Whew! I knew holding doors open was a good thing. Thanks.

(sign of relief) I would want that gesture to come across as kind and courteous, not as belittling or macho.

I thought that holding the door for the person for the person behind you was just common courtesy. It's always annoying when the person in front of you just lets it close :)

Exactly. I always hold the door open for anyone -- regardless of sex.

Hold on, I'm still writing notes...LOL

I've been polite and all that, but it certainly helps if not only do you become interested in them, you are an interesting person as well. I've failed that test...

In priority order:

1. Place one hand under each armpit, and lift straight up
2. Clean and jerk, and hold in a full press over your head
2-A. If you are trying to lift twins, dumbbell lunges are preferable
3. Grab with one arm around the waist, lift, and balance on your hip
4. Sling 'em across your back in a fireman's carry


(Dave ducks and runs for cover) Sorry, I couldn't resist - I have been waiting for three days for someone to say this! :D

-dave

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"It is much more comfortable to be mad and know it, than to be sane and have one's doubts."
- G. B. Burgin

LOL dave!

Dave - haha,

You know, there is one other thing to consider. Just because Jill, Pamela, and I say that we appreciate guys holding doors for us, not *all* girls will always like that. Think about what kind of girl you want. Does she seem like she would appreciate guys showing some consideration, or is she a very independent person who would be insulted by that? Just something to consider.

Also, Greg and Zan, there is a difference between what you are talking about and what Ben was asking. Obviously, if there is someone behind you as you walk through the door, it doesn't matter if you are a guy or a girl or if they are a guy or a girl, it is common courtesy to hold the door for them. But i think what Ben was talking about (least what i was talking about) is if you are walking together with a girl. It is simply a sign of respect for the guy to step ahead and open the door for the girl. I have some girlfriends who will stand and wait until the guy opens the door for them, and others who will purposely step ahead so the guy cannot open the door for them. It really depends on the girl. If a guy wants to open a door for me, i will let him, but i would never pause and wait for him to do it if he doesn't act like he otherwise would.

so I tried really really hard to think of something to write here about being picked up...

but the only thing I could think of was how I don't approve of you picking girls up.

hmph.

I'll see you tommorow.

I'm the girl that will stand outside the door and wait for the guy to come back and open it, someone has to train these boys after all. Its a fun experiment girls, next time you go out with any guys on your team, don't open any doors, just see what their reaction is, I think youll be suprised.

ashley

You said that right! I think door holding should be done by whoever reaches the door first. I work with a man who is, by far, the most polite creature I've ever known. Even if his arms are full, he will rush ahead and open a door for you. Always opens the car door (and closes it behind you). Would probably hop out and open the car door for you to get out of the car if he were quick enough. Always pre-apologizes if he thinks he's going to offend you, which he thinks he does, quite a lot. It gets annoying. And since I know it gets his goat (why I would want his goat, I don't know) I always try to get to doors to open them for him! I think good manners are wonderful, as long as they are not overdone.

And boys, you don't want to be macho and overbearing (well, some chicks dig that) but neither do you want to be a puppy dog. If you're a puppy dog, you are most likely going to get someone like me, who eats puppy dogs for breakfast!

MissInformation

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It is loneliness that makes the loudest noise. This is true of men as of dogs. -Eric Hoffer

Yes, that was what i was asking, sorry if there was any confusion (it goes without saying that you hold doors open for people whoever they are if both are going through the same door)

I agree Greg, except when your brother (or other sibbling) is taking forever to go out the door and then i slam the door in his face....:D

Well, there are always exceptions :D