Re: AZ Regionals: Incorrect Scoring?
 

We had similar problems at Detroit, in fact I think they were as bad if not worse than the previous weekend at Great Lakes (same field kit). Thankfully we kept a offline system (Dr. Joe's Excel Sheet) running continuously throughout the qualification matches. At each break we audited the data and scoring between the two systems. All worked well until Sat morning, when we had to re-enter DQ's into the FIRST system. Alliance selection went well, then during quarter finals we suffered the same failures listed above. On a positive note, the field control worked better this week, buzzers and bells sounded at the appropriate times. Many thanks to Nick Wagers and Keith Jones (Volunteers) for keeping the two systems up to date and correct during conditions, that were at times extremely stressful.


My suggestion to all scorers is to use Dr. Joe's Spreadsheet (Available in the White Pages Section). Many thanks to Dr. Joe, the sheet made auditing of the main db much easier and increased our confidence in the system.

Cheers,

Ben Tower
05 GLR Field Manager
05 Detroit Field Manager

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I can say that there were also mistakes with the team numbers at SBPLI. According to the field display and the online match results, teams that weren't even in the finals were winning quarter- and semi-final rounds.

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I am not a big fan of Hatch, especially knowing the politics around why they are doing the software this year but I have to give them credit for fixing several of the problems this past weekend. Before this past weekend buzzers and other sounds would go off randomly, it seemed the computers needed to be constantly rebooted, and the displays never seemed to work. Most importantly the rankings never worked before this weekend, they had this cool live scoring feature but couldn't do the simple thing of ranking teams.

This past weekend most of these were fixed. There were still bugs that have been there since the beginning like the clock not displaying correctly (i.e. it would stay on 42 seconds for 4 seconds then jump to 38), buzzer sounding a few seconds after the match is over (at least it isn't random anymore), the team numbers still not displaying correctly during eliminations. The biggest bug that annoys me now is on the rankings when the Hatch logo becomes animated everything else stops waiting for it, if I was Hatch I wouldn't want my logo on any of this software. I am sure there are other problems with the software but at least they are not as apparent as they were the first two weeks.

Now for my opinions: the bugs that still exist in the software should have been the only bugs the first weekend. If they didn't have live scoring or other features that did not affect the game play I wouldn't have minded as long as the other items worked. It seems Hatch did not have enough organization to realize what was more important and to implement that first then do the extra glitzy things later.

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http://www2.usfirst.org/2005comp/Eve.../rankings.html

Question for you all...

Last time I checked this week (about a week ago), it was disabled due to FIRST not knowing the accuracy of the scores.

Well, now it's working again, but my team comes up in 23rd place and half the teams show that they have competed in 3 matches, while the other half says 2 for W-L-T. Are these the scores for just the finals part of the regional, or are they work-in-progress?

If anyone knows what these scores mean, can you please let me know? I'm a bit confused and I don't know whether or not FIRST is trying to reestablish the scores for the entire regional, or if they are just posting the scoring from the finals portion on Saturday.

Thank you tons!
Caitlyn

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If you notice, the link to that page has been removed from the regionals page (http://www.usfirst.org/robotics/2005/rgevents.htm).

As far as I can tell, those rankings mean absolutely nothing. My suggestion is to ignore that page until when (or if) it is linked again from the main regionals page.

Re: AZ Regionals: Incorrect Scoring?
 

Scoring system seemed to be working much better in Colorado. They only had a few crashes and they scorekeeper was experienced with the software and was able to quickly recover. Real-time scoring was on and off, IMHO it would be best left off, it covers too much of the viewing area on screen and in many cases the volunteers scoring real-time are not fully aware of how to score the game. This can lead to questions when the last seen score varies by a large amount and no penalties are involved.

Over all the Colorado Regional - venue and volunteers are awesome, if you haven't been before I'd put them on your short list.

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http://www2.usfirst.org/2005comp/Events/AZ/matches.html

Eh? Half our scores are missing, and those that are in are either a 0 or a 10. Riddle me this? Our team # isn't even listed in the Semi-Finals Qualifying matches.... ?????

Compare that to the Florida regional, the same weekend: http://www2.usfirst.org/2005comp/Events/FL/matches.html

They have all their scores in...why don't we? I know that old link that I originially posted was removed because it was incorrect/under construction, but this link is accessable under the Regional Events portion of www.usfirst.org/robotics, and the AZ Regional<Match Results.

What's up with that? :confused:

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I'm really interested to see how many issues we have at the championship, and how many people are willing to complain about them. If you have something to say about it, bring it up to the people responsible, not post on here where theres nothing going to come from it. Its ok to be upset, everyone has there own opinions, but without talking to the people who wrote the software, it seems rather pointless. I'm sure they would love to hear what you had to say.

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Funny you mentioned that. If you attended the drivers meeting tonight, you would of noticed that issues that people posted on this website (aside from a couple of amusing parts, like the question about the human loader triangles/squares, and the kid with the "HARDCORE EVERYDAY" shirt) were addressed by the FIRST Head Ref's for each field. They seemed to assure us that the scoring system was fixed also (and asked us not to mention problems at the regionals .. which is completly fair - FIRST knows their was problems, and there isnt anything you can do about it .. so why bother arguing with them?). Besides, bugs are to be expected. Was TacOPs completly bug free on the first year they used it? Of course it wasnt. Same thing goes with any piece of software.