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Who were the teams that you really liked but didn't get picked?

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little modest but us 1251

25 Raiders Robotics
1466
301 Probots

sebas

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I couldn't believe that 358, the Robo Eagles, did not get picked in Galileo. I expected them to be off the board before my team. They won a regional, almost won another. They were ranked around 16th (second highest seed not picked). I watched a couple of their matches and they were dominant, capping corner goals over top of defenders. That was a lapse in scouting.

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237 - sie-h20-bots - watertown, ct ... <3!!!!
25 - Radier Robotics - New brunswic, NJ... <3!!!!!

*a lapse of scouting in our division *Galileo* was a HUGE understatement... i honestly can not belive how many teams went untouched espically in the 2nd round!!! for some part i do belive its newer teams who were never in this situation at nationals and having to scout 80+ teams let alone 40+ at a regional =/

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I'm gonna narrow my ramblings down to the teams I know of...

Team 386. They're the other Harris Team... one of my favorites... 'cause they're the team I would've been on if I still lived in Florida...

Team... arg... 1547, Where's Waldo. They've improved a whole lot since we've first seen them, and they're one of my favorites too.

There's my second post... no one can say I just posted once... (This is for record on the people who've been bugging me to post... which I'll do more often... s'what I get for being bu-... I'll stop rambling)

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60 - why they weren't picked, I have no idea. They would've been a steal in the 2nd round of picking in the Curie division.

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They were good, but I can see why they werent picked. They were only capping 1 or 2 per round and attracting alot of defense.

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Even so - it is team 60. They had a great robot this year, I saw them in Vegas and they were stellar. Even if they were only capping 2 or 3 per round, they still had a great robot and I'm surprised they were not picked.

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Team 228.. had our scouting team known their arm had a basic part break and that they fixed it, Gus would have been on our "very good" list and would not have questioned that pick at all. Just miscommunication from the pits to the scouting team who was supposed to make the call.

Team 228 was going to be our 2nd pick, unfortunatly I had 5 missed calls with 2 messages from the scouting team saying "Take GUS, TAKE GUS, TAAAKE GUS if teams 71, 233, 322, and 179 are taken".. I eventually heard that message this morning at the airport.

Unfortunatly for GUS I answered the phone the 6th time it rang and was told differently assumeing the whole team knew what was going on (which nobody but the kid who called knew I wasn't going to pick GUS until too late)..

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Our or archimedes: I think we should've gotten picked (not to sound selfish)
I was really surprised when 1251 wasn't picked. They're a real good team and should've been in the finals.
I was surprised when 233 didn't make it to the finals

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When we were decididing who to pick there were never any doubts in our minds. We knew we wanted 217 and 766, it was all about how to get them. The Chickens were the obvious first pick, and when our scouting team talked a little with some of 217, Paul Caprioli chirped up, "Have you seen 766, they're from California and I don't think anyone's ever heard of them. They're pretty good" That sealed things there. We had origianlly started talking to them to propose 766 to them.

The long and the short: In Detroit our first pick was 217 and we won. In Sacremento our first pick was 766 and we won. Not a hard decision.

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I was only surprised a little bit when they didnt. Merely because the power of that Arch #1 alliance. None of the Arch alliances were as overpowering as many predicted, but that one had a decent shot at the championship (they gave the newton alliance their only loss of the eliminations).

And for teams that didnt get picked:
122 and 401 were both stellar bots who won VCU. 122 also was a finalist at Annapolis.

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team 201 the FEDS. They had a good robot, but didnt get picked.

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I'm disappointed 301 didnt get picked by anyone. They dominated the home row for us in Detroit

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I agree.

237 probably should have been picked too.

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I'm surprised you guys did not get picked because if i remember correctly when you guys won it was because you put the most tetras on the field around 6 and no less than 5 per match
what a shame

sebas

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From Newton I would have to say Team 639. They were an awesome robot that I saw at the Finger Lakes Regional and matches in the Newton Division.

I am surprised to hear the 237 was not picked. We were in an alliance with them at the Finger Lakes Regional. They were an awesome robot.

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I was quite surprised that in Curie that team 222 wasn't picked. They seemed very consistent, and were a wonderful team to work with during the qualifying matches.

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I agree that 237 would have been a great pick. They had an awesome machine and are an excellent team. We won with them in NYC in 2002. It is too bad that they went unrecognized.

Thanks Lucas and sw293 for believing in us.

We (358) would have liked to have gone to the show, but the teams that went deserved it. The alliance that went on from Galileo (56,64,254) was arguably comprised the best machines there. Although it is never feels good to turn down an invitation from another team, 56 used good strategy to put together a near “dream team”. We were speculating the night before what it would be like if each division were allowed to send the best three robots to the Championship event. I mentioned that 56 (Robbe), 68 (Truck), and 254 (Cheesy Poofs) would be my picks for a “super alliance”
It is really hard to scout 85 teams and some good teams will always fall through the cracks due to poor scouting. The one big surprise to me was that one of the veteran teams, one that we have always looked up to and have seen perform well at nationals year after year seemed unprepared to select when they were called up. There was, however, some good scouting as well. 103 was deep in the pack, but recognized as being a very capable machine.

Ken
Team 358

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I was surprised when 237 wasn't picked. It seemed like vision teams would be a lock for being picked, since they are so visible. I also was surprised when 384 was not picked.

I was a bit surprised that we (294) weren't picked. We were 32nd seed (4-3). We also lost one match by one point and another by 4. If we won those two then we would have been picking :)

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I think we were an okay team ... i don't know if we deserved to be picked but we were 4-3... however the matches we lost one was against 27 and it was 34-32, the other was against i think 766 and some others and we won however an HP stepped out off a line and so we lost 43-51, also our front wheel stopped working and we got stuck on a goal... no defense :(
the only hardcore loss we had was against PINK ... we weren't a very strong alliance and really i just couldn't concentrate screwed up wrong strategy etc...it was so sad like 83-13

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Team 88 from the Galileo Division should have been picked.

:yikes:

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Forgive me if my thoughts sound not-so-connected, I'm a bit tired..

I was definitely a bit surprised when 1251, 1646, and 25 did not get selected.

And we (573) would have liked to be part of the eliminations.. We had been consistent through the entire competition, scoring about 6+ tetras per match and not acquiring any penalties. At one point we were 1st in Archimedes, and 4th by the end of the first day..

We had a good time though.. which is what counts

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This was the most surprising thing to me on Saturday. Ranked high, with a good robot and just overlooked I guess.

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There were some bots that I saw picked that I was rather suprised about. Honestly enough I think that people are picked, not the robots. Then again what the hell do I know.

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237, 25, and a few other bots from galileo went unpicked. i agree about the lapse of scouting in galileo but we still had a great alliance representing galileo in the finals.

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I was surprised that (in Curie) Team 1646 went unpicked. Their drivers were doing great, and they were 5-2...they were extremely consistent and great at what they did.

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I was really surprised to see team 25, 222, 237, 573 and 1251 not getting picked.

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On Curie i was very surprised that team 7 didn't get picked, they were consistent and great to work with.

Chris

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Wow- I'm surprised that many of you seem surprised that my guys (25) DIDN'T GET PICKED. Personally I felt that there were a number of great Galileo teams and we just didn't impress enough with our performance.

After a stunning weekend in Palmetto we had nothing but bad luck and troubles all this past weekend. How do you burn out an input pin? A working Auto routine decides it doesn't like to work any more? We ended up 3-4 with three of the other matches being lost by 2-3 pts or penalties from our partners.

But with all the little problems the machine was giving us it wasn't the same as it has been. But thats the game sometimes.

We had lots of fun and were especialy pleased to be there when our fellow travellers and the other team in the Cokeley household - 1089- made it all the way to Galileo #1 seed with an undefeated record. I wish they could have brought home something to put in the trophy case. They did a great job and had a great first nationals.

Thanks to all who look out for us. See you soon at PARC and Montcllair.

WC :cool:

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Thanks for the kind words. We had a whole list devised by a great scout team, but after being spoken to by two other teams, I was convinced that we should go down the list to try to kill the "top 8 super alliances"... we didn't anticipate 1280 to say yes since we didn't talk to them at all before the selection, but we were thrilled to have them as alliance partners. They and MOE both showed how great of sports they were out there, and they kicked a lot of butt!
In spite of our tradgic 30-point penalty that, in video review, almost made me cry, we were so excited that we went 7-0 in divisionals. Granted, we didn't have to face some of the nastiest Galileo teams out there like 254 and 56, but it really brought some inspiration to our team to know that we don't have to consider ourselves "n00bs" anymore. We learned a lot from our mistakes and are excited about moving forward!

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I think they were just overlooked which we all know happens a lot. They played this game with solid steady strategy, and had a great robot. I believe they were tied (Newton's stats aren't posted) for first place overall for average RP's, and had the highest in Curie.

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teams the definately shoulda gotten picked in galileo was 75 237 358 all three teams can probably score 6 tetras a match and they are both very dependable. we had all three on our list if we werent ranked as high we woulda had one of those for sure. and we also had 25 on our list but ended up taking them off it seemed they had a broken arm in their last few matches on sat. unfortionately for them they hard a rough schedual and alotta bad luck they are always a great team im sure they will win an offseason event or two.

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Aces High 176 on Newton? Anyone? :o *pouts*

We were very ready to get down on our knees and beg to be considered despite our ranking because our robot was working perfectly and our drive team was up to par, however, we did discover in watching the finals that we probably would have been a little overwhelmed.

Great job to everyone at the Championships and congrats to all the winners!

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Team 237 definitely should have been picked...they have an amazing robot and also an amazing team.

Teams 75 and 358 are also great teams that should have been picked...what a surprise...

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I definitely had this long list of teams that should have been picked. i was surprised that teams who were SO successful at their regionals didn't get chosen AT ALL.

358 put up an amazing fight at Philli.
237 did AWESOME at jersey
25 who, yes, had some technical problems, but still had a great bot
75
88

and that's just some of them.

I'm still really happy with the alliance we had, and I'm not going to say I regret anything about that weekend. But I did learn some lesson. So watch out for next year! ;)

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Ohh man, I was just as upset when I heard 358 didn't get picked when my team didn't get picked. 358 was our first alliance pick at SBPLI, we knew that they had a great robot and would be an awesome part of any team (It worked at SBPLI =P).

It would have been nice if my team had been picked, we put up 4 or 5 every round, but being ranked 51st didn't help much. I would say all of the teams that went on definatly deserved it and made for a great finals to watch.

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i was also very surprised by the poor scouting at galileo.. at Great lakes and toronto the scouting seemed very good . .

but in galileo it seemed teams picked other teams for the ppl not for the robots..like common!.. a 75seed team adn 80seed team were picked.. .. whats up with that? .. i was also disapointed how the 1305 68 469 got crushed at the start.... .. sux..

i also was disapointed how us (1596) were overlooked.. im guessing the scouts were not ready, as the first qualifying match , team 1596, 447,?, scored 123:7 ! .. . that was an amazing match and i would think the scouters would pick up on that..maybe the scouts didnlt start until like 10th match? ? unprepared?.. hmm. . o well it was still a great experiance and we learned a lot for next year.. so no hard feelings :D

i also wished that 1511 and waldo go into the finals as they were awsome rookies and they deserve it !

also .. GO CHEESY POOFS! .. !! i rooted for them, wish they won.. but the HOT team is also awsome.. they are our fathers :D .. they sparked our team into existance :D

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Thanks! We were glad you guys got picked though. :)

I think 237 should have been picked, they had a great robot! I also think some of the teams (at least in Galileo) should have been picked higher than they were.

It was still fun though. :)

One of those teams was 103 though, and that was GREAT scouting on whoever picked them (I can't remember - sorry). 103 had a great robot and just had a tough schedule and a few matches lost by one or two tetras. :D

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I was a very busy driver and pit crew member so I didn't have time to keep an eye on many teams. So what I'll say is that every single year tons of really great teams don't get picked at nationals. My team has gone to nationals 4 out of the past 5 years but this year was the first time we made it into the eliminations.

I'll also add that 237 and 75 definitely deserved to get picked. Both were wonderful machines.

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103 eh.. well i was sposed to be on our scouting team(6 ppl), but i was into those awsome workshops, and doing a lot of PR work (talking to teams and getting buttons :P).. so i missed a LOT of matches..

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Thank you for the recognition of our team. We were chosen by the 6th alliance, team 16 - Bomb Squad. Like many other teams in Galileo, luck just wasn't with us during the qualifying rounds. Many matches were lost by a mere 1 or 2 points, as was the case with so many other teams throughout the competition, and we ended with a 3-4 record. Unfortunately there were many teams that played fantastically, but ran into some bad luck, ranked below their level of play, and were not chosen. I can understand how surprising it is for a team ranked so low in the standings, such as ourselves, to be chosen in the first round. Cybersonics is very grateful that we were picked and given the opportunity to play Saturday afternoon against some spectacular alliances, including the one that went on to win Galileo and become the Championship finalists.

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There was definately a lot of confusion and problems in the Galileo department. I was dissapointed with how things were run. There were some teams who came off the field and didn't even get to go back to the pit before pickings had started. No one even knew the placings. We ended up 25th, and capped no less than 4 a match, averaging 5 and there were teams that were capping only 2-3 a match getting picked. all this to say that a lot of random stuff was going on. (ugh, we lost a match by 1 point and one by 2 points as well which would have put us in 3rd, oh well life is a bummer). but i still had fun at nats! congrats to everyone who did well.
Oh and i was also surprised 358 wasn't picked, sorry guys!
Ben
Team 281

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i was suprised for 25, 1251,007, 222 and a few others...

they are really great teams! i know s.p.a.m. was really scared towards the end... but this happens every year...great teams don't make it which is unfortunate...so many great bots out there!!

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You guys were definitly on our list thinking you'd be a great pick since we weren't sure how many people noticed you down there. We remembered how great you did at Philly though. :)

Thanks ben281.

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I was really suprised that team Pink and 179 did not make it to the finals. :(

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how can you call the scouting poor! if it was poor scouting we woulda picked in order of ranking we picked who we picked for reasons cheesy poofs werent top 8 we picked them and they prob shouldnt have been around for the 2nd seed to pick they were amazing and team 64 was ranked far back just like 103 and they both got picked because some scouts were good and realized these bots shouldnt be were they are. the ranking shouldnt matter outside top 8 you should be picking on what the robot can provide for the alliance not where its ranked what if 254 was in 85th yer telling me they shouldnt have been picked! it woulda been hard for them to do soo poorly but i hope you get what im trying to say. i think teams didnt scout well if they only picked low ranked teams because i know 3 great teams shoulda been picked but due to rankings they werent and that was definately bad scouting!

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I think you need to chill out. You're taking general statements as if they're directed at you. Obviously 56 picked a good alliance, they won our division. But some of the other teams were not as prepared and were unsure of who to pick.

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Thank you The Lucas, sw293, Meyerman, t0ny127, BandChick, colt527 and ben281 for mentioning my team.
I was very surprised to hear that 237 did not get picked, they were a very powerful team.

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ya, that was us, 447, that scored 123 in the first match with you guys 1596 and i believe 234, you guys were a really good team, and very nice people to work with :D

you have to take more into account than scouting when you look at alliance pickings, there are a lot of politics that go into picks, if you are not in the top 8 you have to convince teams why they should pick you instead of the 80 some odd other teams in your division. you have to make good friends and strong "alliances" with other teams to go into the finals

i remember last year, we were in Galileo and we were in 17th spot at the end of QP matches and didn't get picked, partly because we were in a division full of east coast team that we didn't know, and partly because of a very untimely motor burn out in our final match :ahh:

unless you are one of "The" teams, you have to go out and make friends, sell your robot, sell yourself as a cooperative team mate thats easy to work with, and let teams know your strengths and "compatibility index" :D

but thats just my six pence :rolleyes:

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im just kinda mad that a team like you didnt get picked because of where you were seeded. had you and a few other teams been picked maybe the outcome woulda been different because some of the best teams in the galileo division where sitting watching the finals instead of playing in them.

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If they had been on the same alliance they probably would have, but they werent. I already explained why I wasnt really surprised when the all Florida #5 alliance (which pink was on) lost in the Arch Semis. And I was quite surprised that the #6 alliance(191, 179, 494) lost in only 2 matches to that #1 Arch alliance during the Archimedes finals. I thought that 191 and 179 made an amazing combination, and that they could give the #1 alliance a run for their money. But we all know how that turned out.
Im also surprised that 384, 222, 007, and 228 didnt get picked. If 116 had kept playing like we did on Friday, we would have had a great shot at being picked, but sadly we didnt. Friday night, we were 3-1-1, 17th in Archimedes, and had the highest QPs in all of nationals at that point (40.2). But we went 0-2 on Saturday, had a match were our arm didnt work properly, saw our QPs drop to 32.8, and our rank to 41st, so Im not surprised we werent picked.

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hey guys, the 123-7 match was with 447, 1596, and 121. It was a great way to start the day!

Anyhow, I can only comment on galileo teams because they are the only ones I saw. I was truly shocked that 538 and 237 did not get picked. There are many other teams that were "on the cusp" that certainly deserved a shot at the elims (such as 88 and others). I wonder how far the the "all-snub" alliance would have gotten in the elims...

I think FIRST needs to somehow allow teams more time to compile scouting data and have some break between the last match and when they call the alliance acptains out to the field. This would help eliminate many problems.

Good luck to all,

Rob Zeuge

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One team that I was really surprised to hear didn't make the finals was 1403. They were our partners at the Buckeye Regional and they were amazing. At one point in the finals I was paying attention to our robot the entire match and at the end of the 2 minutes I looked up and 1403 had single handedly capped the entire opponent’s home row. Tough break you guys, I can’t wait to see what you come up with next year.

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I agree. they had a really cool design and everything, and a very good ally to work with. There was one match when 7 was our ally and then we had a disfunctional partner, versus 279 (in my opinion, the best robot in the championship, won an award, forgot which), 180 (winner of motorola for having the rotating chasis and multiple tetras), and another one.. and we were able to pull through the whole match close, and we lost by about 3. :ahh: our team and 7 had amazing teamwork, and they definitely shouldve gotten picked.

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I think that many many teams were overlooked because the only opportunity other teams in the division got to see them was at the championship. 639 and 1511 were both excellent teams at their regionals, and both had won regional championships. Neither were chosen in Newton though.

I know our team had a lot of bad luck over the qualifying rounds and the only chance many people had to see our robot involved two mechanical failures. In only seven matches, that doesn't give a very good impression.

Nevertheless, I was not depressed about not making the elimination rounds at the Championship. I couldn't have hoped to end the season at a better place :).

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More than ever this year I was extremely surprised by some of the alliance choices. Teams were not only picked in an order I did not expect, but many excellent teams seemed left out. I was trying to understand what the difference might be that caused this sort of mess and I can't help but point towards the 3 on 3 aspect of the game. Not only are there 85 teams in each division, which is almost too many to keep track of, but it is nearly impossible to keep track of all 6 robots in the match and their interactions. Teams that were extremely reliable and consistent were also boring and seemed to get overlooked. Also, when the game was 2 on 2, a team still had a chance to overcome an unfortunate alliance pairing if their robot or drivers were good enough. It is less possible for one team to have an impact on a match now that it is 3 on 3. The other factor that I think contributed was the lack of time between the last match and the call for the representatives to be sent down to the field. I think a while back there used to be a lunch break between the last match and the pairings which gave some time for teams to really review stats and not rush into decisions based on politics.

I think it is nice that some teams that may have otherwise not had a chance in the finals got to play due to this mess. My one disappointment was that I really look forward to the matches in the finals pushing the limits in terms of scoring. When you really have the cream of the crop out there together you end up seeing some amazing stuff. There were definitely a few matches in some of the divisional eliminations that did not meet my expectations of this.

FIRST really likes to play down the importance of robot performance, but it will always be the reason that people go without sleep for the six weeks of the building season. For this reason I am really hoping that something changes for next year so that the alliance choices are a little more "predictable".

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i hate to say this, but i truly think we (1167) should have been picked. I realize we had a 4-3 record, but we could have played defense for our alliance or been on the offensive.

there were a few other teams that should have been chosen, but as i am sleepy, i cannot think of the teams right now, but the teams we played in our last match, which were 231 and 824 were great, but our win against them gave them their only loss, and they weren't chosen, though they were strong teams for a majority of the day.

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I also found this really surprising...although given I am on 201 I'm a bit biased, but we were ranked in 10th and I thought we deserved to be picked. Thanks for mentioning us :-)

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I'd like to thank everyone who has mentioned us, team 358, as a missed pick.

Being the human player, I ran out of tetras to load in 3 of our 7 matches (we capped 7 or 8 in each of those matches) and we beat some of the better teams out there on the field as well (237 who sadly also wasn't picked, 47, and 1280 I believe just to mention a few). I couldn't watch many of the matches because I was caught up in the pits much of the time, but I can assure you that some picks on Gallileo seemed to be because of poor scouting. Perhaps many of the top 8 weren't used to having to pick?

Some souting jobs were really great, though. As Pat stated, 103 had a few unlucky breaks, so they flew under the radar only to be snatched up by 16. 64 was also a great pick by 56, as they did nicely protecting that home row the whole time.

Of course, I'm biased, but I think we along with many other teams just went too unnoticed by the choosing alliances on Gallileo. We stayed up all night on Friday (our head scouter got about 20 minutes of sleep) just in case if we somehow moved into a picking position. It was very disappointing to see that some of the teams that were up there in ranking the whole competition did not do the same.

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Team 549 the DevilDawgs which finished 14th in Curie was not picked. We really thought that we were going to see some action. As it was we were on standby till the finals on Einstein. We were 30 seconds from going on when 108 broke down. Oh well, there is always next year.

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well...we have all now said that we think so and so should have been picked. but isn't this water under the bridge by this point? just saying...we should be arguing about what to do better instead of being dissapointed about the past. teams will learn from there mistakes. (trust me, we have made more than i can count) ; )
ttyl
Ben
TEAM 281

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Personally, I liked 1022 in Curie. They had some strategy problems early, but once they were able to convince their partners to let them play their game, they did it effectively. They also had a conveyer belt end effector that was, as far as I know, unique.

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I was surprised when 222 and 25 didn't get chosen. They've built amazing robots over the past couple years I've known them, and when I heard they did not get chosen, I was astonished. From what I heard from Mike on 25, they lost almost every match.

Bad alliancing usually happens, and mistakes are made. Poor scouting is always a factor as well. I would suspect that teams look at how the alliance does, not the robot itself. That's a problem I think should be fixed in team scouting plans. Look at the robot, guys, not the alliance. Big mistake.

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Since bad scouting (or rather, being in an unexpected picking position or inexperience) is the reason for much of this, perhaps FIRST should try to do something about it. Maybe they could post the overall stats of their teams on their website or maybe let each team make a statement about themselves and why they should be picked and should display it. I know it sounds wierd....but if it's a problem basically every year, FIRST should perhaps do something to help.

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Thanks, its true. Oh well, we were just happy to compete!

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Yeah, that third team in the 123:7 match was 121. I agree with Rob, it was an amazing way to start the day.

Interesting bit of info:
237 was actually at the top of the list for the 47-121 alliance to pick in the second round, but due to a mixup in the communication channels, they weren't. Oh well. :)

<soapbox>
We all have to remember that the point of FIRST isn't the game... it's what we learn from the game. What did you learn? I learned that sometimes you get hit in the back of the head (by a curveball, no less!) and you just have to deal with it, move on, and do the best that you can. To heck with the game... I now know what Lexan and Delrin and snaprings and PWMs are! Without FIRST, I never would've learned that. :ahh:
</soapbox>

Dave :cool:

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Thank you. We tried hard, but it happens. This just motivates us to build an even stronger robot for next year. We'll see you in Ohio again next year. :cool:


GO 1403!!!

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Truth be told, I was astounded that 573, 1646, and 301 went home without shots at the finals in Curie. All three were great machines under good control and deserved much better.

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most definitely 25 (raider robotix) and 237 (t.r.i.b.e. sie-h2o bots)... to agree with heretic, the scouting in galileo was entirely lacking.

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Our scouting wasn't bad, but I had been convinced by people of 2 different teams to go override that and to go through a certain strategy for picking people from the unique position I was in. I had essentially bought into this risky strategy, which ended up annoying the heck out of our scouting team. I am not at all disappointed with our alliance, but I wish I would have just stuck with what we wanted to do. It was our first time in that position, and I know I learned my lesson. We're still extremely pleased with how we did overall.

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i think MORE teams need a copy of Kathliks championship scouting guide!!

look in whitepapers! .. with taht and a copy of the current standings, teams could start crossing others off the list, while looking at teams taht did VERY well in other regionals but bad luck in champs could be picked!
we all have our bad matches

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7, 75, 222, 237, and 1251 should have all been picked. 237 should have been a first round pick
actually, one of our losses was replayed, and we ended up winning for a 3-4 final record. we got in 54th place out of 82 teams

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Hi... they were right next to us in the pits. I was a little surprized
we did'nt get picked either. We were 19th (5-2-0)and it was weird as
team 353 which was 65th did get picked...I guess they just
don't know us yet.

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I don't know if this is off subject or not, but with so many great teams in nationals and how close the compeition is do you think FIRST should expand the brackets at nationals to like 10 or 12 seeds?

I mean most of those 8th seeds at nationals would have been winners at most regionals, and haveing 10 alliances I don't think would water down the compeition. If a miscommunication didn't happen, Team 228 should have been the first pick on my alliance and they didn't even get picked.

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i agree, that is a good idea. i am with you that some of my favorite robots did not get picked. an expansion might mean more days for more matches, but it might be worth it.

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If we went to the top 16 that would be huge. Or even top 12 & the top seeds get a first round bye. 1 whole extra round of elimination matches would take some time. Although if we could cut the speeches down we might get out of there a little bit early next year.

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I agree, team 88 definitely should have been picked. I don't know how they did at nationals, but they were at both of the regionals we attended. (In fact, they were seated in front of us at one regional and next to us at the other.) They are a very spirited team and they have a really good robot. I was so surprised when I walked by a couple of the guys from team 88 and they told me that they weren't in the finals, I actually called one of my team mates in the stands to tell her.
I was also surprised that team 138 wasn't picked. They were our first choice at BAE. (we ended up being finalists) Our scouting system was not very good at BAE (It basically consisted of "Who do you think is good?") and none of us were quite sure how they would do. They ended up being a great pick. (and also a very nice group of people) I was really happy that they ended up getting to play.
I was also sad to see that teams 007 and 122 who we were with in Annapolis were not picked. They were both really good.
I definitely agree that there should be more time in between the end of qualifying matches and the begining of picking. Due to the limited time between the end of our last match and the beginning of alliance picking, the person who usually does our alliance picking (our human player) and I (the scout captain) didn't make it to the field until we had already made our first pick. Thank god our driver knew who our first choice was and had the opportunity to pick them. We then figured out our second choice by making hand signals (this is difficult as I do not have 108 fingers and there were quite a few teams in our division who's team number had the numbers 1 and 8 in it) and finally writing numbers on the back of our scouting sheets and holding them up.
We have developed a very objective scouting system (which I am very proud of) which works really well and nearly ensures that we don't overlook good teams, no matter what their seed. However, at BAE our scouting system was purely subjective and I am sure that we overlooked good teams simply because no one remembered them.

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Thanks to all those recognized our robot! Yeah, we were dissapointed we didn't get picked but that's just how the game goes. We don't seem to have great luck getting picked at nationals. We went undefeated at nats in 2003 and were seeded in the top 15 and didn't get picked. So, as I claim, we still went "undefeated" at the 2003 nationals.

As for teams I feel should have been picked... 237, 1403, and 25 all stick out in my mind. They were all amazing at the NJ regional. 222 was also a great robot.

Hopefully we'll see you all in our division next year!

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Thanxs. We tried out hardest out there and our team is proud of what we accomplished. I was also surprised to see that your team, 75, didn't get picked. You were consistent performers and very good at what you did. I was also surprised that teams 237, 222, 1279 and 25 didn't get picked. I know 25 had some mechanical issues, but they still performed really well. Don't worry guys, we'll get em' next year. :p

GO 1403, 75, 237, 1279, and 25!!!

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I know its been said, but I have to say it again:

237- they were awesome in finger lakes, and they were one of thye few teams that could actually cap a vision tetra in auto. Plus, they worked really well in a team.

301 - These people were also awesome, controlling the home row for us in detroit.

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Re: those Mechanical Issues- Last weekend at PARC throughout the day we once again had the same mechanical issues and the mast mechanism seemed to be getting slower and slower. It totally shot the seeding rounds while we replaced the motor and tried to trouble shoot what was wrong.

It turns out that at Nats when we uncrated the robot we had told the kids who worked on the robot to check all the screws and make sure nothing was loose or missing- simple procedure.

So they did- and tightened down all the loose screws they found-

Including all the axle hubs for the pulleys inside the tower making the entire mechanism a lesson in friction. There was enough power to move the tower but the resistance eliminated the ability to lift tetras.

At lunch at PARC we finally noticed the error and fixed it.

Needless to say- the elimination rounds went MUCH better.....


This is how you learn.... :rolleyes:

WC