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karinka13

09-11-2005 19:16

Google Blocked??

That's right, my school has decided to block Google all next week. Why? It has something to do with using databases and "tech awareness week".

Goodness.

Well, I don't know about all of you, but I'm kinda a google addict. Anyone know any loopholes? :D

Tristan Lall

09-11-2005 19:20

Re: Google Blocked??

Try the foreign Google mirror sites here.

Pat McCarthy

09-11-2005 19:43

Re: Google Blocked??

Whenever I can't get to Google, I just go to www.google.ca It's the Canadian version! Yay for english! I just wish that they used 'eh' at the end of a few sentences somewhere.

Billfred

09-11-2005 19:43

Re: Google Blocked??

Quote:

Originally Posted by karinka13

How did that spotlight go?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlavery

Lawyers find loopholes. Engineers find solutions. For which would you rather be known?

Besides, databases aren't that bad...

Tytus Gerrish

09-11-2005 19:46

Re: Google Blocked??

schools block all sorts of important stuff, For three years of high school Chief Delphi was blocked in my school district. I always just tunneled around the firewall through an open port.

artdutra04

09-11-2005 20:07

Re: Google Blocked??

Instead of using www.google.com, use the actual IP address of their website:

http://72.14.207.99/

It works exactly the same as Google does for Internet searches, and most school proxies won't block that. At least the one at my high school doesn't. ~~You cannot do image searches, but that's not the end of the world.~~

EDIT: You can do a Google Image Search. It is possible to do a image search without needing to go to images.google.com/ or images.72.14.207.99/. See this example.

Why a school might block Google is beyond me. I wouldn't suggest trying to force ways around the school proxies though, especially ones that tread on shaky legal ground.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tytus Gerrish

schools block all sorts of important stuff, For three years of high school Chief Delphi was blocked in my school district. I always just tunneled around the firewall through an open port.

Why not ask the school to take ChiefDelphi off of Internet blocking list? CD used to be blocked at out school, but we approached the IT department, explained all about ChiefDelphi and how it was basically educational, and then they took it off the blocking list. It's really that simple. :)

sanddrag

09-11-2005 20:26

Re: Google Blocked??

Why on earth would you block Google search? That's pointless. Now for google images, there is a valid reason to block that.

DuffMan

09-11-2005 20:46

Re: Google Blocked??

Quote:

Originally Posted by artdutra04

ummm.... how did you get their IP address :confused: ?? Or of any other site for that matter??

To stay on topic, my school blocked yahoo games at games.yahoo.com, but play.yahoo.com still works :D .

JoeXIII'007

09-11-2005 21:10

Re: Google Blocked??

Hmmm... if nothing of the above things work, try
elgoog .srdawkcab gnihtyreve lleps ot evah thgim uoY :D

Otherwise, ask.com usually is usually an excellent alternative.

sanddrag

09-11-2005 21:18

Re: Google Blocked??

Quote:

Originally Posted by karinka13

Anyone know any loopholes? :D

I don't recommend violating school computer use policy in any way or trying to find "loopholes" in the system, but a useful tool is http://anonymouse.org that will sometimes let you get to sites you couldn't otherwise get to. :)

Mike	09-11-2005 21:38

Re: Google Blocked??

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuffMan

ummm.... how did you get their IP address :confused: ?? Or of any other site for that matter??

To stay on topic, my school blocked yahoo games at games.yahoo.com, but play.yahoo.com still works :D .

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Usage: ping [-t] [-a] [-n count] [-l size] [-f] [-i TTL] [-v TOS]

                        [-r count] [-s count] [[-j host-list] | [-k host-list]]

                        [-w timeout] target_name



Options:

    -t                         Ping the specified host until stopped.

                                   To see statistics and continue - type Control-Break;

                                   To stop - type Control-C.

        -a                         Resolve addresses to hostnames.

        -n count           Number of echo requests to send.

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Pinging google.com [64.233.187.99] with 32 bytes of data:



Reply from 64.233.187.99: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=241

Reply from 64.233.187.99: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=241

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Reply from 64.233.187.99: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=241



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JulieB

09-11-2005 21:54

Re: Google Blocked??

That CRAZY to block Google my teachers could not get through the day without GOOGLE. DUDE that messed up.

Ryan M.

10-11-2005 06:53

Re: Google Blocked??

Um... it's only a week. Deal with it. Databases can be nice once you use them some.

But failing that: (This technique is not supported by rule followers anywhere, so if you get in trouble...)

Download a VNC server to your home computer. I suggest http://ultravnc.sourceforge.net
Install. Make sure you set a password. (Right click on the icon in the system tray.)
Get a screen shot from a school computer's desktop and take it home.
Put that as your background. If you have icons on your desktop, turn off auto arrange and move them to line up with the screen shot's icons.
Put the vnc viewer (in the dir where you installed the server) onto a thumb drive or floppy.
Use it to login to your computer (look up your ip/get a domain from dyndns.org before you leave) from school.
Surf as normal.

If it's in full screen mode, no one will ever know... :)

Conor Ryan

10-11-2005 09:52

Re: Google Blocked??

I do believe that using the mirrors should count as tech awarness, your not using the easiest way of doing things so it should be a loophole.

Forget the databases, use Wikipedia I've used both and wiki's got better answers.

MikeDubreuil

10-11-2005 09:59

Re: Google Blocked??

Schools spend a lot of money buying access to these on line databases. It's no surprise that they want you to use them. At first I thought databases were lame too. Then I tried Lexis Nexis, with that database you can look up an article in almost any newspaper in the country. Most newspaper websites will charge you money to read old issues.

Basically your school wants you to see the benefit of databases and they're blocking Google for a week to force you to realize how beneficial databases can be.

dlavery

10-11-2005 11:06

Re: Google Blocked??

For the first four+ decades of my life, Google didn't even exist. Using it wasn't even an option. Somehow, we survived.*

This is an excellent opportunity to explore other ways to research information, find new resources, and investigate alternative media. Use the opportunity to understand the "pre-Google seach mechanisms," (check out the library - it is full of these strange things called "books"! :) ) which will make you all the more appreciative of what a wonderful application Google really has become.

Then when you are done, we can talk to you why you should learn to use an abacus, a quill pen, and a sliderule... :rolleyes:

-dave

*and I managed to get through this whole thing without saying that we used to walk barefoot through five feet of snow to get to school, uphill both ways, with just barbed wire for mittens, and we liked it!

lukevanoort

10-11-2005 22:25

Re: Google Blocked??

A lot of combination websites use google as a part of their search mechanism. Try dogpile or metacrawler. But what works and doesn't all depends on how their blocking software is configured/coded. The .ca is probably the best method. Back when i used yahoo mail before I upgraded to gmail I used the UK yahoo to check. Its all bout toeing the line between breaking the policy and bending it. Using a proxy clearly breaks it (i assume yours is similar to ours), and so due a number of things. A .ca or uk or IP tends not to. You could just say that you are of a "international mindset" or want to get "a feel for the REAL internet." Dave has a point, the library is a excellent source. Then again, considering the state of school libraries today maybe not. I ran into this problem at the public library here in Durham, there are very few good engineering texts there. Except for one book on industrial pneumatics which was the wrong scale for robotics there were next to none.

mathking

13-11-2005 08:06

Re: Google Blocked??

As a HS computer science teacher, I think blocking google for a little while is an excellent educational tactic. Too many students, no too many people, today are very good at finding information but not nearly so good at evaluating that information. Learning how to use databases is an important skill. Google is a fantastic starting point for finding information. As is wikipedia. For simple stuff one of those two is pretty much always how I start.

But when you are looking for information with any level of sophistication and/or subjectivity, you really need to learn to use databases so you can find information with more reliability. I use wikipedia all the time. Its power derives from its open nature, but that nature means that for a lot of information, you need to dig a little deeper. WAY too many people of all ages just accept what they read and hear as the truth. When they first learn about a controversial subject, they tend to settle on the first information they find as correct. If you want an example, try using just google and wikipedia and tell me what caused the civil war.

Furthermore, good databases allow you to use really powerful techniques to find exactly the right information. Everyone who uses computers should know how to use them.

mechanicalbrain

13-11-2005 13:36

Re: Google Blocked??

OK their is tons of great suggestions here but another, that's slightly against the rules but definitely going to make them more aware (so try the others first and I don't actually recommend this. Its theoretical), is to change the IP address of the computer. I have the exact same problem with my school blocking gmail. I would like to know though what blocking Google accomplishes. Since Ive started working toward my CCNA Ive truly come to appreciate how amazingly usefully Google is when it comes to diagnosing problems.

karinka13

13-11-2005 22:20

Re: Google Blocked??

thanks everyone.

see...our school has all these databases and stuff, and trust me, i KNOW theyre expensive. why? because we pay for them, even though we dont have a say in it and our parents arent exactly informed. i just think its a little bit messed up.

sanddrag

13-11-2005 22:39

Re: Google Blocked??

Institutions quite often spend money in the most confusing (and not the smartest) ways. It's a fact of life.

Cuog	14-11-2005 14:15

Re: Google Blocked??

https:gmail.google.com

use that with a gmail account so u can check ur email on a blocking comp also gmail allows u to do a google search right from there, so get ur buddy to send u an invite

Madison

14-11-2005 14:26

Re: Google Blocked??

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanddrag

Institutions quite often spend money in the most confusing (and not the smartest) ways. It's a fact of life.

As someone who lived in a library's 'technology center' for two years or so, I can attest to the usefullness of many of the databases that are available. Simply put, Google often cannot give you access to the large volume of traditionally published works that touch on every subject imaginable. Google is great for common knowledge, but when you get into the nitty gritty of true research, the databases are unmatched in their quality.

looneylin

14-11-2005 14:44

Re: Google Blocked??

pshh. just use an anonymous server. it's easy :D

Cuog	14-11-2005 14:49

Re: Google Blocked??

u mean an annonymous proxy? that involves a bunch more( like 3 web pages i beleive) i just dont have time for that on a school computer besides my school has already figured out how to block some of them

ChrisH

15-11-2005 01:17

Re: Google Blocked??

Quote:

Originally Posted by karinka13

Since the blockage is for a limited time, they are obviously trying to make an educational point. Just like the Information and Computer Science dept at my college did when they made everybody write at least one major program on punch cards. At least they did until the readers wore out and they couldn't get parts anymore. I got lots of tips from my dad on how to handle punchcards. He started programming in the early 60's, boy could he stack a deck!

So go out and learn something new, even if it is old. Co-operate in this and you'll get much more out of it. Cheat and you are only cheating yourself.

Josh363663

18-01-2008 15:21

Re: Google Blocked??

Ask.com is blocked because of the binocular function googlr.com is google england so usually yuo can use that for images

Pavan Dave

18-01-2008 15:36

Re: Google Blocked??

I believe CD's ToS was modded to where you can not post loopholes to get past school filters and things along those lines (Reference Scroll down to Brandon's comment) and if you didn't notice, this thread is from 2005...

That said a Slashdot article [today] talks about the "Google Generation" and how it has changed the way we search. Link to /. article.

Enjoy!

lukevanoort

18-01-2008 15:51

Re: Google Blocked??

Hmm, this thread is over three years old.... wow my grammar and spelling sucked back then. I imagine nowadays schools have probably realized the value of Google, and have started coming up with inane reasons for blocking Wikipedia instead.

Pavan Dave

18-01-2008 15:59

Re: Google Blocked??

Quote:

Originally Posted by lukevanoort (Post 680937)

There is a very valid reason. There are inappropriate pictures on some of the pages and anyone can put anything on any page (almost) whether it be pictures or comments. That is why my district has blocked Wikipedia.

I may not agree with it, but I understand why. Liability is a big deal in America especially NOW. ...

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