

Sorry. Well I wasn't actually calling you obnoxious. I was just trying to point of the fact that FIRST recomends restraint with noisemakers. I should have continued on and said that those rules are never enforced or enforced haphazardly. Also, were you outside the arena with the noisemakers. I know I got yelled at for just baning those plastic things when I went to get something to eat.

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No... We never took them from our seats... We have about 5 drums I believe and we have 4 different horns all different sizes but we only used them when we were up (and we only used them like once or twice a match)... It was terrible for us on saturday because all the parents came up and took all our seats so half the team had to wonder around the stadium with no seats and it seemed wherever we stopped they were all over us...

and the thing that annoyed me the most was the lady sitting in the center in a folding chair and kept yelling at us before our match would end for us to leave so other teams could sit there but right in front of me there were members of 133, 121, 126, who just played in the match before us and were still there (and yes she was yelling at us and not them)...

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hey team 88!
i just wanted to say thanks for at least wanting us in your alliance...i was pulling for it. i told our controller right before we got picked that all we had to do was get past the fourth place seed picking and then we would get picked by you guys, but we ended up getting taken just before. thanks for playing some great matches both with and against us!

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Yes yes... another great team we were hoping to be with... 549... Great robot and great team members... I love the hair haha though we were thinking of holding you down and using some spray painting hair dye and writing 88 on both sides... hahaha