*mental note: Struggle infront of Melissa*

lol

works for me...

They like seeing us struggle,teh?

Well, I should start selling tickets, then:D At least then, the andrenaline and nervousness will be worth $$$. not :( :( :(

I could have a different way to go out every day: the dead conversation route, the boyfriend walking up, the parents rounding the corner...i could sell out entire stadiums with un- parelled feats of messing up entirely:eek:


:D j/k :p , None of the above stuff ever really happens to me, I can get out of conversations, and get out of msot otehr situations with some fast footwork and quick talking.

Remember:

Although "faint hearts never won fair ladies",

Discretion IS the better part of valor

So just pick one and go for it: what do you have to lose? (don't answer that:D )

No, it is probably a good thing that you don't want us to answer that...

I could definately give you a list of things that you have to lose.

The guys keep going on about how they don't understand any of the hints chicks give. I'm so obvious it's not even funny, and still nothing! One thing I would love is for the guy to actually go for it/ act on whateva... it just makes sense. I mean if a girl is totally obvious, just go for it! It really bothers me when you hear all the stories of the guy that never had the guts to tell that girl they had feelings for them and then they dwell on it for years. I think that's so dumb! I mean, go for it, again, what do you have to loose.. chances are you've already embarrased yourself around her a few times anyway! So just do it, cause I for one am sick of guys not acting on stuff, etc. Thanks.
*hugz to all as alwayz*
Ann-Marie -team 783

Ann-Marie - I'm like you. If I like a guy, almost everyone around me knows except somehow the guy because he can't take hints....bleh
I don't see why guys just go for it more often. We won't hurt them if they ask...and usually we are quite nice even if we are turning you down.

Well... sometimes there may not be hints... a little flirting here and there... grand.. but wut if its your good friend? And what if by persuing a relationship... you find out that she dosn't like you? And then becomes weirded out by the whole situation and then you grow apart... ? Then it becomes one big mistake... and you're not as confidant anymore.. and then you can't show/tell people wut u think eh? *Shrug* personal experience...

There's always the thought, though, that she may be toying with you, and waiting for you to mess up...

Yup, that's the #1 way to crush a man's spirit:(

'Going for it' is a big risk, and for some reason, it is vey hard to do. Much harder than bungee jumping: if that goes bad, you lose your life, if this goes bad, you lose...quite a bit of self confidence.:( That hurts, espcially if you've been saving it up for a special occasion....


(such as the Nats, or a regional:D ;) :p )

I know how you feel there, I was really hoping to meet a girl at nats, even just to dance with. But, alas, not many people were dancing, and the ones that were wouldn't dance with me. Oh well, there's always next year! :)

Stephen

Quain - To tell you the truth, I know how that is...one of my close guy friends was being extra friendly with me or so I thought, so I thought, sure maybe he wants a relationship...asked him on a date, I was rejected...we didn't talk for about four months afterwards, partly because it was way too ackward...but time heals all wounds, and we are now just a close as friends as we use to be. you and that girl should be better in time hopefully

Ben - It's also the #1 way for a girl's spirit to be crushed...

I know that when I finally got the guts to ask one of my friends out and he said no we actually got to be better friends because of it because it was out there that I liked him as more then a friend so you have to remember that there are two sides to this sort of occasion so you are better off just going for it ;)

but if you dont go for it you might lose the love of your life because you are afraid to take a simple risk and that would actually be worse.......I know that i would rather have a guy come right out and ask me out rather than just acting like they like me, but being to afraid of 'going for it'...... that has happened to me and that guy has now lost his chance with me because he was to afraid to ask me out..... so take your chances well you still have them open to you....dont wait forever trying to decide if you should or not

That's exactly what I'm talking about! People that end up living their life wondering what would have happened if they had asked that chick out back in HS. I mean you do hear about it.

Now back to the whole ruined friendship thing.... Last year I had thins thing for this friend of mine. In fact, the reason why we were decent friends was cause i kinda liked him so I wanted to hang out with him and get to know him better...So we ended up working on this final project in our tech class, it was a huge presentation and the first parts of it were during this janitors strike last year, so we had to work on it outside of school...well, we went to his house twice to work on it and everything, I had so much fun, and I liked him even more... so me, not having the guts to tell him, gave his # to my best friend who told him... he turned me down and was worried that our friendship would be destroyed. Yea I was crushed, but I wasn't going to let it ruin everything, so i sucked it up and we're even better friends now.
So here's my point: It only all gets messed up if you let it, and thus, you should just go for it cause chances are, it could work out for the best...
K, this is too long already, i'm done.
*hugz to all as alwayz*
Ann-Marie -team 783

Excellent point
 

Excellent point. Still, it is quite intimidating....

I know exactly how you feel. same thing just happened to me two weeks ago (which happened to be the night after prom). Asked the girl out and she said she didn't like me. Now i get to sit next to her for the rest of the semester in my psychology class and we have to do an hour long presentation in 3 weeks together :) sucks alot but hey, life goes on.

Hey Amy Beth, we never met in florida, i think i saw you a couple of times, although we never made conversation:( I hope we will be able to keep in touch.

email- gregsacc@juno.com
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Greg
a.k.a. Badjokeguy

Ewww psyc ISUs... don't remind me.... read the "i need help" post thing. But as I said above about that guy last year, it's not weird if you're determined for it not to be. I don't know why everyone let's it bother them so much.. yea, it didn't work.. sometimes it's worse if you did go out b4 you figured it didn't work, trust me! I lost one of my closest friends that way... and now I hate him because of his reaction to my telling him it wouldn't work. The point is tho, I got him to say what was on his mind.. and I said yes, because I knew part of me would alwayz wonder. Yea, we sacrificed a good friendship, but I would have rather done that then wondered what would have happened if we had gone out... atleast I know now he wasn't the guy for me... at ALL!
Point being: (I've had to do this every post lately cause I ramble on) again with the whole, carpe diem thing, just do it, because you don't want to have to wonder, it would suck! So sieze the moment and go for it, because yea, sometimes it ends in heart break, but atleast you can say you didn't let your fears get the better of ya!
Oh and Trash I love that quote on your signature!
*hugz to all as alwayz*
Ann-Marie -team 783

"Better to of loved and lost, rather than to of never loved at all"

Seems to fit...kinda...

If you try and get rejected at least you'll know.

If you never ask, you will kick yourself down the road BIG TIME for never asking - cause u will never know.

OK the lames lines I heard at nationals....Well since i was selling the raffle tickets for the atari my team was raffling, some kid said haha can i give you a dollar for your phone number. Why would you pay someone for their phone number? Oh and another one was, can I get a date with you two (me and my friend) instead of a raffle ticket,...The answers to both lines were NO!

But then if the relationship ends, you are left wondering what would have happened if this or this happened...bleh

True...But at least you had the relationship for a bit...at least thats my point of view...

And hey, I have seen people be friends, date, and then be friends again....

I think it is definately worth the risk to try the dating.

True, Harrison...

Wow.. I must say... from the size of this thread... us teens have a lot to say on the subject of love and relationships... wonder why....??? :D

Hmm... could be it's one of the most complicated topics that affects us...
*sigh**hugz to all as alwayz*
Ann-Marie -team 783

As John Lennon says "All You Need Is Love"

*breaks into song*

Maybe because love and relationships helps us get through our teenage years...

hahaha.... dood.. Harrison.. ur a nut dood.. and u live on this board... *Grin*

That reminds me of Moulin Rouge.....yeah!

I must say having someone...Not even neccessarly a g/bf...help out big time.

Just a friend or someone that yuo can be completely open with about anything...Everyone needs a someone.

yea.. def.. i get wut ur sayin.. its some nice stability when things are shakey and insane.. then college rolls around.. and you remember yo wanna party.. but you gotta be nice and faithful...

Awww quain , come on we all know Harrison lives on this board cause he has a thing for yearbook...
*hugz to all as alwayz*
Ann-Marie -team 783
PS. Devises a way to hide from Harrison in physics tomorrow

I think it's all about the balance...You obviously need to have your fun (isnt that what college is for?...lol)

But it is nice to have someone there for you at the same time...

It also is a good feeling knowing that you are the 'special someone' for someone else...Keep ya warm in the night :)

How true that is...It really does help just being able to be completely honest with a person and not being judge bad for it...

Is that true now,... I didn't know that....:D

Ann-Marie are you trying to get me in trouble?

And I do not live here...I am on here in the evening before I go to bed usually...After baseball, hockey, school, Leaf Games...all the fun stuff. :)

I'm sure you didn't....... lol! ha! Harrison's gonna kill me first thing tomorrow morning I can see it!
*hugz to all as alwayz*
Ann-Marie -team 783

Ooohhhh definately :D

Wouldn't it be unfortunate if the claw on the bot somehow grabbed your leg?

You two...behave... I don't want to see either one of you hurt...

Don't worry....You won't see it...

*evil grin*

ow ow ow! I can't even imagine. ugh... anywayz, my contacts are burning my eyes now, meaning it's time for me to study and then go to bed me thinks....
Have fun with this tonite.. and let's hope that Harrison doesnt actually kill me tomorrow.
*hugz to all as alwayz*
Ann-Marie -team 783

If Ann-Marie isn't on here anymore, none of you know what happened to her, ok? lol

See ya 2morrow Annie.

aww yearbook.. they're fighting over whether or not harrison likes you.. its almost like 4th grade... 'cept theres no skool yard... and no running in circles...

Harrison, be nice... don't hurt the girl...
we'll noticed if she never comes back...

I would never actually do anything to the poor girl...

And Quain....Hush...lol

then it can't be like 4th grade without those things..

That is a good thing.

Yes...

As...'insane' as I seem to be on here, I am actually somewhat normal in real life.

What? I could have never guessed...

This is now officially the longest thread ever.

That is great! Yeah!

Wooopie!

250th POST
 

Ok...here's the question:

Gals:

What's the most B]romantic[/b] thing a guy can do on a first date, any date, in general. It can be as simple as holding a door open (;) ) or as elaborate as flowers or candlelight.

Um...the most romantic thing on a first date....
being on time...
having the look of aww when she comes to the door..
flowers can work...
walking her to the door and just giving her a kiss on the cheek (shows us you do actually have some values...)

Melissa's got it right... but one thing about flowers, if you really want to impress me, don't just give me any old flower, if you give me one of my faves, I'll probably melt! hehe...
*hugz to all as alwayz*
Ann-Marie -team 783

what's your favorite flower? just curious.

Stephen

I have a couple actually.. but remember i'm REALLY odd and most likely no other chick in the world is like this...
I really like tigerlilies for some reason.. and those purple and blue.. orchids I think is what they are, they're pretty..
Strange eh?
*hugz to all as alwayz*
Ann-Marie -team 783

Mine are violets...

well judy, i can't admit to knowing what those look like, but they sound cool :) i guess us guys can just ask the girl what they like, but here's a quick question just in case: can you go wrong with a rose? would you think it's too unoriginal, or would you appreciate the thought?

Stephen

Personally, I think roses are way too common and most guys figure they can just get a rose and it'll all be good... now if it's another colour.. that's a different thing.. I mean personally I think blue and black roses are really cool!
*hugz to all as alwayz*
Ann-Marie -team 783

Roses are way too common....
I agree with black roses...I love those things...A friend got me one of Valentine's day since she knew I like them, and i was one of the happiest people in the world....however people at my school thought I was crazy for that....

Oh and if you know the meaning of the colours, that's even cooler! Like I think black means undying love... pink or white(can't remember, been a while) is friendship, etc. If you work that out, it means even more.
*hugz to all as alwayz*
Ann-Marie -team 783

yellow is peace i believe...i'm not sure though
pink is friendship
white is hope....i think...:confused:

ahh, cool. i was about to scratch roses off my shopping list :) but i guess knowing that color thing might make it more personal

Stephen

I have always been a fan of chocolate...

I remember for one first date I brought a chocolate rose...It went over very well. That a fluke? or am I on to something?

I'm not a chocolate person, but I guess most girls are.... that seems like a sweet( oh man I just realized how corny that must sound) idea.
*hugz to all as alwayz*
Ann-Marie -team 783
acckkk... I should go to bed, have to get up on time for work tomorrow... ewwwwww..

Can't think Ann-Marie with out thinking corny :P lol, jk

What about the other gals here? Chocolate a yay or a nay?

You know, I feel sorry for you poor guys, I really do. Run now while you still have the chance! The flower and candy thing is never a sure thing. On holidays, it's clichéd, for no special reason, it's suspicious. But then, maybe I'm too cynical. And I'm most likely too weird, the most romantic gift I ever received was a keychain mace from a boyfriend in college who was worried about the neighborhood I lived in.

I personally think flowers, chocolate, stuffed animals, and jewelry are boring, but statistics show me that I'm a minority in that belief so my advice is most likely useless and should be discarded.

Poor guys.

MissInformation

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Cats, words and pickles, three of the greatest things in life.

chocolate = good
flowers= better
good manners = best

I remeber the first time I got flowers on a date, it was the sweetest thing ever, I had a conversation with the guy the first tiem we met a couple months before about how I had never gotten flowers from any guy, so when he finally got the nerves to as me on a date 2 months later he knocked on my door, met my parents and gave me a single rose and hugged me as he told me not to ever say I'd never gotten flowers from a guy :) It was so cute :)

how about poetry?

or comparing the sparkle in her eyes to the pale luminesense of the full moonlight, or the way her hair falls around her like a waterfall, glistening with a heavenly beauty, or her skin, the color and softness of the finest silk?

Or maybe that's date #2:D

With poetry, make sure it is original...I personally hate it when a guy gives/reads me a poem his friend wrote or from some famous author...it isn't true to the heart then...also don't go overboard with comparing her to stuff...I find it a bit annoying after a while...

Flowers= Ummm...OK

Chocolate= YES! YES! (least for me, I LOVE CHOCOLATE) :D

Poetry= Ummm...If she's into it, sure, but for a lot I think we'd think your trying to hard

Good Manners= ABSOLUTELY, I won't even talk to you if you don't have some sense of manners.


:D :D :D

good manners i have, chocolate i can get, poetry, i'd prolly feel corny reading it anyway, so it looks like i'm set :)

Stephen

Well, I guess there are two of us that think this. I agree candy, and flowers and stuff like that is getting a bit dull.

So what then do people like us want? Well, stuff that we personally like, obviously if you are going to the trouble to get us something, you know us well enough to know some of our interests.

Poetry eh?

I think I would feel offly silly reading poetry...

But beside that, what kinda poems and stuff work?

My research
 

..... to pick up girls all i do is pick up a video camera and have my friend video tape me talkin to her for a while then cut the camera off and talk to her off camera... worked for me every time... most of yall remember the camera guys ( black boys walkin around with a video camera recording stuff..... that was me and my friend) if you were in FLORIDA FOR THE NATIONALS...

Forget poetry...it's just to strange.

:confused:

this is a long thread.

I thought black roses were for funerals? Perhaps I was mistaken...

Ones that aren't corny...

I thought it was one of the lighter roses for funerals, Ben...

To Settle to Rose Meanings once and for all....
Black Roses signify undying love or death
Coral Rose conveys desire
Lavender Roses symbolize love at first sight and enhancement
Orange Roses indicate enthusiasm, desire and fascination
Pink (Deep) says Thank You
Pink (Light) Rose conveys admiration, gentleness, grace, gladness, joy and sweetness
Pink Rose carry the message of happiness, gracefulness and gentleness
Red Roses symbolize sincere Love, Respect, Courage & Passion
Red (Dark) Rose reveals unconscious beauty
Red (Single) means "I Love You"
Red & White Roses together signify unity
Single Rose in any color expresses simplicity and gratitude
White Roses express Purity/heavenly, secrecy, silence, innocence and charm
White (Bridal) Rose symbolizes a happy love
Yellow Roses indicate joy, gladness, friendship and "I Care"
Yellow Rose with Red Tip indicates friendship falling in Love

I'll take one of each, please!:D
(minus the bridal one, of course)


Would a bouquet of one of each be pretty, do you think?:D
(minus the bridal one, of course)

"Ones that aren't corny"....That really helps melissa ;) lol

...and now that I know what all those rose colours mean, I just need to find a store that would have tha appropreate colour for a first date...

BTW...What colour would work for a first date? I would think something not too strong (like black)...But not something weak and common (like red)...

Re: My research
 

I'll have to agree with you on this one. On Thursday night of the Nationals weekend a few friends of mine and I went to FSPA (Florida Schoolastic Press Association) Convention being held like 10 min from EPCOT where there are tons of girls from TV Production classes and Yearbook and Newspaper. I brought my camera along (Canon XL1 - very pro lookin) and even with all the other cameras there we ended picking up like 20 + girls. Cameras are exactly the way to go! Girls go nuts over em! So after this we had to bring it out during Nat'l. You may remember a few guys walking around through the pits and stuff asking if you had seen our "beachball" or if you were from Tennessee... I think that corny pick up lines plus a camera deffinitely nice way to go.

How about (with a cam of course):

"Hello, we're documenting the FIRST competition for our school (or maybe local TV channel if ur feeling lucky) and we want to get to know people from other teams, and other parts of the country. Can you tell us where you're from, and a bit about yourself"...cam goes off...u thank her, and then talk to her for a while...

OR, you could always just go up to a girl and talk to them?

What I mean by not corny is don't be sterotypical...girls usually don't like that..be original...

I think a light pink rose or a yellow would work well for a first date...

Boys and video cameras usually don't work for me...I rather juts have the guy come up and talk to me without the camera.

Maybe a yellow or pink (according to the list). I don't know.

Definitly pink, i think.

Ohh...I'm writing this down! Thanks for the tip, ladies!;)

haha! you goof! oh well, I can't say much, if there was good avice given to me I might write it down too...
*hugz to all as alwayz*
Ann-Marie -team 783

I agree with Pink...

And you've just started writing? I've just about finished my 3rd book...lol :)

Pink is always a good choice...

3 books? from this...never...

hmmm...3 small books? and maybe I write big? lol

maybe...

Exactly...

Of course i've been takiing notes:D but that rose advice was a particularly good one.

Thanks Melissa!:)

Not a problem, ben

its interesting how definitions of roses shifted.

from what I remember, deep red stands for bashful shame, and yellow stands for a decrease in love, or for jealousy. White rose can mean all of the definitions you stated, but also can stand for I am worthy of you. A red rosebud can mean you are young and beautiful. A white rosebud can mean you are too young for love. red and white roses together represent unity.

I had way too much fun with the white rosebud definition at one point.....hehehe

From all ive seen florists and others over the years have tried to put better definitions on some of the different rose colors. I hope that everybody keeps in mind that these are not always the currently used definitions....there arent even definitions for some of the different colors which were not as prominant at the time. These definitions stem from the victorian definitions of flowers...from the time when flowers having definitions was the most popular.

I don't just use the camera everytime... I mean at FIRST Competitions or FSPA Conventions and stuff like that... especially where there's a big party/dance. Usually when I go to "pick-up" a chick I just walk over and say, "Hey you look very familiar... I can't figure it out... oh wait, I know, you look like my new girlfiriend!" ;) J/K... No seriously I just walk up and try to make small talk, get a number or a way to contact them again, talk later that week and then next thing you know we're going on a date.

I like the idea of flowers having meanings. The problem is...

what if SHE does'nt know the meaning.:( I think I would be much more charming and romantic if she knew what the flower represented.:)

good point...honestly...what kind of guy is going to bring flowers on the first date..not many

A ring on the first date huh? As long as the guy doesn't get on one knee when he gives it to her! :) Seriously, I consider myself a nice guy, but I don't think I'd ever give a ring on a first date, that's pretty excessive.

Stephen

[edit]hmmm ... I don't think I can read the future, I wonder why my post is above Ben's.[/edit]

Yeah, how'd you get ahead of me??!! that's weird.

:D so...what you think of the next Kentucky Derby? Don't be shy, you can give us names :D :D :D


Eeek, its happened again! How come my last post is always on the bottom???!!!!

I deleted the post, and reposted it. That's odd. I could'nt post this morning either, a message about im only allowed to post every 47 seconds...even though it was hours. hmmm...

Has anyone received anything original, instead of flowers on a date? Like maybe a vase for the flowers (:rolleyes: I don't know!)

:D A ring would be out of the question, right? :D