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team 56 is 8th in nation and 2nd in Galileo with a power ranking of 94 im very happy with this year performance hope to keep it up at nationals see yall there!

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*sigh* We aren't on there, because FIRST doesn't have the Chesapeake information up yet.

The results for Chesapeake matches 2, 13, 21, 36, 45, 52, 61, and 69 can be found at http://www.friarbot.com (right on the main page) - we kept records of the matches that we were in. I don't know where the other match results can be found.

Re: How do you rank?
 

Very cool and neat system. My team will defenitly add it to our scouting repetoir. Of course I don't loooove how it ranked my team, but it is accurate based off how we did in the trenton regional. We defenitly improved after that to be one of the best bots in the NYC regional.

Which brings me to my point I know certain teams mentioned above that they improved quite a bit at their second or even third regional. I'm not sure if its possible, but is there a way to display the rankings based off only the last 10 match results? Or short of that just their last regional. I bet to include these features though would be quite a bit of work.

Re: How do you rank?
 

You can get individual Regional Rankings by clicking on the regional on the right .. If you want more than one, it takes some time to generate, but you can select them and click submit and it will rank only the regionals selected.

-Allen

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Looks as if a lot of thought went into the system. Great job.

A word of caution however:
FIRST has made this game very dependant upon the random pairings of teams. This was done specifically to disperse the talent. I know of many great teams that have a low ranking but have great robots. Look at Team #68 that was ranked almost dead last at a regional but has a very great robot. They were selected high in the draft and preformed very well for their alliance.

What is very important is the scouting on Thursday and Friday to give a final look at all robots in each division. Each selecting team needs to look at each robot and what it can do for their alliance.

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:rolleyes: Not really!!! :p

We just have a great scouting team and they work very hard. Also one of our mentors Mr. Barrier has put a lot of work into this at home. Im sure every year it will get better and better. :D

Dave

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I would not use these rankings for scouting for three reasons:

1. They are based on incomplete data.
2. An objective formula is a poor substitute for an analysis of a team's performace.
3. You want to rank based on compatibility more than performance when scouting robots, because if you have to pick, you don't want three robots who like to start with the tetra in autonomous or three robots who spend a lot of time in the human loading zone. The rankings look at performance, rather than compatibility.

If you want to do some real scouting, go to wherever in the stands 1251 is sitting and watch what they are doing. My bet is that human beings are taking observations, and human beings are analyzing those observations and drawing conclusions from them. I bet the 24-team list they take with them onto the field during alliance selection is more a product of human observation and analysis than some artificial formula.

How do I rank? I rank by looking at a teams performance. I look at stats, like a team's best and average capping numbers, but I also look at what loading zones a robot uses and what it's autonomous mode does. I also listen to what the scouts on my team have to say, what observations they've made and what conclusions they've drawn. Then I go through and rank teams, 1 to 24, by drawing my own conclusions from the information I have. For example, at Philadelphia, I ranked my top six: 56, 103, 358, 316, 834, 365. Do a little scouting of your own and look up where those teams finished in Philadelphia. You'll find three champions, two finalists, and one semifinalist. That's how I rank.

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I'm a little confused. At spot number 130, you have 1626 listed, but the team name is the Techtonics? 1626 is Falcon Robotics from Metuchen NJ.

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Chill... they were just trying to help everyone out. No need to stress..... :cool:


GO 1403!!!

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Ahh good point, however there is a second program that lets us view the higher rankings team compatability to ours, so in the end we're not just looking for power (maybe thats what you thought) but also what the other program shows for their stratagy and how it relates to ours (plus we've only seen 1 robot with and exact replica of our stratagy) :D

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So in the end you're really doing this,
I have nothing against using technology in scouting. Team 293 records video of every match at the regionals we attend, and I also brought a computer with me onto the field for alliance selection in Philadelphia. I just don't like the fact that we're all losing sight here of the most important aspect of scouting: analytical thinking.

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analytical thinking is done much faster on a computer :D

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Ok here is the way we use this and it works for us.

At the stands every one fills out information about each individual team, stuff like speed, capping average, defensive, auto mode, and all kinds of stuff. Then another person is always putting in data in a computer and we have a different program that lets us compare 3 teams at the same time, this program gives us an average of what the team did in every single match, and also whatever comments the scout made. On the other hand some one is simply putting in data about the match results and the teams playing for the Power Ranking. Then to make our list we sit down as a group and we take our power rankings and we look at all the info on the top ranked teams mostly top 24 or 28, then once we look at all the info we have we simply cross out teams that won't work for us and leave the ones that do work out. At the end we pretty much use the order in which the power ranking says unless one of our scouts knows that there could be a little change based on what they saw. Ofcourse this list is done after crossing out those non compatible robots.

We understand that there has to be human envolment in scouting, we simply use the power ranking to give us another idea on what we should look at. If you were ecxpecting a program that can pick for you then you are defenetly in the wrong page. Also our data is as good as FIRST has it up at their web-site except the regionals we were at, if you record is wrong PM Allen with the match #s the teams playing and the correct final score.

Thanks for some of the good comments and we are just sharing this with everyone, doesn't mean this is going to pick teams for you.

Dave

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sw293 is Absolutely right We do have people in the stands scouting. :) We just thought we post this system to help and show other teams all the work we put into and thought it would be a neat thing to show. We do not pick allience based solely on this system although it is a help. You can not make critical decision's based on just this system. Also please when u check out the link please not the disclamier papers.

Thank you and good luck to all in Atlanta :ahh:,

Drew Disbury Team 1251 The Tech Tigers.

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I like the system because you can get a general idea of good teams. That way you don't need so much scouting manpower, because you can focus detailed scouting on those ranked high. Not to say that non high ranked teams can't be a threat, but it definitly makes it easier.