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David Brinza 26-04-2005 23:29

Re: Should referees signal disqualifications?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wetzel
In this case, we discussed it in the huddle and decided there. Before then it wasn't a penatly, just possibly a penalty.



At any rate, this is an empty argument. It doesn't matter what others do, you are still responsible for your actions. You were overaggressive and caused 435 to tip, regardless of if they were were DQ'ed or not.


Wetzel

You're right. We made a mistake and paid the price.

I think you and the rest of the volunteer referees have a very difficult and thankless job. FIRST does things that no other competitive entity attempts. It invents a new, complicated game every year. You guys are on the firing line because you need to make split-second decisions with rules that evolve during the season. Please don't consider my posts as personal criticism, in the heat of battle, the tendency is to cry "foul"...

nobrakes8 27-04-2005 00:39

Re: Should referees signal disqualifications?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Brinza
You're right. We made a mistake and paid the price.

I think you and the rest of the volunteer referees have a very difficult and thankless job. FIRST does things that no other competitive entity attempts. It invents a new, complicated game every year. You guys are on the firing line because you need to make split-second decisions with rules that evolve during the season. Please don't consider my posts as personal criticism, in the heat of battle, the tendency is to cry "foul"...

It's a valid arguement you made, I just think because your team was negativley affected by it, you may not have seen how tough a call it was with 1071. I think the refs had guts to DQ either team that match because from what I saw it was mostly accidents (although I didn't see team 435 go down, but with 3 vetran teams on the red alliance playing in elimination rounds at nationals plus the way all 6 robots played I think eveybody knows it was just hard play, not going out to destroy eachother)

If however if it was no doubt and a team kept ramming into another team, then that should be flagged on the spot since its fair to say they were out to damage another team. I don't think in this match or the next match it would have been practical to make the call before the huddel.

kevinw 27-04-2005 01:01

Re: Should referees signal disqualifications?
 
I agree with the dq's, and would have dq'd both teams as well.

However, I am confused about why the teams weren't disabled.

nobrakes8 27-04-2005 01:21

Re: Should referees signal disqualifications?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kevinw
I agree with the dq's, and would have dq'd both teams as well.

However, I am confused about why the teams weren't disabled.

I think it's because neither team was out there to do it on purpose and neither team was acting recklessly. I can speak for 1071 when I say we were just trying to play cleanly but made a mistake. I think the refs could tell the difference between the teams out to damage another team, and teams that just screws up, which I really believe happened in all 3 DQs during those 4 matches.


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