Re: Red Advantage ?
 

At GLR, they has a nice Plasma screen TV on the floor by the Scoring Table so that the red alliance could see the scores and stuff.

Re: Red Advantage ?
 

That's like saying there's a higher chance to get heads when flipping a coin than tails.

Honestly, how many teams that you saw were able to pick up the vision tetra?

Re: Red Advantage ?
 

Although at Hartford they set up a TV at the red alliance so if needed they could also see.

Re: The Plot Thickens!
 

Did British anthropologists also conclude that bright red coats give you an advantage in war? :D

I agree that there was a slight red advantage for last years game, Triple Play. The red tetras were easier to see. The field was asymmetric (regards to Human/Auto loading) so our autonomous was more consistent from the Red side.

The only things red or blue this year is the bike flags, the ramps and the trim around the goals. This shouldn't provide a significant visibility advantage.

If anything I would say that red has a very odd disadvantage. Red seems to go on offense almost every time there is a autonomous tie. I know it is supposed to be random, but it seems that blue rarely loses this random selection. Maybe I am just not remembering blue because they're blue.

Did anyone else notice this?

Re: Red Advantage ?
 

Actually it does.

Re: Red Advantage ?
 

Sorry, I just saw the year 2006, on the day and assumed it was recent. I apologize for bringing back old threads.

Re: Red Advantage ?
 

Indeed, blue is the least visable color on the spectrum I believe.

Why they use it for "high end" car headlights, I have no idea.

Re: Red Advantage ?
 

Yes, it is true, your eyes suck at blue. Just see this website.

HID headlights are actually white, not blue. There are two reasons for the misconception that they are blue:

a) Incandescent headlights (like all incandescent lights) are very yellow, so white HID lights look blue by comparison. Anyone who has ever taken a picture indoors with a camera lacking auto-white balance has seen this effect first hand.

b) HID headlights, like all headlights, are designed not to shine into the eyes of oncoming drivers though a series of reflectors and light blocking surfaces. Due to chromatic aberration, when the lights are viewed from off center (as you would always view them unless they are shining right on you), these refletors and blocking surfaces make the light appear bluish.

Re: Red Advantage ?
 

how about if you superimpose it to past years to see if there is a true advantage.

Re: Red Advantage ?
 

My apologies for digging up a really old thread, but I just saw this article... maybe there's more to the red alliance advantage than we previously thought. :p

Re: Red Advantage ?
 

Yeah, if you're talking specifically about finals, then I would point you to this too. Qualifications should be more or less 50/50.

Re: Red Advantage ?
 

For anyone interested, here are some stats I generated using the TBA API.

EDIT: Just a disclaimer, this is not my data. It is from TBA, and I made no attempts to sanitize it before processing.

EDIT: The blue min/max have been corrected.

Re: Red Advantage ?
 

What happened in 2007?!

Obviously, the exponential nature of the game might throw throw some monkey wrenches into the statistics (My experience with statistics consists largely of hitting the 1-var stats button on my Ti-84) but still, that's a huge difference! Assuming TBA has the correct numbers, is there anything that could account for that? Personally, I thought the 2007 Red Ringers were much more annoying to look at than the blue ones. This is very, very interesting.

Also, I might add it's wicked, wicked, cool to see the average scores for nearly all of my years in FIRST. A+ work! :)

Re: Red Advantage ?
 

I haven't played UT, but I'm guessing that if you're the red team, you'll be shooting at blue opponents. Perhaps it's completely a psychological thing (as the article suggests) and has nothing to do with vision.

My thought exactly! My first thought was that some of the eliminations tended to be blowouts with exponentially high scores for the red alliance. But the stats for the qualifiers seems to eliminate that theory. Weird.

Re: Red Advantage ?
 

I just had a thought. What about the Algorithm of Doom?

IIRC correctly it broke teams into 3 tiers, and selected one from each, selecting similar ones each time because it wanted even spacing, right? It seems like that could be a source of this discrepency, but I don't remember the Algorithm of Doom taking color into account...

Hmmm... I can't do any of this fancy statistics stuff, but perhaps someone else can. At the BAE GSR in 2007, 1276 played on the blue and red alliance an equal number of times (4 and 4) while 1519 played 6 on blue and only 2 on red. 133 played on red 7 times, and blue on 2. 126 was also 6 and 3. I'd be interested to see how this played out across a larger data set, and also to see how much times team spend on either side of the field in every year. Hmmm...