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Billfred 18-05-2006 13:52

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 
WE HAVE A SCORE!

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Name.......        Team 1        Score        Team 2        Score        Team 3        Score        Team 4        Score        Total:
Corey Balint        25        74.67        358        38        231        30        384        45.25        187.92
Greg Needel        233        62.33        395        60.67        1305        31        1492        2        156
Cory.......        330        30.33        33        23.75        68        24.67        968        58        136.75
Dan Swando        217        56        229        37        188        26.33        639        4        123.33
Steve Howland        111        91.67        47        6        571        11        179        14        122.67
Billfred        71        63.67        180        30        342        6        1398        22        121.67
Vince Lau        503        45.67        48        24.38        1241        32.67        1006        18        120.71
Koko Ed...        1511        22        79        50        1507        -10        1126        57.5        119.5
Jay Trzaskos        65        9        121        46.5        66        39        1279        17        111.5
Alex Cormier        118        21.25        469        53.67        22        -4        195        40.25        111.17
Conor Ryan        254        47.67        16        20.67        103        27.75        4        14.67        110.75
Dez.......        1114        64.25        191        25        222        6.5        61        9        104.75
Elgin Clock        175        18.83        69        21.25        148        18.75        192        40        98.83
Tim Delles        173        9        177        50.67        234        15        135        18.67        93.33
Jeff Rodriguez        157        19.33        716        27        383        20        93        23        89.33
Icurtis....        341        35        108        6.67        1251        9.33        1519        29        80
Ted Boucher        126        29.67        56        16        88        9.33        116        18        73
1derboy....        245        16.67        70        38.25        910        8.5        279        5.25        68.67
Steve Horn        176        31        236        27        839        -11        230        21        68
coastertux        365        59.67        1676        9.5        484        8.5        1640        -10        67.67
Holtzman        980        2        1503        40.75        302        2.25        1002        20.33        65.33
Lisa Perez        67        12.33        27        26.67        1213        24.5        830        -1.67        61.83
Big Mike        1923        0        75        28        303        8        343        25.33        61.33
Marc P....        494        25.5        237        19.67        38        10        555        -2.33        52.83
Adam Richards        190        23.67        20        31        312        -4        845        0        50.67
Matt Kaplan        45        14.67        60        14        269        8.67        107        -5.5        31.83

Congratulations to the 2006 Preseason FF winner, Corey Balint! The spreadsheet I used to calculate the results can be found here.

Just a few statistics to make life fun:

Best first round pick: 111 (Steve Howland, 91.67 points)
Worst first round pick: 1923 (Big Mike, 0 points)

Best second round pick: 395 (Greg Needel, 60.67 points)
Worst second round pick: 47 (Steve Howland, 6 points)

Best third round pick: 66 (Jay Trzaskos, 39 points)
Worst third round pick: 839 (Steve Horn, -11 points)

Best fourth round pick: 968 (Cory, 58 points)
Worst fourth round pick: 1640 (coastertux, -10 points)

Don Wright 18-05-2006 16:26

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 
I'm not a FF guy, so I might be way off base, but it looks like the stats for 469 are way off...

If I'm reading it right, we were picked in the second round by Alex, but on his sheet it shows up as team 33 with our stats under them... And those are the teams picked by Corey...

Maybe I don't know how it's done... sorry...

Lil' Lavery 18-05-2006 16:42

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 
Yeah, there's something funky going on with that spreadsheet. For instance, the names on the bottom tabs and on the top of the spreadsheets don't match. ALL of the teams under the spreadsheets seem to have incorrect data. :confused:

JackN 18-05-2006 18:11

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 
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Name.......       
Corey Balint        488.5
Greg Needel        466
Vince Lau 386.5
Cory 376
Dan Swando 362
Conor Ryan 360
Steve Howland 349
Billfred 337
Dez 329
Koko Ed 311
Tim Delles 280
Jay Trzaskos 271
Alex Cormier 276
Jeff Rodriguez 248
Holtzman 239
1derboy 230.5
Elgin Clock 216.5
Icurtis 211
coastertux 205
Ted Boucher 201
Big Mike 176
Marc P 174
Steve Horn 167
Lisa Perez 161
Adam Richards 125
Matt Kaplan 101

ok I got the overall scores for everyone. It seemed interesting to me to find out what every one scored. Conor Ryan and Vince Lau moved up big time if it were scored this way

Billfred 18-05-2006 19:43

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 
Alright, after a little investigation I've found that the team numbers get out of whack on the individual player sheets when the main sheet is sorted. It can be fixed by sorting the main sheet by player name. The problem was a design error on my part when I created the file, but the numbers work whichever way you sort the form.

Cory 18-05-2006 21:28

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
Therefor, it is the HARDEST award to win, and should be worth the most.

Or it should be worth zero, because you don't get points in fantasy football for having the comeback player of the year, rookie of the year, or MVP.

While these awards may be slightly different, the point remains. Fantasy FIRST is about the competition, and CA is an award that is entirely removed from the competition itself.

I find it incredibly dumb that someone who picks a bunch of horrible teams, but manages to pick one team that has a chance at Chairmans, or honorable mention can swing the balance of an entire league, while someone who actually spends the time picking good teams throughout loses, because it's hard as heck to top someone who got a free 85 points or whatever.

Billfred 18-05-2006 21:45

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory
Or it should be worth zero, because you don't get points in fantasy football for having the comeback player of the year, rookie of the year, or MVP.

While these awards may be slightly different, the point remains. Fantasy FIRST is about the competition, and CA is an award that is entirely removed from the competition itself.

I find it incredibly dumb that someone who picks a bunch of horrible teams, but manages to pick one team that has a chance at Chairmans, or honorable mention can swing the balance of an entire league, while someone who actually spends the time picking good teams throughout loses, because it's hard as heck to top someone who got a free 85 points or whatever.

I still think the high reward for Chairman's is important--the robots are just a vehicle, right?

And even when you factor in the "free" 80 points that 111 scored for winning Chairman's this year, also note that four players were able to place higher. One team can not single-handedly win this sort of league--every single player in the top ten had two or more teams earning 30 points. It takes a strong combination to win.

Mike Schroeder 18-05-2006 22:35

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 
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Originally Posted by billfred
Worst first round pick: 1923 (Big Mike, 0 points)


i won't Lie, that hurt a bit

Cory 19-05-2006 00:06

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billfred
the robots are just a vehicle, right?

Not in Fantasy FIRST, they're not.

Billfred 19-05-2006 18:57

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory
Not in Fantasy FIRST, they're not.

Alright, I just got curious--what if the champion of this league was settled exclusively on the field?

So I went back to the spreadsheet and zeroed out all of the judged awards, leaving just seeding, wins, losses, drafting (for the Championship), and eliminations. Here's what would've been:

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Name.....        Team 1        Avg.        Team 2        Avg.        Team 3        Avg.        Team 4        Avg.        Total:
Corey Balint        25        54        358        37.33        231        29        384        23.25        143.58
Cory........        330        29        33        22.25        68        23.33        968        57        131.58
Greg Needel        233        44.33        395        47        1305        17.67        1492        2        111
Conor Ryan        254        47        16        20        103        23.25        4        13        103.25
Dan Swando        217        38        229        37        188        22.67        639        4        101.67
Alex Cormier        118        20.25        469        51        22        -4        195        34.25        101.5
Dez........        1114        63.75        191        23        222        6.5        61        4        97.25
Jay Trzaskos        65        9        121        45.5        66        24.33        1279        17        95.83
Koko Ed..        1511        9.33        79        36        1507        -10        1126        56.5        91.83
Tim Delles        173        9        177        50.67        234        9        135        18.67        87.33
Vince Lau        503        27.67        48        12.38        1241        20        1006        17.33        77.38
Steve Howland        111        47        47        6        571        8        179        14        75
Elgin Clock        175        18.83        69        21.25        148        16.75        192        9        65.83
Jeff Rodriguez        157        18        716        25.33        383        -1        93        22.33        64.67
Icurtis....        341        19        108        6        1251        8.67        1519        29        62.67
Billfred....        71        37.67        180        28.67        342        -2        1398        -4        60.33
Lisa Perez        67        12.33        27        26        1213        23.5        830        -2.33        59.5
Ted Boucher        126        25        56        13.67        88        8.67        116        12        59.33
1derboy...        245        0        70        37.25        910        8.5        279        4.25        50
Holtzman        980        2        1503        40.75        302        1.25        1002        4.33        48.33
Marc P....        494        21        237        18.33        38        10        555        -2.33        47
Steve Horn        176        31        236        6        839        -12        230        20        45
Big Mike        1923        0        75        3.33        303        7        343        24        34.33
Adam Richards        190        9        20        26        312        -4        845        0        31
coastertux        365        23.33        1676        7        484        7.5        1640        -10        27.83
Matt Kaplan        45        -2        60        14        269        6        107        -5.5        12.5

So I suppose that makes Corey the undisputed champion.

Cory 19-05-2006 23:02

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billfred
Alright, I just got curious--what if the champion of this league was settled exclusively on the field?

So I went back to the spreadsheet and zeroed out all of the judged awards, leaving just seeding, wins, losses, drafting (for the Championship), and eliminations. Here's what would've been:


So I suppose that makes Corey the undisputed champion.

It didn't make a difference in this league, but you can see that the people who had chairman's teams definitely took noticable drops in the rankings.

Lil' Lavery 20-05-2006 00:01

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory
Or it should be worth zero, because you don't get points in fantasy football for having the comeback player of the year, rookie of the year, or MVP.

While these awards may be slightly different, the point remains. Fantasy FIRST is about the competition, and CA is an award that is entirely removed from the competition itself.

I find it incredibly dumb that someone who picks a bunch of horrible teams, but manages to pick one team that has a chance at Chairmans, or honorable mention can swing the balance of an entire league, while someone who actually spends the time picking good teams throughout loses, because it's hard as heck to top someone who got a free 85 points or whatever.

You don't get points for the team winning or losing in Fantasy Football either, you get points for what the individual does, so does that mean we should remove champion and finalist as well?
In most fantasy sports, leagues are scored on around 10 statistics (that's the yahoo default for instance). IF you removed judge's awards from FF, that leaves you with 6 (W, L, T, Draft, seeding, and result). The awards serve to fill out the rest of the statistics.
Secondly, just because a robot does poorly, I wouldn't call them a horrible team, or even a horrible pick if they win Chairman's. Just because another league member spent time determining which bots would fair the best on the field, doesn't mean the other member didn't spend time on determining which teams have a better shot at judges awards. It's like picking a big yardage QB or a TD QB in a Fantasy football league (or batting avg. vs. HR's in baseball, etc.). Sometime's it is dumb luck, but that's true for any fantasy sport. Like when you draft a back-up running back in the last round and the starter gets hurt and your back-up goes on to a pro-bowl season.

Corey Balint 29-05-2006 16:55

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billfred
So I suppose that makes Corey the undisputed champion.

Heh. :cool:


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