Bringing a member from another team to competition
 

Has anyone ever brought a member of another team along to a competition? I know some team did that at the Championship. What do you think about it? Good PR / GP idea?

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Sure - why the heck not?!

Unless they are taking the seat of someone on your team, I don't see why it wouldn't be a good idea. (And, if you cancel out the negitives in that last, poorly worded sentence, you get => I see why it would be a good idea.)

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Technically just because you think something is not, not good doesn't necessarilly mean you think it is good. But I know what you mean. :)

I think it is totally fine as long as the person isn't "leaving" their own team and joining this other team for the pupose of hating their own team or anything like that.

Let's go by this general rule:
If it is friendly, it must be good. I just made that up, I really have no idea why. LOL

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what team do you know of that brought someone from another team?

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Team 972 has a former mentor and student from 100, so when they couldn't make it to Atlanta last year, we invited anyone from their team who wanted to go, to come with us.

It worked out fine, and we all had a good time.

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There are many cases in which teams offer seats and/or hotel rooms to other individuals to attend a competition, particularly nationals.

I think you pose a great question, so I will try to answer it from a few points of view.

1) The student being invited to come

Usually more than happy to attend, these students are A) teamless or B) there team didn't qualify and hope to be inspired or see old friends. They are happy to pay the bus and/or hotel fees and for their own meals and such, so there is a profit to your team. Most generally they stay with you but act independently of the team.

2) The Student Doing the Inviting

I think whoever pays for the arrangements should do the inviting. Example: Our finances are managed through a Purdue University Account that the students do not have access to. Not all of the money comes out of our pockets, therefore it is inappropriate for a student to post an announcement (without prior approval) about bus seat or hotel room availability. If a mentor OKs it, have at it. If every student pays their own way, totally, and there is room on the bus according to whomever is organizing the bus trip, have at it. But it never hurts to get approval from whoever is in charge.

3) Any individual from your team being ousted so a non-teammember can attend

Big no-no. If your boyfriend really wants to come, but it would involve not letting a nice kid on your team come, then it's a no-no. The team is first in travel arrangements, and then guests.

4) Mentor Point of View

Generally, adding guests is a huge hassle for mentors. The guest(s) should be added when preliminary travel arrangements are being made if possible, because this ensures that travel arragnements are concrete and that there's advanced warning. Keep in mind that there is likely to be (because of your school policy) a responsible adult making sure you're not drinking or doing drugs or other school unapproved things. To those of you who travel without someone adult with you: it's fine, if you're cool with it, but I'll tell you this...having an adult there is good to have. Mentors/parents are responsible for your health. So if an injury occurs to the guest or yourself on this trip, liability wise they are responsible for taking care of the guest.

The only way to avoid this liability is to have a contract for all guests that denies that need. I was injured in ATL, and a mentor put down a deposit for a wheelchair at the dome. Talk about a sigh of relief.

Most importantly, have fun. These are just some point of views to consider before you bring people along. Teams 1511 & 66 & others (those ar ejust two I know offhand) brought guests on their bus or with them in general. Correct me if I'm wrong, but spreading the word of FIRST to people who couldn't otherwise attend is fulfilling the program goal.

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294 has taken members from our mentee teams two of the last three years. They never took anybody's seat, and they were paid for by the team. These teams don't have money to travel, so we like to give a few of the kids the experience.

-Daniel

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team 1511 brought someone from team 1559 to Cleavland, Toronto and Atlanta. she showed interest in doing more with robotics since her team ended for the year so 1511 open their arms to her and other members of the team although she was the only one to go. this did cause issues with her team but everything is fine and i think as long as people have a good time and there are spots available to go i see no problems with it

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When you think about all the camaraderie that takes place between teams at competition, I think travelling together would be enjoyable way to extend that interaction.

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We didn't take anybody from another team with "us".. but we did travel with our sister team on the bus and airplane to Atlanta (although they aren't too happy with us after alliance selections :( )... Unfortunatly the two teams had their group of friends and didn't really talk to eachother much, but we probably could have tried to break the ice if we tried to. (everybody had their own friends)...

Going with team 228 saved both teams a lot of fustration because parents didnt need to go the airport and saved a lot of money because we got 1 coach bus instead of getting 2 coach buses to go as two teams..

Obviously the bad side of it is when your traveling with another team and have a miscommunication during alliance selections and then need to get on a two hour plane ride and 2 and a half hour bus ride with a team that feels betrayed.

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I actually went to the Midwest regional and was part of team 27. My team couldn't go to nationals because of money reasons and being my first year and also a senior I really wanted to see some of the older teams I had been hearing about. Rush is one of my mentor's old team so we took the 5 hour drive to Michigan. There team took me in like one of there own and i would like to thank them again for that. It was a great experience to see how another team runs and if anyone has the opportunity I would recommend taking advantage of it!!!

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Great responses here by Greg Needel and Eugenia Gabrielov,

I'd like to add that our rookie team did "adopt" a member of another team, who became a big ASSET to our team and was warmly welcomed.

In fact, next year, I'd suggest that all teams look around their home towns to see if a non-qualifying team would like to fund/support team members being "ghosts" of your own team. Sure, there are all the usual issues of chaperoning, security, inter-team jealousy, etc.....but it's all called gracious professionalism.

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This year, my friend's team didn't qualify to go to Atlanta. We both wanted to volunteer at Championships, so we roomed together and volunteered for FLL. It was so much fun having someone that I knew outside of my team there! But for local competitions, we invite all of our non-FIRST friends, to try to get them involved.

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Team 48 provided invited a student from one of the teams we mentor(team 276) to come to the championship.
I believe if there's extra room a team should invite other FIRST students to come along, especially if a team wasn't able to qualify. It gives everyone a chance to experience the FIRST atmosphere

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In 2003, we took three members of Team #144 to Nationals with our team. They were seniors on 144 and had been National Finalists the year before but the team did not qualify. I was the former advisor for 144 and knew the students well. They were well received by 1038 and worked hard with our team. There were logistical problems - their school did not want them going, our school was providing transportation (travel liability waivers) and lodging. They met my expectations and their parents gladly signed the waivers and released them from school for educational purposes. It could have been a mess if anything happened and we did not have any waivers signed by parents and school officials.
On a side note, we also picked up members from the former team #979, who were also seniors and had been on 979 for three years. We welcomed them for the entire build season and competition season as well. One (dddriveman) ended up as the primary driver for us this year and the other was instrumental in our scouting. A real pleasure having good, hard-working students added to our hard-working team. If all teams look around in their communities, I'm sure you'll find "homeless" FIRST'ers both student and mentors. Those who come looking for you are the real gems though!

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This idea is the basis of MOE. We will accept any high school student who does not currently have a team in their school. After the Championships, we will make presentations to as many high schools as possible and try to get them to start new FRC teams. Once a team is formed, we will not accept new students from that school; we want their talents and capabilities to help develop their school team into a strong member of FIRST.

One home-schooled student a couple years ago drove 2.5 hours to attend our meetings. The local school policy where he lived limited team membership to students enrolled in that specific school. Not necessarily a bad decision, but one that we don't have to deal with since there is no BOE setting our policy.

All students should have the opportunity to participate in FIRST, if they are willing to accept the responsibilities that go along with being part of a team.

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we got 2 members of (547) + 2 of their family members to come to cheer for us.. and join the celebrations.. they made it to champs most years.. but this year they didn't..

they are the tenesee team

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We were joking before Atlanta that RAGE was having a sleepover party! We had Dez ride down with us on the bus to Chespeake and he stayed with us in the hotel; he met up with us in the Chicago airport and flew the rest of the way to Champs with us, as did Cory; and we had Dez stay with us in Atlanta and offered to have two others stay with us as well; and we accomodated a FIRST Senior Mentor who needed a room for one night. We had one of our own mentors arrive early; four team members flying on different flights and days; another mentor arriving the next day. I make up a spreadsheet (attendance sheet) for every day anyway, so we just added the appropriate names to the days so we knew we had everyone we were supposed to have when we boarded the bus!

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This year, and last year, Mr.Henry and his son (last year) and his wife(this year) from Rosie Robotics drove our tuck all the way down to Atlanta. Which was really nice again (thank you so much once again), they stayed with our team, becuase their team didn't go to Atlanta.

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My freshman year in HS I wasn't on the team for a couple of reasons A) I had soooo many other things going on, and B) at that time, word about the team was mainly spread by former/returning team members from each HS (4 HS team) and there was only one from my school, so I didn't really know that much about it.

Anyway, my mom worked in the office at the BOE that supervised Hammond's FIRST team and she dragged me out of bed one Saturday morning (much to my dismay, might I add!) to drive up to Evanston to see the Midwest regional. The team totally treated me like I belonged, even though I didn't, and I was hooked. That year I ended up going to IRI with the team, and, literally on the spur of the moment, I also traveled that summer to the Baxter Ozark Mountain Brawl (great off-season comp, btw....wish it still existed) with the team. My family was responsible for my hotel stay and, I believe, a bus fee, but the team always treated me like I belonged, and that was one of the major things that drew me to FIRST.

The next year I joined the team and I've been involved in FIRST in some way or another ever since. So, if you don't have another team around that you can invite people from, it's also a great consideration to invite other people from your high school(s) who may not know what FIRST is all about, with the goal of maybe recruiting for next year's team.

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Well, This year I went with a team to some regionals, and the championship. I thought it was a good learning experience, and now my own team will have someone with experience of travelling and how other things in FIRST work. The only problem was that they didnt understand at first, they thought I was abandoning them. So if the person is on a team, and going with another.. they should assure there team that they are not leaving them, just to make sure there are no misunderstandings.

-Ashley :)

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What about off-season events?

Should the individual pay or should the team? Which team?

I know I would pay my way completely.

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This year, i mooched off another team twice.

At UTC, i hitched rides with 195 and helped cheer for them in return. I also gave them some strategy advice.

At Philadelphia, i stayed with 56. I helped with ECDU, Scouting, Strategy, and whatever else they needed help with.

Its always good to see how other teams work, and how you can use their ideas for your team, or show them what your team does if you think its better.

And ya, you are probably best off paying for yourself. Thats the right thing to do. If they offer to pay, then it would be up to you.

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121 Brought ME, another student and a meentor to Atlanta, They covered the bus and the Saturday party and we payed for the hotel for ourselves.

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First Off I wouldn't mind inviting another member from a different team as long as:
1) they pay their own way if they can not be sponsored financially by the team inviting them.
2) they are not a known troublemaker ( not every team has a trouble maker b/c many teams have high standards set so that they weed these students out )

(this really is not the same as the original post above but I'll try and make some sense out of it)
For Instance I asked my old team coach if I and my sister can attend the nationals with them, he gave the ok except the only issue that came up with her attending the nationals with my old team was that her school was also attending the nationals and my coach couldnt really grasp why she wanted to come down with them rather then her HS. ( out of GP I will only give a partial reason why she wouldn't go down with her HS - Shes not a big fan of her HS nor does she like it in general ) =(

Getting back on track here: I give it a thumbs up to bringing other members with you to the competitions. I don't see any real reason why it would be a problem to bring them with you.

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i went with 1083 to IRI last Year

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Well, they should not expecting it to be free. But, if the team offers to pay then they could always graciously accept. lol I know I had to pay for meals at all of them... and a few other small parts of the trip because I was lucky to have most of it covered. But ask the team how much they would want you to cover if you went, if all, then I guess thats what you gotta do to do what you wanna do :)