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Arefin Bari

14-04-2005 10:17

Re: How do you rank?

Wow... what an improvement for a 2nd year team.

you guys simply amaze me.

I have seen you guys scout, you guys go out there and dig out every bit of info you can find about the team. Proud to say that you guys are my friends. :)

... see you guys in a week. Rock the archimedes guys.

Meyerman

14-04-2005 10:52

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awsome job guys i like how high u put up team 56

allen0977

14-04-2005 11:43

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Originally Posted by MattB703

It seems like this ranking could be more accurate if it also included wins/losses in the elimination rounds.

This data is almost entirely generated by Qualifying matches. I included the Quarterfinals/Semi-finals/Finals only to help differentiate teams and give a slightly better spread

allen0977

14-04-2005 11:46

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Originally Posted by Swampdude

You guys did a heck of a job on that software. Sebastian is the man when it comes to scouting and scouting software. They gave me a little demo at Palmetto and I was a bit overwhelmed.
On Saturday I was surprised you had us ranked so low, but when you based it on W/L's you're not necessarily going to get a good picture. Although it is definitely a good data point to look at. I would suggest you mix in a penalty factor though. In our case 2 of our losses at Palmetto were completely out of our hands because of penalties from our alliances. Maybe if you look at the score "before" penalties - since we actually won all 3 of of our losses but then penalties erased the scores. I know it's hard to actually get that information as to "who" drew the flags - or what the pre-penalty score was. But I think it will paint a better picture.
Anyhow, looking forward to seeing you guys next week!

Unfortunately this data isn't available anywhere. I wanted to post 2 rankings, one with and one without penalties, but could not find any where that scores sans penalties existed.

Collmandoman

14-04-2005 11:51

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Do you by chance have any info on palmetto before teams selected on saturday ~ GREAT SYSTEM does look like a lot of work went into it

David Guzman

14-04-2005 11:51

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Originally Posted by Meyerman

awsome job guys i like how high u put up team 56

:D We didn't put you guys up there. That is just a reflection of how you guys have performed. Good job.

Dave

XtremeEagle04

14-04-2005 12:49

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Hey the system looks great!

what are the chances of you getting the finger lakes regional info up before nationals? no big deal i understand how much work is involved and would like to thank you on behalf all of the FIRST community :D

btw team 326 goes by the "Xtreme Eagles" ;)

tbmantia

14-04-2005 13:36

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Team 1288 from the St. Louis Regional is not on the list.

allen0977

14-04-2005 14:16

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Originally Posted by tbmantia

Team 1288 from the St. Louis Regional is not on the list.

We unfortunately don't have the data for the St. Louis Regional. If you know where I can find the Qualifying Match teams and scores, I'd be more than happy to input them

allen0977

14-04-2005 14:17

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Originally Posted by XtremeEagle04

We unfortunately don't have the data for the Finger Lakes Regional. If you know where I can find the Qualifying Match teams and scores, I'd be more than happy to input them

Kris Verdeyen

14-04-2005 15:14

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Originally Posted by allen0977

We determine a strength of schedule by looking at each teams opponents winning percentage and also those opponents opponents winning percentage ..

(3*(winningPercent) + 2*(OpponentsWinPercent)+1*(OpponentsOpponentsWinPe rcent))/6

that helps weight your score, and then we look at margin of victory in individual games to give more/less points which could move a team up/down the ranking. Everything changes with each new match entered, even if it is a team you never faced (as long as one of your opponents faced any team in the new match)

You could subtract out alliance partners by doing:
(3*(winningPercent) + 2*(OpponentsWinPercent - PartnersWinPercent)+1*(OpponentsOpponentsWinPercen t-PartnersPartnersWinPercent - OpponentsPartnersWinPercent + PartnersOpponentsWinPercent))/6

... at least I think that'd do it.

I'm not sure how you'd be able to put in the relative strengths of the regionals. Average total match score might do it.

Anyway, great job.

spears312

14-04-2005 15:25

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Awesome software. It's kinda cool to look at the rankings of all the teams at nationals in some sense. There is just a little typo with heatwave's rank! (j/k). Another piece of great work from you guys, hope I get the chance to talk to you all again at nationals.

Kims Robot

14-04-2005 15:56

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Great Data!! :)

If you are looking for some results for FLRC, partial UNOFFICIAL results are here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=35742

I have also attached our match history as recreated by Doug.

Corey Balint

14-04-2005 16:04

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All weekend I had been talking to 1251 and just discussing the game and their strategy. Come saturday i asked them(since they were in first) how their scouting was coming along. They said greatly and that they had a "system" set up. Me been nosey, wanted to know more. They kept it secret until we ended up aligning with them (we ranked a 100 at Palmetto, 5 points higher then any other, and 3 spots ahead of 1251 themselves-had to brag). I was amazed. I had always wanted to set something like this up, but my lack of intelligence seems to hinder that progress. Props to 1251 on a great system.

Barry Bonzack

14-04-2005 16:14

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::sniffs arms:: hey, I don't rank! :p

This is a very cool system. I was wondering when someone would come out with a formula that calculated SOS. I decided to take this site for a test run and used it in picking my top Fantasy First teams... along with a mix of teams that I saw at UCF and Lone Star Regionals and gut feeling. I like the cool color code to the left of the teams names that says what division the teams are in for the Championship, that was useful as well. I'm pretty proud of my team's rank by this system. Very cool guys.

Now I wonder when someone will rank teams judging by their community service and public outreach programs. :-D

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