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Koko Ed 10-05-2005 18:25

Top 1,000 schools in the country.
 
This Newsweek article list the top 1,000 schools in the USA.
I wonder how many of those schools are involved with FIRST?
Wilson Magnet is #27.

Daniel Brim 10-05-2005 18:31

Re: Top 1,000 schools in the country.
 
Mira Costa is 214 (was 206)
Redondo Union High School is 592 (was 525)
(no wonder I'm tenth in my class :D )

Both have fallen from the last list that was published :(

Ryan Albright 10-05-2005 18:36

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Is this list just of public schools, i cannot find my school but i also went to a private school

Bcahn836 10-05-2005 18:43

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My current high school is ranked in 796th place and my old high school that I attended my freshmen and sophomore year is ranked 806th. And both of these high schools make up the majority of our team, because we are a multi school team.

MrToast 10-05-2005 18:55

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Huh, I didn't see a single school from lil' Rhodey on that list. :? (yes, I looked)

Darn :P

Dave

Billfred 10-05-2005 18:56

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Well, Dutch Fork High School (one of the schools of 1293) is #563. My alma mater (Irmo) and Chapin, the third member of our team, is not on the list.

Cory 10-05-2005 19:02

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#2 is Team 469
#3 is Team 86
#259 is Team 766
#619 is Team 972
#720 is Team 100

Koko Ed 10-05-2005 19:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan Albright
Is this list just of public schools, i cannot find my school but i also went to a private school

I think the reason private school are never listed is because they can pick and choose what students attend thier school (if you're slacking, you're out) while public schools have to take everybody.

Conor Ryan 10-05-2005 19:06

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We are 439, but if i'm right number 13 is Coral Reef, if i'm not mistaken isn't that the home of 233?


Well anyway i've got some beef with this, if you didn't know and just looked up your school, they simply just took the Number of AP tests given at your school and divided that by the number of graduating seniors. What kind of ranking system is that? They didn't even take in to consideration SATs, ACTs, College Placement, Cost per Student, and stuff like that. They didn't even label if the school was Public or Private.

Oh but wait i haven't even gotten to my good point yet, they didn't even count some of the more famous schools in the Nation that are, in fact Public, schools like Stuyvesant in New York (home of 694) or Thomas Jefferson in Va or the Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy in Ill. or Lowell High in San Francisco so you may be in the top 100, but not really the top 100 in the nation. The reason they gave why those schools weren't on the list? They were too selective, the schools that are on the top of the list, guess what! they are mostly selective public schools!

Well anyway its a cool stat, but its Totally Mislabeled.

Koko Ed 10-05-2005 19:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cdr1122334455
We are 439, but if i'm right number 13 is Coral Reef, if i'm not mistaken isn't that the home of 233?


Well anyway i've got some beef with this, if you didn't know and just looked up your school, they simply just took the Number of AP tests given at your school and divided that by the number of graduating seniors. What kind of ranking system is that? They didn't even take in to consideration SATs, ACTs, College Placement, Cost per Student, and stuff like that. They didn't even label if the school was Public or Private.

Oh but wait i haven't even gotten to my good point yet, they didn't even count some of the more famous schools in the Nation that are, in fact Public, schools like Stuyvesant in New York (home of 694) or Thomas Jefferson in Va or the Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy in Ill. or Lowell High in San Francisco so you may be in the top 100, but not really the top 100 in the nation. The reason they gave why those schools weren't on the list? They were too selective, the schools that are on the top of the list, guess what! they are mostly selective public schools!

Well anyway its a cool stat, but its Totally Mislabeled.

I don't think the list is a 100% accurate barometer of the quality of the school. Things like graduation rate, facilities, courses and programs, how many students went on to collage and the level of degrees those students got and such should also be accounted for.

Yan Wang 10-05-2005 19:18

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Ithaca high school is ranked #310 according to Newsweek's formula: "the number of Advanced Placement or International Baccalaureate tests taken by all students at a school in 2004 divided by the number of graduating seniors", which is pretty lame :P Does it take into account the scores achieved? I can see how to easily inflate a school's score by just having more people take tests.

The Wall Street Journal attempted to rank high schools too last year based on acceptance into top universities (Ivy Leagues & places like MIT/Stanford). Ithaca ranked 4th* in that and the top 3 were private schools so we felt like first in terms of public schools. I find this measure to be a more accurate measure of a schoo's ability to educate its students and how well those students' abilities reflect that. But it's still not close to perfect.

*Edit: This measurement sucks too. The reason we're that high is the fact that Cornell University IS Ithaca. The relationship between Ithaca High School and CU is very good and 60+ seniors are accepted there per year (out of 350). So that kinda inflates our standing for Ivy Leagues.

tiffany34990 10-05-2005 19:22

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346 | South Fork* | Stuart | Fla. | 1.840 | 16.9

444 | Martin County | Stuart | Fla. | 1.670 | 18.5

there are the two hs from my county...jensen is new so yeah not on the list...

BUT MY SCHOOL IS NUMBER ONE IN THE COUNTY!! yay! go pitchfork hs aka the other school!! yay for south fork!! go the bulldogs... :D

martin county hs usually beats us in everything with standing in the past!


this was nice morning news.. my principal announced it and said out of 72 teams lol..instead of 72000 :p

funny how they do this though...it really doesn't matter this list does it???

Kyle 10-05-2005 19:23

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430 | A.I. duPont | Wilmington | Delaware

Only one of MOE's 12 schools made the list but I was surprised to see any DE school get on that list.

Cynette 10-05-2005 19:29

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Penfield HS, Home of 1511 Rolling Thunder is #362.

Alex Cormier 10-05-2005 19:38

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Victor is #649
R/H is # 970

and no surprise mines not up there. :]

Koko Ed 10-05-2005 19:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier
Victor is #649
R/H is # 970

and no surprise mines not up there. :]

Look again Alex both Webster schools are listed. Shcroder is in the 500's and Thomas is in the 700's.

Cynette 10-05-2005 19:44

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Isn't 1126 from a combo of these?

Webster Schroeder is 536
Webster Thomas is 737

Koko Ed 10-05-2005 19:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mocat1530
Isn't 1126 from a combo of these?

Webster Schroeder is 536
Webster Thomas is 737

See?
Though I think Schroeder will be rubbing Thomas' nose in it for at least a year (if their rivalry is still on). ;)

Alex Cormier 10-05-2005 19:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
See?
Though I think Schroeder will be rubbing Thomas' nose in it for at least a year (if their rivalry is still on). ;)

im tired.

well ya should have known we a football town. and who beat who last year? thats right 04 it was sch. 14, us 13 but no this year us 14 them 13. so THOMAS BETTER! :D

Koko Ed 10-05-2005 19:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier
im tired.

well ya should have known we a football town. and who beat who last year? thats right 04 it was sch. 14, us 13 but no this year us 14 them 13. so THOMAS BETTER! :D

I'm an East High Oreintal. :p
Oh waitaminute....

Alex Pelan 10-05-2005 20:00

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No surprise that we're not on the list, seeing as how we have 1600 people, and only about 100 of them ever take an ap test. Funny, seeing how people move to our town because of the "good" schools. I don't like this system.

Joshua May 11-05-2005 09:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Pelan
No surprise that we're not on the list, seeing as how we have 1600 people, and only about 100 of them ever take an ap test. Funny, seeing how people move to our town because of the "good" schools. I don't like this system.

How's 3500, and only about 200 take an ap test.

My school's not on the list, to no surprise honestly.

Jessica Boucher 11-05-2005 09:53

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Wilson Magnet was also mentioned over here in an article highlighting schools with innovative solutions.

Quote:

A Bridge to College

In 2002, a star student at Wilson Magnet School in Rochester, N.Y., told science teacher George Wolfe that she was leaving the rigorous IB program because it was just too much work. Wolfe couldn't convince her that the IB diploma would make a difference in college admissions. He needed to find another lure—and he did at the University of Rochester, just across the Genesee River. Because of Wolfe, Rochester now offers free tuition to Wilson's IB diploma grads. Jon Burdick, Rochester's dean of admissions, says Wolfe's idea was appealing because the private research university wanted to keep bright, inner-city students in Rochester. About half of Wilson's 57 IB seniors are expected to get the program's diploma after exams this month and about 10 plan to attend the U of R. Wilson's reputation attracted 600 applications for 150 freshman spots this year. The message is getting out: hard work pays off.

CourtneyB 11-05-2005 10:37

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ouch that really sucks that rollign meadows h.s isnt in the top 1000 lol. we almost passed the test for no child left behind. but hey what can u say...we all called Rolling Ghettos :yikes:

Wetzel 11-05-2005 13:42

Re: Top 1,000 schools in the country.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cdr1122334455
Oh but wait i haven't even gotten to my good point yet, they didn't even count some of the more famous schools in the Nation that are, in fact Public, schools like Stuyvesant in New York (home of 694) or Thomas Jefferson in Va or the Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy in Ill. or Lowell High in San Francisco so you may be in the top 100, but not really the top 100 in the nation. The reason they gave why those schools weren't on the list? They were too selective, the schools that are on the top of the list, guess what! they are mostly selective public schools!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newsweek
Newsweek excluded schools with strict academic admissions criteria that prohibit motivated, average students from attending.

If a school has a magnet program, it is included if they have non magnet students. TJ here in Fairfax is a public school, but is an entirely magnet school that is highly selective. If it was on the list, TJ would be number 4, at 7.142. I looked for the number one school on the list, but was only able to find a Jefferson County school district, but no "Jefferson County" school.

H-B Woodlawn, in Arlington, is only open to students by a lottery system, and AP tests are required. That kind of skews the results for this list, but it is still a really neat school.

TJ is usually listed as one of the best public schools in the country. SAT average of 1482, 97.8% go straight to a four year university, 81% of the teachers have masters or PhDs, robotics labs....the school is awesome. They have a biotech lab where they play with recombinant DNA and do DNA sequencing! Most of the labs are listed here.

At any rate, my sister is at TJ right now, and it is a hard school, but she likes it.

Wetzel

Lil' Lavery 11-05-2005 15:58

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Herndon High School (116) is ranked 174th.
Chantilly(612) is 94th.
Oakton (623) is 103rd, and Hayfield (614) is 222nd. I think all 13 of the Fairfax County High Schools (aside of TJ as Wetzel mentioned) are in the top 300.
Walt Whitman(1389) is 107th.

I to think the formula needs to take in more factors.

Andrew Rudolph 11-05-2005 17:44

Re: Top 1,000 schools in the country.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cdr1122334455
We are 439, but if i'm right number 13 is Coral Reef, if i'm not mistaken isn't that the home of 233?


No Coral reef isnt where 233 is from, Coral reef is a school down here in miami-dade county. 233 is Cocoa Beach high and Rockledge High. I havent looked to see if thier on the list.

Alex Cormier 11-05-2005 17:48

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so is the best FIRST school team X-cats at #27?

Wetzel 11-05-2005 17:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier
so is the best FIRST school team X-cats at #27?

No, #23 George Mason High School has team 1418. Sorry X-Cats. \

Wetzel

Greg Ross 11-05-2005 18:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
I wonder how many of those schools are involved with FIRST?

Just looking at the California schools:

#57 Monta Vista, Cupertino (115)
#214 Mira Costa, Manhattan Beach (294)
#301 Arcadia, Arcadia (867)
#319 Crescenta Valley, La Crescenta (598)
#330 Palo Alto, Palo Alto (8)
#377 Granada Hills, Los Angeles (599)
#562 Davis, Davis (1678)
#592 Redondo Union, Redondo Beach (294)
#685 California Academy of Math and Science, Carson (687)
#740 Hart, Newhall (691)
#752 King Drew Medical Magnet, Los Angeles (606)
#771 Madison, San Diego (1266)
#818 South, Torrance (1197)
#927 Chatsworth, Chatsworth (22)
#972 Culver City, Culver City (702)
#1016 Woodbridge, Irvine (1047)

Sorry if I missed anybody.

Corey Balint 11-05-2005 18:44

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Wow. I seriously just fell out of my chair laughing. North Brunswick is number 754 on the list. I honestly never thought we would have a chance of being up there. Although it is all starting to make sense now. Our teachers have always told us of our high Standardized test scores, AP test scores, and SAT scores. So its all starting to connect together.

Wetzel 11-05-2005 18:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Corey Balint
Wow. I seriously just fell out of my chair laughing. North Brunswick is number 754 on the list. I honestly never thought we would have a chance of being up there. Although it is all starting to make sense now. Our teachers have always told us of our high Standardized test scores, AP test scores, and SAT scores. So its all starting to connect together.

It has nothing to do with the actual scores, it is only how many AP and IB tests per student.

Wetzel

Corey Balint 11-05-2005 18:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wetzel
It has nothing to do with the actual scores, it is only how many AP and IB tests per student.

Wetzel

Ah. Well then it still makes some sense. We have to use our brand new gigantic library to fit all the students for each test, so it still fits together.

Koko Ed 11-05-2005 19:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier
so is the best FIRST school team X-cats at #27?

Nope Las Guerrillas(469) at number 2. They were number 1 and the team was featured in the article.

Koko Ed 11-05-2005 19:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Rudolph
No Coral reef isnt where 233 is from, Coral reef is a school down here in miami-dade county. 233 is Cocoa Beach high and Rockledge High. I havent looked to see if thier on the list.

I saw them on the list. I think they're in the hundreds.

MissInformation 11-05-2005 20:00

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I have to admit, I was a little surprised not to see two schools from Baltimore on the list: Baltimore Polytechnic Institute and Western High School.

Poly is an engineering school,their Class of 2004 average combined SAT score — 1040 (the National combined SAT score was 1026). 95% of their students go onto higher education, they started out as an all male public school but are now 57% male, 43% female (they do not have a robot team).

Western is the high school I went to. It is still an all girl public school, though some classes are now co-ed. They had a college placement of 100% last school year. They do participate in the MESA program, which is a special pre-college program at Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory. They do not have a robot team.

Heidi

Koko Ed 21-05-2006 21:50

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The list is updated for 2006
Wilson Magnet is now up to 24th! :cool:

anna~marie 21-05-2006 21:56

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hmm don't see mine lol but that doesn't suprise me

Koko Ed 21-05-2006 21:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anna~marie
hmm don't see mine lol but that doesn't suprise me

If you go back a page they have 1,200 schools listed.
It would be cool to figure out how many are in FIRST.
I know in 2004 when they did the countdown LAs Guerilla's championship winning robotics team was the leading picture to the story. Pretty cool it was.

Freddy Schurr 21-05-2006 23:10

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It is late and don't have time to look at the entire list but will check it out later.

Rick TYler 21-05-2006 23:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
This Newsweek article list the top 1,000 schools in the USA.
I wonder how many of those schools are involved with FIRST?
Wilson Magnet is #27.

You might want to read this article in the New York Times about the methodology Newsweek used. If the Times is correct, the ranking is useless as a measure of "best schools." YMMV.

Koko Ed 22-05-2006 05:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick TYler
You might want to read this article in the New York Times about the methodology Newsweek used. If the Times is correct, the ranking is useless as a measure of "best schools." YMMV.

Yeah, the ranking sustem does seem a bit strange.

wendymom 22-05-2006 11:01

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1902 Exploding Bacon consists of
#176 University High
#287 Winter Park High

OINK OINK BOOM

Tazlikesrobots 22-05-2006 11:18

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Team 1745 - J.J. Pearce High School is ranked 502nd!

Ashley Weed 22-05-2006 11:26

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962 Wissahickon Ambler Pa. 1.233 5.0

Miss Daisy, 341, made the list from PA.

Kristian Calhoun 22-05-2006 17:04

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Let's see, here are some NJ teams that made the 2006 list...

308 Montgomery Skillman N.J. (1403)
356 West Windsor-Plainsboro South Princeton Junction N.J.
471 West Windsor-Plainsboro North Plainsboro N.J. (i believe that one of these is 1923)
1145 Pascack Valley Hillsdale N.J. (1676)

Wayne C. 22-05-2006 17:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Corey Balint
Wow. I seriously just fell out of my chair laughing. North Brunswick is number 754 on the list. I honestly never thought we would have a chance of being up there. Although it is all starting to make sense now. Our teachers have always told us of our high Standardized test scores, AP test scores, and SAT scores. So its all starting to connect together.


obviously the survey takers have never really looked too hard...... :rolleyes:

WC

Simon Strauss 22-05-2006 19:09

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i know its just based off of % AP but something still doesn't seem right, Brooklyn Tech team 334 is ranked 404 while neither Bronx Science team 1155 or Stuyvesant High team 694, the two schools ranked higher than Tech on the NYC magnet test, are on the list.

IraJason 23-05-2006 23:49

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Here's something to think about...

Lower Merion, the school that I and the rest of team 1712 goes to, has gone in the ranks from 121 in 2003, to not ranked in 2005, to 979 for 2006...

Something's a little strange here...

sciencenerd 24-05-2006 01:01

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Three schools from the district adjacent to mine, Bellevue district, are in the top 50 (Interlake (24), Newport (32) and Bellevue High (41)). This is because that district requires all students take one or more AP tests at some point during high school. It does not require them to pass the test, just to take them. This system means even those at the bottom of the student population, the people who really struggle, and probably don't have a hope in college still must take an AP test. Although for some it is a joke, as they are certain to fail, that district still requires them to sign up. This type of student may be better served by not taking an AP class, and instead taking a normal class where they won't give up from the beginning, because they still have a chance to do well. Basically, the school district invoked this program to look better on surveys like this one, not for the good of the students. This is very poor leadership, and should get the superintendent fired. I think AP courses are great things, and I'm taking as many as I can throughout high school, but they are not for everyone.

RoboMom 24-05-2006 09:27

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Analyzing the pitfalls of this survey would be a great AP Stats exercise (but I know it's not happening this year because you've all already taken the exam!)


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