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Re: 3/10 UPDATE 15!

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Originally Posted by ahecht

I interpret rule G12 to mean that a robot may not use the loading zone in the way you mentioned. Never fully leaving the loading zone falls within the spirit of the the "perpetual safety zone" rule.

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<G12> The purpose of the LOADING ZONE is to allow ROBOTS to quickly and safely receive TETRAS
without interference while HUMAN PLAYERS and/or field attendants are in close proximity, and then return
to play. The LOADING ZONE is not intended to serve as a “perpetual safety zone” to prevent interaction
with opponent ROBOTS for the entire match. Tethers, tape measures, long extension arms, and other devices
intended to contact the LOADING ZONE to maintain the “non-interference constraint” defined in <G15>
while the ROBOT drives around the remainder of the field are against the spirit of the rule and will not be
permitted. Such devices must be removed before the ROBOT will be permitted to play in the match.

Re: 3/10 UPDATE 15!

Alright, I really hate to be the negative one, but I was just wondering how some of the First week Regional teams, especially those who are not going to another regional feel about about these changes. I mean, i understand about the whole making things more clear and safer for the people, but it seems that maybe some of these changes could have made a difference for some teams and even some of the rankings at the regional. I know that for our team one thing that would have been different is that instead of recieving a tie for a match that we would have won the match due to a so called illegally scored tetra that was capped on a goal. if we had those three points, that would have changed our ranking record from being 4-3-1 to 5-3.

I do want to get across that im not saying this to try and seem like i want to challenge what FIRST has said, but just get the input of other teams that are in the same boat as my team, in that we attend a regional the First week and now have all these changes that might have made some differences in the outcome of matches and the regional, possibly. Well, i guess this is enough ranting on my part, well not really ranting, because im not really angry, but just a concerned FIRST Student.

Mike O'Brien

Re: 3/10 UPDATE 15!

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Originally Posted by Mike o.

I agree, I'm not happy that a major decision like this has taken place that could have really affected prior regional rankings. I understand, but there is an odd precedent set here. What if the size of the triangles on the floor was changed after 4 regionals?

But at the same time the rule has gotten more harsh Mike. Now no part of your feet may be touching the outside of the rectangle, compare that to the triangle at VCU where all you had to have was part of both feet inside.

Re: 3/10 UPDATE 15!

from the update under modification of 8.4.1:
"...alliance. If an invitation from a top eight alliance team to another top eight alliance team is declined, the declining team may still invite teams to join their alliance, however, it cannot accept invitations from other alliances. The process continues until Alliance Eight..."

so does that mean if team #1 invites team #8 to join and #8 declines, then #8 cannot accept from team #2 but team #8 can invite other teams to join their alliance? >>lost<<

Re: 3/10 UPDATE 15!

Nehalita, yes that is correct. If Team #1 Invites Team #8 and Team #8 declines the invitation, then Team #2 CANNOT invite Team #8. Although Team #8 can invite any team they want from the remaining teams.

Joe, I see how the rule is a bit more harsh that both feet have to be inside of the Rectangle box, but i mean the other thing to look at is that the rectangle offres a larger area of "In the Loading Zone" than the Triangle did, even with the only part of both feet have to touch the triangle loading zone rule. I know it is a stretch to wish that something could be done to compensate the teams that competed in the First week of regionals that these rule changes affected, but you can't blame a FIRSTaholic High School Student for wishing.

Mike O'Brien

Re: 3/10 UPDATE 15!

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Originally Posted by ahecht

I have to say I disagree with the addition to G15:

This means that a robot can grab a tetra from a loading zone, move all but one wheel off of the zone, and cap (since a robot with a moderately sized arm is now within capping distance), and there is nothing the opposing alliance can do to stop them. Personally, I feel that if a robot is in the manual loading station, and the human player is back on the pad (i.e. the robot is enabled), the robot is done receiving a TETRA. Simularly, at the auto loading station, once a robot is "in possession" of a tetra, they are done loading (in possession would be defined the same way it is in football, a robot must be holding or otherwise in control of the tetra),

According to the head ref at GLR, during the drivers meeting he said you can take a tetra and sit there the whole match you please, but if you attempt to cap a goal, you are vulnerable to the defense of the opposing alliance...

Re: 3/10 UPDATE 15!

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Originally Posted by Stu Bloom

I understand what you are saying ... but it is a trade-off. In order to watch/see everything going on in this game it will require AT LEAST 12 referees (48 for the Championship). I doubt any regional will be able to field a team of 12 refs. This change takes a bit of the burden off of the refs as it is now clearly defined, and much easier to determine, exactly when the "interference" violation <G15> would be applicable.

Any thoughts on how the Update to the G15 rule affects the previous Update 4 examples #6-7? If the "process of retrieving" completes once a robot physically leaves the zone, and I can't touch him until he leaves the zone, then that means I can't block as in the case of Ex6?
http://www2.usfirst.org/2005comp/Upd..._Update_04.pdf
I might possibly not initiate the contact, but in blocking, there might be some pushing back and forth. Clearly their robot is not "in the process of retrieving" because he already has a tetra, but with the new definition, I guess I would be penalized in this case?