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Would you or your team ever sell your old robot(s)?
If so, why, and who to?
Would you sell it to another FIRSTer who loved your robot? Would you sell it to a battlebot team to retrofit for a whole new era of competition? Would you sell it to a (potential new or existing) sponsor to put in their lobby? Just wondering. I always loved (of course all of them) but especially one robot (ok maybe 2) in particular in FIRST (besides my own teams of course), but would feel weird asking if: A) they even have it any more and B) whether or not they would consider selling it. :ahh: What is your general feeling on that issue if I said to you: "I love your robot from year XXXX, would you sell it to me"? What would be the biggest factor to saying yes or no? Would it be the money, or the future use of it, or something else? |
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Well, for me, my team has only made one bot since it was our first year. And for a first year bot it was amazing. And so I think I would want the school/team to keep it to show what an awesome job was done just in the first year.
Its the baby. You cant let it go! haha ...and oh yeah, who in their right mind would sell their baby? |
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I really don't think our team would sell any of our robots. Although apparently some have gone "missing" or have been completely stripped down for later robots using similar parts or for prototype bots. If we were to do something with our bots rather than let them sit around in "the cage" we would probably give one to our primary sponsor, rather than sell it to them (mostly because they have literally already paid for it.)
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If times were desperate and we were short on money or if we didn't have a place to keep them all (we are almost to this point). Otherwise, I'm pretty sure they would be kept.
I actually wanted the team to spend a little money and restore them all (because all the previous ones have been partially stripped and are in various states of disrepair) but I don't think they are interested. :( |
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We're trying to sell this one. Your's for only $10,000. |
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Our team has taken apart 2 of the 4 robots we have. My teacher has used the parts from the disassembled for various things. Occasionally he’ll sell different things to students for projects outside of school, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he sold some of the robot parts.
But as for the entire robot, we wouldn’t sell it. If anything, we may give it away to a rookie team, but not sell it. And as for the sponsors, we would give it to them if they wanted it and if we didn’t have the storage space. |
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Elgin... do you realize you are asking for my babies that I worked on for 6 straight weeks without sleep? :mad:
hahaha... it's always fun to yell at elgin. But seriously I don't think the team would sell any robots. Those robots are memories of students who worked their butt of each season. |
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Robots from past years still in one piece? What an amazing concept. Our robots always get cannibalized either in the off season while teaching the new students about building robots or during the build season while the programmers need a test bed for code and such and the current bot isn't running. We have several frames laying around, but we find the parts all to useful for other things. Not to mention, during the off season we like to show off our past creations in attempts of gaining sponsors and enlightening younger students (particularly elementary and middle school age groups). As we get more and more robots, we will quickly run out of room for them (assuming they remain in one piece). However, so long as we retain the photos and the CAD drawings and the important parts (the bumpers that were banged up within 30 seconds of being on the field, the failed and successful mechanisms and such) to hang on our wall of robotic graveyard we will be content.
So in answer to your question, I dont think there would be much of anything to sell. Although if a team or group or something really wanted it, I am sure we would attempt to make them happy. |
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I don't think Team 25 would ever sell their robots because some of them are legend - atleast to us because they have taken us upto the Einstein field and we have put in an incredible amount work planning, prototyping, THINKING ABOUT IT and ofcourse building.
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I dont think Wheeler would ever sell any of our robots. There ar so many memories that we have with those robots ever year. Such as this year, spinning in circles at like 60rpm+ for 2 straight matches, or righting ourselves up at Peachtree in the quarterfinals and then breaking in the process. And in 2004 winning Peachtree.
In short 1002 would probably sell our souls before we sold our robots. |
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i think our team has been doing first for 7 or so years and i dont think we have a SINGLE robot. its allmost a tradition to canabalize them. im trying to buy a controller from our team since we have a huge stack of them held together by rubberbands. :)
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Our team has tried really hard not to cannibilize our robots, the result being that we have 3 very cool looking, fully functional robot that we can use for demonstrations. But the bot from 4 years ago didn't fair so well. We've channeled all of our cannibilism at it, and it had stripped of almost all of it's parts. Well, we were facing storage issues, so it had to go. The funny part was that after the mentors threw it away, some team members went dumpster-diving for what was left of it.
Last I heard, it was being converted into the ultimate lawnchair transport... We'll see how that turns out :D As for the bots that were built before that... Noone has really been able to find out. But I think we all know happened :) |
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our team has the perfect solution. we just built a shed and hold everything in there.
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I am usually in the "do not disassemble old robots" school of thought, but I took special pleasure in gutting Burnout and turning her into a pile of parts. MJ and Undefined... well... you HS kids are mean during driver training. |
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hey i never got to drive MJ, but definatley one of my vavorite 229 bots. right there behind Denominator. I wanted to put her back together, but noooo, JOhn didn't want me to. Thought i should be driving the robot and getting better... oh... uhm, never mind, John was right.
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Obviously Elgin knows what we do with our bots, but for anyone else interested we usually rip them apart. Our 2004 bot is still in decent condition, so we'll probably use that to prototype design/programming ideas.
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yeah we always say were keeping our bot together but then we need a spare motor or this cable or that sensor..... yeah..... were failures.
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We tried to keep ours together, but we can't seem to manage it.
2001 - Tempo LX, Regional Winner, pile of parts. (To be fair Tempo got more or less destroyed in one match and was taken apart in a vain attempt at repair cause none of us knew anything about him :) ) 2002 - Captain, nearly perfect shape. He has the obligatory dents, bangs and scrapes of a FIRST bot, but he functioned perfectly until the end of this year when his pneumatics broke, but that's since been fixed. He's our favorite demo-bot 2003 - Worst Case Scenario, decent shape, lacking basically all his motors though, he can't move at all. 2004 - Near Precision, drive works, arm was KIA during a demo, and later disassembled, he's first on the list to be repaired next season. 2005- Sir Pinski, broken RC, the power connectors ripped out at the regional. We used a loaner from 488 in Atlanta. Waiting to have that IFI'd. So...we only have one "functioning" robot and there's no way we'd sell any of them. :) |
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2000- Cradle Robber- still intact and fully functional- was a great trainer for capping this year 2001- Robo Kong- we haven't used it in a while but the only mech problem is a damaged tether port. Other than that it works 2002- Silver Scorpion- intact except for the brakes- we took them off to replicate others for the later bots. Other than that all is working 2003- Evil Machine 1- intact but modified- we loaned this one to pre rookies for the spring games and we made it dump tetras. It works but has a few age issues. The pneumatics need some work. 2004- Evil Machine 2- fully functional - it too was modified for a pre-rookie to play in the off season and the arm is a great capper. 2005- machine without a name- of course it is still functioning and on its way to play at IRI right now We could always use new sending and receiving antennae and the tether cables we had seem to walk away...... I suggest that instead of taking apart the old machines that you find a pre-rookie school and work with them to modify an old machine to play the off season games. Then by the time they get their first kit in January they already have some experience and enthusiasm for the program. Storage- we have a small room at our HS. A local company gave us a donation of some used pallet racks and we built tiered decks for the machines. We have room for 10 now- WC :cool: |
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We stripped Hyo, our Stack Attack bot, down to it's frame and drive and electronic to drive and sold it to a 2003-2004 mentor. He was our main programmer mentor during 2003 and works for Garmin. I think he was planning on doing something with it with GPS but I've haven't talked to him in a while so I'm not sure how it is going.
Our two newer bots are in good working order and the one is headed to IRI. |
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I doubt that we would sell our robots, we seem to get attached to them. I think we still have all of ours in our showcase. :) we use our recent ones for programming.
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Our status (I don't think we would considering selling though)
Pre 2001: Stripped for parts, although various assemblies are still around. And BTW for anybody who cares: floppies make great Frisbees. 2001: Championship winning robot ("the Champ"). It is still together, now basically used as a programming test vehicle, but we recently fried the drill motor and we don't have any more of that year's motor, so it is immobilized. 2002: "The Chump". Stripped for parts. All of the veterans thoroughly enjoyed that I'm sure. 2003: The U thing (no name): Base was stripped, we still have the frame. We still have our stacker, which I still think was cool (too heavy though) 2004: The Chump V2. Still together, but the arm is detached. It never really worked well anyways. 2005: The Predator. We're keeping this one for a long time I think. One of our best robots ever. We need to make replacement grippers though, because they snap. |
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I hope we never have to sell our robot. I hope my team will do much better as far as fundraising. I hope that if we have enough money we won't have to strip our bot for parts either.
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its not about money for us. i think its two things. one, we dont like to see parts go to waste. second, its almost a tradition now. :) also when i was talking to santosh we realised a real nice benefit to reusing parts. my team has plenty of resources to experiment with and it makes it easy to train people as each person can have their own system to build and play with if they need one.
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That is why I founded world robotics invitational where I am promoting Transform Your Old FIRST robot contest for a chance to win $2,500.00 for your team. For more detail log on to www.worldroboticsinvitational.org
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It's not like I don't share the opinion, I love our robot too :)
But on the other hand, if we don't need it anymore, I wouldn't mind selling it to someone who actually would have a purpose for it as opposed to having it just sit there for people to look at. So yea selling it is fine, just make sure to take a ton of pictures before you let it go. |
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My first reaction to reading the title of this thread was "HOLY CRAP, you're asking me WHAT?!?!?" Then I thought about it. And thought about it, and thought about it some more, but the answer is still, no, not while they still function. All three ('06, '07 and '08) functional robots are awesome demo bots, and as of now we have all of three members who will be here after 2009, so recruitment is more important than fund raising now. Besides, it's kind of like asking to sell your child. Our team's situation isn't that desperate yet! But you know, the team in two years may think differently.
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would you or your team ever buy our (330) old robots?
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Your team had a great bot that year, & more importantly one which rivaled ours with a similar mechanism for moving across & defending the bar. And... while I did oversleep on that Saturday in Atlanta, :ahh: & completely missed the match where we were on opposing alliances, I heard it was one of the most competitive matches outside of the finals on that field that year. (Archimedes was it? - I forget.) |
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And I certainly hope that 330's 2005 robot is never sold. |
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Is the '07 bot for sale?
It showed simplicity and dominance at its finest. |
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'06 - Frankencat is but a frame and wheels and probably drives 20x better now than it ever did at a competition. We've scrapped many a part from it. It is the single most powerful symbol on display in our classroom -- we won Rookie All-Stars in Atlanta and the bot serves as a constant reminder that this whole program isn't about the bot.
'07 - M-Cat is mostly functional, minus some electronic debug issues. The ramps were signed by 90% of the teams who climbed them. There's too much sentimental value to the team to ever sell this bot, though we may scrap non-ramp components for future bots/projects. '08 - We will probably never scrap anything from PAWS. It was the most technically challenging and overall successful bot we've built to date. In a year or two, we'd probably be willing to "sell" the robot to a sponsor for them to display, as it is definitely an eye-catcher. Now, forget bots that are for sale... What about all of these nifty carts and battery totes I saw in Atlanta? This summer's CAD workshops we will design our own versions, but it'd be awesome to get designs for the things we don't have time to get to. |
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I don't think I'd ever advocate the sale of any of our old robots (besides, who would want them? :) ). The symbolic value of all the time, energy, sweat, emotion, memories, and, indeed, blood poured into each robot would far outweigh any monetary value you could attach to the machines.
48 has kept each of our 11 robots generally together. Most are functional to some degree. It's hard finding places to keep so many, especially so when you're in the process of transitioning from the old high school to the new building that opens up next year. Many that resided at the school have taken up temporary residence elsewhere. Current robot status: 1998 - in two separate pieces but could be restored - no controls. Stored in teacher's garage. 1999 - together, but all surgical tubing from the floppy conveyor rotted away. No controls. Stored in teacher's garage. 2000 - Fully functional. On display at Delphi facility. 2001 - Partially functional. On display at Delphi facility. 2002 - Partially functional. On display at Delphi facility. Extruded frame still out of whack after meeting the center goal at the same time Team 60's bot did in elims at Disney. :) 2003 - Fully functional. Used for obstacle/defensive bot during practice. Stored at 2010's high school. 2004 - Fully functional. Used for obstacle/defensive bot during practice. Stored at 2010's high school. 2005 - Partially functional. Slated for eventual conversion to t-shirt cannon/robotic paintball shooting platform. :cool: Stored at 2010's high school. 2006 - Functional save for ball collector. Used as a popular demo bot. Will either be stored at 379's high school or in my garage. 2007 - Fully functional. Served as pilot's (drivebase) practice bot for the 2008 season. Will either be stored at 379's high school or in my garage. 2008 - Will stay at 379's high school over the summer, where 48 will stage its summer operations while our school is closed. Thanks again to the Robocats! Once we move into the new building, the problem of storing all these bots will still exist. Instead of selling these bots or letting them sit in some mentor's garage, my one thought would be to offer them to local venues such as Youngstown State University and Kent State - Trumbull Campus to be a part of static displays promoting FIRST programs. We already put our robots on static display at the art gallery at the local mall. Get them out where people can see them and ask questions, and who knows what kind of FIRST buzz you can generate locally? |
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Team 108:
1995: Taken apart. 1996: Taken apart. 1997: Don’t have controllers, but it’s somewhat together. It’s sitting at the school. 1998: Taken apart. 1999: Taken apart. 2000: Still together. She is used for demos. 2001: Taken apart. 2002: Chassis exists. Needs some electrical work and it should be functional. 2003: This robot was a beast. The chassis is lying around somewhere in the shop. Many parts (and spare parts) are in the shop as well. 2004: Somewhat together. Needs electrical work done and it will be functional. 2005: This is by far my favorite robot on team 108. She is fully functional. If anyone tries to take it apart, I am going to break their hands. 2006: Chassis is together. The basket is there but not attached to the robot. The shell of the shooter is lying around the shop. We will need 2 days worth of work to get that robot functional. 2007: She is sitting in the shop. She is functional. We just haven’t driven her in a while. 2008: Fully functional and getting ready for off season events. Team 1345: 2004: I took 2004 apart when I joined the team for parts. 2005: Sir-Stax-alot has the same story as 2004. 2006: BoomBox is still together and fully functional. There are lot of memories attached to BoomBox, no one’s taking her apart. 2007: The ramps and the arm of the Condor were taken off, they are sitting at school. Condor’s Chassis is in my garage and fully functional. 2008: She had too many names. She is fully functional. We are modifying some things for off season. Some says, she looks like a vulture. |
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