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Please let us see the video. PM me if you need some place to host it.

Everyone can be the judge now...

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give me half an hour

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ok i got it on the comp
i will give you a link shortly.
i think it is funny how th anounser says "its a clean slat anything gose right now" at the beging of the match.
it is only a 23 second clip so it wont take hours to look at.

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I would prefer not to go to the video.
We are comfortable with the way we played the match, and satisfied that the referees decision was well reasoned.

Referees have a difficult time as it is and don't have the benefit of video review.

Thanks

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well vote all for video say yes all aginst it just say no. i will not let my personal opinon efect the vote.

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I vote NO, emphatically to the video being posted.
Just when it looks like this thread is getting under control, we don't need fuel added to the fire.
Team 358 indicated that they have accepted the decision and have moved on.
If you want to share constructive ideas please do so - but don't create even more controversy based on a video which will not add anything constructive to this thread.

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I would encourage you to consider the consequences of widely distributing the video. I would much rather see the discussion of this unfortunate event tone down. Thank you.

Philly Regional Head Ref

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as of right no the no side is winning so i will not post it.

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OK community.

With video about to be posted, I wanted to say a few words. As FIRST's Senior Mentor in PA I was at the event and had a chance to speak with members of 358 and 293 on the field and I've also corresponded with 293 to answer a respectful question via email. Those interactions I had in the last two days, while tense at times, were gracious, professional, and within the true spirit of FIRST.

Having been a team mentor I know how hard teams work and I know emotions are obviously going to be involved. The same can be said of volunteers and referees. As this thread proceeds, please question what your motivation is and what the possible result will be before you post.

Members from both alliances have posted as well as the head ref himself. While some don't agree with each other, it is in a healthy way and all parties involved have provided empathy and understanding for one another in this most difficult of situations. All parties have also indicated some desire to move past this, as everyone has had their point of view presented and we all understand the true meaning of FIRST has nothing to do with a referee's call.

The decision has been made on the field. The officials' decision is final and will remain so. Interpretation and application of the stated rule is not easy and we all already know it. If you decide to download the video and feel compelled to comment on it here, let's not go over old ground and let's not say anything that will stir up the negative emotions involved.

The point is made, let's grow and learn.

Respectfully,
Rich

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i need a lace to put the video. i will only show it to people that what to see it. i will not post it openly. plz if you see it dont go and postit all over te palce.

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Those who want to see the video ought to be able to see it. Those who don't want to see it don't have to. Let's not engage in self-censorship.

This thread is fine as long as it does not devolve into a string of ad homenim attacks. If that happens, I will support closing it down. Until then, the discussion should remain open.

About the consequences of posting the video? I can think of a few:
1. The discussion in this thread becomes more informed, intelligent, and productive.
2. G25 is made clearer and less broad
3. Referees are more hesitant to invoke G25

I think civil disagreement and debate is more in the spirit of GP that tightlipped acceptance and forced consensus. If we don't pay attention to these issues, how are we going to prevent something like what happened at Philadephia from happening again?

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thats great but i need a place to post the video on the net can anyone help me

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Well said Rich. What's done in Philly is done...we must move on. Also, thank you for all you do.

What I would suggest to anyone who has contacts as FIRST, if it's not being done already, is that they take a look at the rule, any video they have from many regionals where this has been an issue, and how the rule has been interpreted. If they are comfortable with it, then a statement could be made that upon further review, the rule stands as written. If they are not comfortable with it, then as stated in a previous post, changes/clarifications can be made at Nationals.

Since this is such a "hot topic", I would like to see a comment from FIRST prior to Nationals, but either way, FIRST is the best prgram of it's kind, and we're all lucky to take part.

Regards,
Scott358

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Here is the link. only whatch it if you whant to team 25 and 293 are not resposibule for any thing that hapens because of it. i will acept full resposobilaty.
keep this discution calm and polite

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As the driver I would like to clarify that there was no malicous intent. Given my view from the drivers station what I saw was a frame to frame push, and if I had any indication that I had gotten under 56 I would have backed off as soon as I saw it, but thats not what I saw. Becasue it happened on the opposite side of the field and I was driving towards myself with 56 blocking my direct line of site I never saw 56 get lifted from the ground. I guess what I'm trying to say is that had I had known I got under 56 the entire thing would have stopped right there before anything could have happened.