Fans Of Michael Moore
 

I just wondered if on these vast chief-delphi forums there were any other fans of michael moore?

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one right here!

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I think his movies are entertaining, and generally my political views are similar to his.

I don't think you can watch one of his movies, take everything at face value, and consider yourself informed on the issues he presents. Like any filmmaker, he's presenting only one side to the story-one very biased side.

Good "thinking" entertainment-bad singular source of information.

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I agree Cory. While he does bring up many points to look at that everyone should, his outcome in terms of opinions or bias shouldn't necessaraly be yours. But remember, Robin Hood steals from the rich to give to the poor and is a great story and moral lesson, but it's not a documentary by any standards as the view of the rich and their reasons arn't listed or described. Apply that here too.

As for the first question, fan, no, supporter, his 1st ammendment rights, yes, and someone who watches his movies, enjoys them, and wants to see others, yes.

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I'm a big fan of his work in Team America:World Police, Fahrenheit 9/11 was pretty good too, a bit extreme but it was still good.

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Um, he didn't direct Team America. He only does documentaries. That was Matt Stone and Trey Parker.

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Then you need to go watch Canadian Bacon immediately. An entertaining movie.

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hilarious movie!

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He made a guest appearance in the movie, however.

Yeah, I'm a fan of Michael Moore, I like his style of documentary and my political views are aligned with his.

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I don't like his style of "documentary". There is nothing objective about his films and calling them documentaries is misleading and wrong.

Wetzel

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Ah, not quite.... Michael Moore's films aren't documentaries, they're editorials. They present his opinions, not objective facts.

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he does presents his material interestly....you have to call them editorals because it's based on his views....

he just makes you think about various issues which is pretty cool....

i do like a lot of this work though...

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Saying that his documentries are informative and truthful is like saying that we never landed on the moon.


I wonder that that millionare is going to do with all that money he made from the F9/11 movie to help the "poor" people in this country he always talks about.....

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Well, a 1 minute google search found this

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0702-07.htm

Says that 60% of the profits are going to charaties.

And then CNN has a story

http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/02/news...eit_charities/

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The 60% of the net profits going to charity is actually from Disney's share of the profits, not from Michael Moore's own money. He actually did make that much (relative to the normal take of a director/producer of a $100 million plus grossing movie) on the movie. On the other hand, he actually does give quite a bit of money and his own time to organizations which help the poor and to other causes.

I am not sure what the quotation marks around poor were supposed to signify, but I am hoping not a disdain for there actually being poor people who need help. There are actually quite a few poor people in this country.

I completely agree that Mr. Moore's movies are not balanced and objective. They are editorials. This does not necessarily mean they are not also documentaries. Being a documentary just means presenting facts. There is really nothing about making a documentary that requires objectivity. In fact many if not most documentaries are attempts to prove a point and are inherently editorial in nature.

I don't particularly care for his style of political persuasion, though I do think he has a lot of talent for humor and makes movies that people like to watch. If you are going to use humor to "go for the jugular" I think satire is better medium.

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In the recent past, a thread here about atheism effectively became, simultaneoulsy, a debate about whether we ought to be allowed to discuss atheism at all and a challenge to the atheist viewpoint.

Here, we have a thread specifically in search of "fans of Michael Moore." This is not a thread for people who dislike Michael Moore and it might do some a bit of good to recognize and respect that and keep quiet about their discontent. If you feel compelled to proselytize further about Michael Moore's work, perhaps you'd consider starting your own thread in search of like-minded people.

Debate and conversation should be encouraged, of course, but it is equally important to respect and provide safe spaces for congruent individuals to share and learn from one another in anticipation of the inevitable onslaught of ideas and views in opposition to their own.

I liked "Bowling for Columbine" but detested "Fahrenheit 9/11" and can understand why many would not like Moore's brand of 'documentary,' just as I can understand why some may not feel that atheism is a valid theology. What I am yet to understand is why those people can't afford even the slightest modicum of respect for those seeking others like themselves and, instead, must try to satiate an unceasing need to espouse their own contradictory, unsolicited views.

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I agree... I am going to school to become a documentary film maker and when we attended our first class the professor out right told us that if we were to ever make anything like his he would flunk us out of the class. He goes about making his movies the wrong way and is out to hurt people. Documentaries are not souppoused to do that... they are made to inform people.

Although I agree on this statement Moore's facts are bogus and they cannot be backed up. Take a look at his movies and then go to the "sources" he uses. When my debate team looked up his research nearly 45% of the sources are not there and another 20% are in places that provide a lot of false infornmation.

But in general I am glad that his work is out there. It is a good thing for other people to see. Even though I hate some of the movies (Bowling for Columbine is pretty good)... they cause people to think and maybe will even inspire others to do research on things that they too feel passionate about. Hey... maybe if I am lucky there will be a larger market for documentaries in the future.

-Kelli

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I respect his opinions, but I hate the way he presents them. He takes advantage of ignorant minds, by presenting a one sided argument where nearly all of his arguments can be shot down if only given a chance.

"I disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
- Voltaire

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In every editorial, there exists at least a bit of truth. There is virtually nothing composed of pure fiction, most begins with an ounce of truth. Of course it would be ridiculous to present an editorial as pure fact. There is nothing that is pure fact in this world. Everything that exists is presented with a bit of opinion, I don't care if it is Michael Moore's films or a news report on the grass growing outside the station's building. Everything spoken by humans includes opinion. I find Michael Moore's work to be good because it presents a view on situations than people may have seen before. The only way that people can be truly intelligent and educated is if they look at all sides of the situation, bo matter which they believe at the end of their research. Don't close off your mind to any possibility before you have fully analyzed all views and options.

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One Quick Clarification, I liked how he Exploded in Team America. The South Park Guys, Trey and Parker Directed Team America.

Film's Moore Directed:
Roger & Me
Canadian Bacon
The Big One
Bowling for Columbine
Fahrenheit 9/11

Coming Soon:
Sicko-About the American Healthcare System due out later this year I believe, but that probably will change.
Fahrenheit 9/11 1/2-Not so much info, but he's told the media he's working on it

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For the record-

I am not a fan of Michael Moore...


but supposedly I look like him.

I have his picture from a magazine over my desk and everyone thinks the guy with the rifle is me.

I'm not sure this is a good thing....

WC :cool:

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Sorry, but to say that everything he says is flat out wrong is just not true. Plenty of what he says has factual basis, he just twists it to fit his own purposes. This is the same thing many of his conservative counterparts do.

That's why numerous people have said you cannot take what he says at face value--you need to do your own research and draw your own conclusions, not let someone else draw them for you.

Isn't that what politics are all about? :p

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Haha, touche. :o

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it is very important to not take evrything at face value. This especially important when deciding who to vote into to the government. Always look at multiple sources and then cross reference and decide your facts from there and then and only then can you make a truely informed decision about who to vote for or what to believe. I have seen Farenheit 9-11 and its conservitive counterpart fahrenhype 9-11 and to say that they are both documenteries would be contradictory in most aspects of each other. There are actual solid facts in both but they both are also two pieces of propaganda for last years election.

thats my 2 cents

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His movies are great (Canadian Bacon is my favorite!), and F9/11 is also legal to copy and distribute for noncommercial purposes. Always a fan of that! :D

http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/04...lesharing.html

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This movie may not come out... I heard on CNN awhile back that the medical industries are told NOT to serve him with any info at all. Sadly he is known for how he butchers credibility and they don't want anything to do with him. Companies are putting up fronts and not letting him see into their buisnesses