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I was really suprised that team Pink and 179 did not make it to the finals. :(

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how can you call the scouting poor! if it was poor scouting we woulda picked in order of ranking we picked who we picked for reasons cheesy poofs werent top 8 we picked them and they prob shouldnt have been around for the 2nd seed to pick they were amazing and team 64 was ranked far back just like 103 and they both got picked because some scouts were good and realized these bots shouldnt be were they are. the ranking shouldnt matter outside top 8 you should be picking on what the robot can provide for the alliance not where its ranked what if 254 was in 85th yer telling me they shouldnt have been picked! it woulda been hard for them to do soo poorly but i hope you get what im trying to say. i think teams didnt scout well if they only picked low ranked teams because i know 3 great teams shoulda been picked but due to rankings they werent and that was definately bad scouting!

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I think you need to chill out. You're taking general statements as if they're directed at you. Obviously 56 picked a good alliance, they won our division. But some of the other teams were not as prepared and were unsure of who to pick.

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Thank you The Lucas, sw293, Meyerman, t0ny127, BandChick, colt527 and ben281 for mentioning my team.
I was very surprised to hear that 237 did not get picked, they were a very powerful team.

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ya, that was us, 447, that scored 123 in the first match with you guys 1596 and i believe 234, you guys were a really good team, and very nice people to work with :D

you have to take more into account than scouting when you look at alliance pickings, there are a lot of politics that go into picks, if you are not in the top 8 you have to convince teams why they should pick you instead of the 80 some odd other teams in your division. you have to make good friends and strong "alliances" with other teams to go into the finals

i remember last year, we were in Galileo and we were in 17th spot at the end of QP matches and didn't get picked, partly because we were in a division full of east coast team that we didn't know, and partly because of a very untimely motor burn out in our final match :ahh:

unless you are one of "The" teams, you have to go out and make friends, sell your robot, sell yourself as a cooperative team mate thats easy to work with, and let teams know your strengths and "compatibility index" :D

but thats just my six pence :rolleyes:

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im just kinda mad that a team like you didnt get picked because of where you were seeded. had you and a few other teams been picked maybe the outcome woulda been different because some of the best teams in the galileo division where sitting watching the finals instead of playing in them.

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If they had been on the same alliance they probably would have, but they werent. I already explained why I wasnt really surprised when the all Florida #5 alliance (which pink was on) lost in the Arch Semis. And I was quite surprised that the #6 alliance(191, 179, 494) lost in only 2 matches to that #1 Arch alliance during the Archimedes finals. I thought that 191 and 179 made an amazing combination, and that they could give the #1 alliance a run for their money. But we all know how that turned out.
Im also surprised that 384, 222, 007, and 228 didnt get picked. If 116 had kept playing like we did on Friday, we would have had a great shot at being picked, but sadly we didnt. Friday night, we were 3-1-1, 17th in Archimedes, and had the highest QPs in all of nationals at that point (40.2). But we went 0-2 on Saturday, had a match were our arm didnt work properly, saw our QPs drop to 32.8, and our rank to 41st, so Im not surprised we werent picked.

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hey guys, the 123-7 match was with 447, 1596, and 121. It was a great way to start the day!

Anyhow, I can only comment on galileo teams because they are the only ones I saw. I was truly shocked that 538 and 237 did not get picked. There are many other teams that were "on the cusp" that certainly deserved a shot at the elims (such as 88 and others). I wonder how far the the "all-snub" alliance would have gotten in the elims...

I think FIRST needs to somehow allow teams more time to compile scouting data and have some break between the last match and when they call the alliance acptains out to the field. This would help eliminate many problems.

Good luck to all,

Rob Zeuge

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One team that I was really surprised to hear didn't make the finals was 1403. They were our partners at the Buckeye Regional and they were amazing. At one point in the finals I was paying attention to our robot the entire match and at the end of the 2 minutes I looked up and 1403 had single handedly capped the entire opponent’s home row. Tough break you guys, I can’t wait to see what you come up with next year.

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I agree. they had a really cool design and everything, and a very good ally to work with. There was one match when 7 was our ally and then we had a disfunctional partner, versus 279 (in my opinion, the best robot in the championship, won an award, forgot which), 180 (winner of motorola for having the rotating chasis and multiple tetras), and another one.. and we were able to pull through the whole match close, and we lost by about 3. :ahh: our team and 7 had amazing teamwork, and they definitely shouldve gotten picked.

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I think that many many teams were overlooked because the only opportunity other teams in the division got to see them was at the championship. 639 and 1511 were both excellent teams at their regionals, and both had won regional championships. Neither were chosen in Newton though.

I know our team had a lot of bad luck over the qualifying rounds and the only chance many people had to see our robot involved two mechanical failures. In only seven matches, that doesn't give a very good impression.

Nevertheless, I was not depressed about not making the elimination rounds at the Championship. I couldn't have hoped to end the season at a better place :).

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More than ever this year I was extremely surprised by some of the alliance choices. Teams were not only picked in an order I did not expect, but many excellent teams seemed left out. I was trying to understand what the difference might be that caused this sort of mess and I can't help but point towards the 3 on 3 aspect of the game. Not only are there 85 teams in each division, which is almost too many to keep track of, but it is nearly impossible to keep track of all 6 robots in the match and their interactions. Teams that were extremely reliable and consistent were also boring and seemed to get overlooked. Also, when the game was 2 on 2, a team still had a chance to overcome an unfortunate alliance pairing if their robot or drivers were good enough. It is less possible for one team to have an impact on a match now that it is 3 on 3. The other factor that I think contributed was the lack of time between the last match and the call for the representatives to be sent down to the field. I think a while back there used to be a lunch break between the last match and the pairings which gave some time for teams to really review stats and not rush into decisions based on politics.

I think it is nice that some teams that may have otherwise not had a chance in the finals got to play due to this mess. My one disappointment was that I really look forward to the matches in the finals pushing the limits in terms of scoring. When you really have the cream of the crop out there together you end up seeing some amazing stuff. There were definitely a few matches in some of the divisional eliminations that did not meet my expectations of this.

FIRST really likes to play down the importance of robot performance, but it will always be the reason that people go without sleep for the six weeks of the building season. For this reason I am really hoping that something changes for next year so that the alliance choices are a little more "predictable".

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i hate to say this, but i truly think we (1167) should have been picked. I realize we had a 4-3 record, but we could have played defense for our alliance or been on the offensive.

there were a few other teams that should have been chosen, but as i am sleepy, i cannot think of the teams right now, but the teams we played in our last match, which were 231 and 824 were great, but our win against them gave them their only loss, and they weren't chosen, though they were strong teams for a majority of the day.

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I also found this really surprising...although given I am on 201 I'm a bit biased, but we were ranked in 10th and I thought we deserved to be picked. Thanks for mentioning us :-)