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MAN! *thinks to self* There are some great teams left...like 447, 1501, 461 and 1547...*/thinks to self*

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I made Steve's switch for 571, and chucking out the notion of bumping down the Chairman's points.

Tonight's schedule:

8:10: coastertux<br>
8:20: Dan Swando<br>
8:30: Marc P.<br>
8:40: Billfred<br>
8:50: 1derboy<br>
9:00: Conor Ryan<br>
9:10: Vince Lau<br>
9:20: Adam Richards<br>
9:30: Lisa Perez<br>
9:40: Elgin Clock<br>
9:50: Steve Horn<br>
10:00: Cory<br>
10:10: Matt Kaplan<br>
10:20: Alex Cormier<br>
10:30: Tim Delles<br>
10:40: Jay Trzaskos<br>
10:50: Greg Needel<br>
11:00: Holtzman<br>
11:10: Corey Balint

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Coastertux listifies 99 1640 (as 99 has apparently disbanded), and Dan has sent me 639.

Marc is up, followed by me.

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I'll round out my picks with a team about as local as I can get: 1398 (Keenan HS Robo-Raiders).

1derboy is next.

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Alright on time and ready i am taking team 279 to round out my aliance.

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And Conor Ryan listifies team 4.

Vince is next.

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for my 4th pick i would like team 1006

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Adam is next.

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Since my original 4th round pick was taken by someone, and so was my backup, I guess I'll have to go for Team 0845 Cutting Edge.

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And with that, Lisa is up.

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830 for me

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Arghhh.. This is the most difficult decision I have had to make in this league so far.
(I wish I had 4 more picks left!! :ahh: )

That said, while I found a few new teams I am going to be keeping my eye on the whole season for various reasons, I will choose for my 4th pick, one of my favorite teams in FIRST since my rookie year in 2001.

Good luck in 2005 and beyond, my 4th and final pick for preseason FF;

Team 192 GUNN Robotics.

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Steve listifies 230. Cory is up next.

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Cory listifies 968. Matt Kaplan is next.

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I'll take 107

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Now it's Alex's turn.

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Alex picks 1559. Tim Delles is next.

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So i must say this was the hardest decision i had to go with. I had it down to 3 teams, and i guess i will have to go with the random pick.

To round out my alliance i would like team 340.... GRR

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Hmm...folks have drafted 340, 341, and 342. Anyone want to get 343 to complete the set? ;)

Jay is next.

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Jay listifies 1279.

Greg is up.

edit: Alex trades 1559 for 195.

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Greg passes, and will pick later.

Holtzman is up, then Corey will finish it out.

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Corey is up. (Greg, Holtzman, and Marc can all draft when they're ready.)

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Well, this would be Mr. Irrelevant...but some people didnt draft yet.

Anyhoo, looks like i shall round out my alliance with a Virginian team, 384.

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BTW, Big Mike took 343.

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Wow, I missed that.

That finishes up most of the drafting. Marc, Holtzman, and Greg can draft when they want. Trading is open until the night before Kickoff at 11:59 PM.

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Holtzman texted me, he wants 1002.

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I'll take our partners from NYC last year, 555.

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To finish out the league i ask you when did Christopher Columbus sail the ocean blue?.....that would be 1492

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I'm going to change my last pick from team 340 to team 135

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I have a trade request from Alex Cromier.
He wants 1126 from me and I get 469.
Any problems?

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Well, the intent was to finish all trading/drafting/plotting/scheming/etc. before Kickoff, then let the chips fall where they may. Now that people have been capable of seeing the robots (especially at this phase of the season), I'm not too keen on it.

Anyone else want to provide some input?

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:p

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At first I didn't have a problem with it, but you have a great point.
Now, I agree with Billfred.
It just doesn't sit right.

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I have to agree with you Billfred. It did state in the rules all trading was to go on before Kickoff. Because the point of the pre-season FF is to go with teams you think will build a good robot, not teams you have seen that have good robots now.

And Alex only wants 1126 cause he thinks us and them are going to win FLR. Alex stop counting your chickens before they hatch, you never know who is going to win.

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All the more reason to let him have them. :p

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SO IT'S ON SOON!!! Let's see who wil win. Who ya htink has the best Chance!!?

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Good question.

Cory seems to have a pretty balanced setup with his picks (look here for a memory-jogger), but Dez seems to have the two most-talked-about teams on ChiefDelphi between 1114 and 61. (We won't go into why, but needless to say a lot of eyes will be upon them.) I have to say, though--if Beatty's had time enough to make all those videos, then I'm gonna be collecting a heck of a lot of points by the end of this shin-dig.

That said, right now I wouldn't count anyone out. We've got five weeks of regionals plus a Championship to get through. I'll do my best to post updates after each week of competition, but just remember it's 96 teams I have to keep track of. :)

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i know i got 3 out of my 4 bots already posted on cd and making a lot of people worry too.

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I'm feeling pretty good about my lineup. ;)

But with all the tough competition I'm sure someone will give me a run for my money.

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Only one of my team's robots has been released, but I've seen one other. I'm also very confident in my other two teams.
This is going to be a very close competition.

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Well im pretty confident in my picks so far. I have only seen the design from 2 of the 4 teams but I still have faith.

RAGE

CyberBlue

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175 Image: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/pi...le&picid=13210

69 Movie: http://www.hyper-robotics.org/videos/robot6.wmv

148 Movie: http://www.robowranglers.com/multime...ar06alarge.wmv

192 is the only one of my 4 teams without a pic or vid released yet, but this gives me great hope for my FF team, and Team 192 as well.

I can hardly wait.

:)

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I just realized something from an earlier post about the scoring...this year instead it should look like this for selection of bots point values.
picked by first round...points 2nd round
1st...8.....(,5)
2nd..7.5.....1
3rd...7.....1.5
4th...6.5.....2
5th...6.....2.5
6th...5.5.....3
7th...5......3.5
8th...4.5.....4

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Fair enough.

Does anyone have a good source of match data for the past two weeks? I can't get data for week one from FIRST (they took it offline), and the stuff I'm hearing about GLR is not making me want to particularly trust it, either. If not, can anyone suggest a fair and equitable revision to scoring that can be implemented with what we do know for sure?

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Looks like FLR is correct. i will take one last quick look.

/edit it's all correct but 340 had the WFA and Chairmans. also no Matches posted other then the elims. and yes that second finals match is correct it was an all out DefenSe match.

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FIRST is up to it's usual bad stat keeping habits this year.
THey're gonna kill Fantasy FIRST!

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The worst change ever. considering 340 were in the elims, WFA winner Jason Rees, and Chairmans winner. $@#$@#$@#$@# i'm kicking myself now. :(

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Your faith in 192 paid off handsomely.

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Worked for me! :D

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Ah, such are the breaks of this sort of challenge.

Just for the record, I haven't forgotten about this league. Final scores will come after Atlanta, when I can breathe.

Problem is, we still have that issue of FIRST not giving data on Week 1 regionals (mainly because the data they do have is, for most intents and purposes, erroneous). It seems like the best way to go about it would be to dump scoring for W/L/T, seeding, and Highest Match Score, which leaves drafting performance, eliminations performance (both of which we can cobble together from Delphi), and awards. It's lame, but I can't think of a way to even it out when some folks had more week 1 teams than others.

If anyone else can think of a better system, I'm all ears.

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I think I am doing pretty well so far...
358-Regional Finalist--UTC, Regional Champ--LI
384-Regional Chairmans, Regional Finalist--VCU
25-Regional Champs, Regional Chairmans, WFFA--NJ
231--Yet To Play.

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121 has a Regional win under their belt along with the General Motors Industrial Design Award at Boston.
66 won Chairmans at GLR.
1279 is also a Regional winner at NJ
66 is competing again at the West Michigan Regional and 65 is Competing at the Greater Toronot Regional.

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I'm doing pretty good I think

• 254
  • 1st at PNW
  • 1st at Silicon Valley
• 16
  
  • Runners Up at St. Louis
  • Still to play at Palmetto
• 103
  
  • 1st at NJ
  • Unlucky at Chespeake
  • Still got Philly to play
• 4
  
  • 1st at Southern Cal
  • Still got GTR

4 Regional wins, not too shabby, 3 more chances to go!

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Lessee...

71: EI, Finalist, Chairman's, and Champion in two regionals.
180: Champion at Florida, plus a couple of other handy awards. They've historically done pretty well at Palmetto as well.
342: Alright, so UCF was a little rough for them. They made semis at Palmetto last year, not to mention claiming every single Chairman's Award the regional has ever awarded. I have high hopes.
1398: The Robo-Raiders might not be the most successful robot on the field, but they have a solid track record at Palmetto when it comes to their work in the community, which has led to some pretty big awards in their past (Rookie All-Star in 2004, EI in 2005). I have equally high hopes.

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OH YEAH!

180: Alliance Captain, made the semis
342: Made the dance, got a couple of awards
1398: 3-6 on the field, but who can top Chairman's? (And Keenan is only going to Palmetto and the Championship, which means there are fewer events to affect their average score.)

So that's what, two championships (71, 180), two Chairman's (71, 1398), an EI (71), a bunch of smaller awards, and three of my four made the dance thus far this season? I like those odds! ;)

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My aliance did OK.
1 Regional win (70)
2 Regional Finalists (70 and 910)
3 Quarter Finals (245, 70 and 279)
1 Regional Chairmans (245)
1 WFA (245)
2 Safety Awards (279, 70)
1 Xerox Creativity award (70)

How do you plan to score the league?

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I'm planning on scoring it after the mayhem of next week. That also happily coincides with the end of the spring semester at USC, so I'll have time to score it.

All of the original categories will be scored, provided I can get data on all the teams.

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Looks like everyone did well, it's gonna be close

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Indeed, as I'm scoring them right now, it's looking really competitive.

I've gotten through 1derboy, Adam, Alex, Big Mike, and myself. The highest team score thus far is 71 (my first pick, 63.67 points), with the lowest score a tie between 312 (Adam's third, -4), and 22 (Alex's third, -4).

Unfortunately for MOE (and coastertux, who picked them), it seems that CA Honorable Mention wasn't one of the big awards when the scores were set way back at the start of the league. On the other hand, 10 points on top of the 45 for EI is still nothing to sneeze at.

One issue came up while I was scoring wins and losses--what should be done when a team plays a placebo match? I'm looking in particular at 484 at Chesapeake, where they had an additional match. Their record is 7-2, but the Hatch software ranked them like they were 6-2. Do they get the additional two points for the placebo win or not?

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Go with the information on the FIRST site.

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Cory and Jay look like the two best right now, with Cory having 968, 33 and 68
while Jay had 65, 121, and 66.

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I would go with the final ranking results, the way Hatch ranked them.

Did other teams have 9 matches or did 484 have a re-macth somewhere in there?

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I'll just throw a statistic out there to stew on.

Over the three events they competed in, 25 alone averaged a score of 74.67 points. 25 alone outscored the combined score of four of the nine players I've scored thus far. There looks to be a few more contenders out there, but Corey Balint has a heck of a score to beat.

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Heh. :cool:

Yeah, when I joined this league, I expected nothing but complete domination.

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Even though I'm not competiting, I'd count the win as 2 points. They did end up going 7-2, not 6-2, and the ranking software has them listed as 7-2 (but with 12 RP).

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Well, you might want to hold off on popping the bottles of sparkling cider.

Since the curiosity was killing me, I broke the pattern I was using and went ahead and scored 111 (Steve Howland's first pick). Here's their sheet:

The raw score is 275, which divided across three events is a godlike 91.67 points. Unless his other three picks (47, 571, 179) that I haven't scored really flopped hardcore or someone had a killer stealth combo, I think we might've found a winner.

11 more players to go.

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Again, why Chairman's shouldn't count so much.

If you take out the Chairmans Awards, it comes down to an average of 51 points, which still is a very high score, but a 40 point swing in a league based off averages...

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The pros and cons of Chairman's have been argued to death elsewhere. On the regional level, I think the numbers are about right. (They also work on a philosophical level, too--if the Chairman's teams are best exemplifying FIRST's mission of changing the culture, then they are The Answer. That came up late last night--if it's not humorous to anyone else, I apologize.) One could argue that the Championship Chairman's Award is a little broken with its 35-point gap over EI, especially since most teams that bring home the clock are also pretty successful on the field as well, such as 111 (2006, Newton finalist), 67 (2005, World Champs), and 254 (2004, Newton Quarterfinalist).

I'm not going to change it for this year, but next year's league will have some tweaks to the system.

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Chairman's should stay the biggest award. If you just look at it from a numerical standpoint it makes sense why it's worth so much. It has the lowest probability of being won at the Championship level, because it RECQUIRES you to have won the award at the regional level, and only 1 team per event wins it, plus you may win it only once per year(with the exception of the single team that wins twice per year). Therefor, it is the HARDEST award to win, and should be worth the most.

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WE HAVE A SCORE!

Congratulations to the 2006 Preseason FF winner, Corey Balint! The spreadsheet I used to calculate the results can be found here.

Just a few statistics to make life fun:

Best first round pick: 111 (Steve Howland, 91.67 points)
Worst first round pick: 1923 (Big Mike, 0 points)

Best second round pick: 395 (Greg Needel, 60.67 points)
Worst second round pick: 47 (Steve Howland, 6 points)

Best third round pick: 66 (Jay Trzaskos, 39 points)
Worst third round pick: 839 (Steve Horn, -11 points)

Best fourth round pick: 968 (Cory, 58 points)
Worst fourth round pick: 1640 (coastertux, -10 points)

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 

I'm not a FF guy, so I might be way off base, but it looks like the stats for 469 are way off...

If I'm reading it right, we were picked in the second round by Alex, but on his sheet it shows up as team 33 with our stats under them... And those are the teams picked by Corey...

Maybe I don't know how it's done... sorry...

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Yeah, there's something funky going on with that spreadsheet. For instance, the names on the bottom tabs and on the top of the spreadsheets don't match. ALL of the teams under the spreadsheets seem to have incorrect data. :confused:

Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!
 

ok I got the overall scores for everyone. It seemed interesting to me to find out what every one scored. Conor Ryan and Vince Lau moved up big time if it were scored this way

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Alright, after a little investigation I've found that the team numbers get out of whack on the individual player sheets when the main sheet is sorted. It can be fixed by sorting the main sheet by player name. The problem was a design error on my part when I created the file, but the numbers work whichever way you sort the form.

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Or it should be worth zero, because you don't get points in fantasy football for having the comeback player of the year, rookie of the year, or MVP.

While these awards may be slightly different, the point remains. Fantasy FIRST is about the competition, and CA is an award that is entirely removed from the competition itself.

I find it incredibly dumb that someone who picks a bunch of horrible teams, but manages to pick one team that has a chance at Chairmans, or honorable mention can swing the balance of an entire league, while someone who actually spends the time picking good teams throughout loses, because it's hard as heck to top someone who got a free 85 points or whatever.

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I still think the high reward for Chairman's is important--the robots are just a vehicle, right?

And even when you factor in the "free" 80 points that 111 scored for winning Chairman's this year, also note that four players were able to place higher. One team can not single-handedly win this sort of league--every single player in the top ten had two or more teams earning 30 points. It takes a strong combination to win.

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i won't Lie, that hurt a bit

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Not in Fantasy FIRST, they're not.

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Alright, I just got curious--what if the champion of this league was settled exclusively on the field?

So I went back to the spreadsheet and zeroed out all of the judged awards, leaving just seeding, wins, losses, drafting (for the Championship), and eliminations. Here's what would've been:

So I suppose that makes Corey the undisputed champion.

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It didn't make a difference in this league, but you can see that the people who had chairman's teams definitely took noticable drops in the rankings.

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You don't get points for the team winning or losing in Fantasy Football either, you get points for what the individual does, so does that mean we should remove champion and finalist as well?
In most fantasy sports, leagues are scored on around 10 statistics (that's the yahoo default for instance). IF you removed judge's awards from FF, that leaves you with 6 (W, L, T, Draft, seeding, and result). The awards serve to fill out the rest of the statistics.
Secondly, just because a robot does poorly, I wouldn't call them a horrible team, or even a horrible pick if they win Chairman's. Just because another league member spent time determining which bots would fair the best on the field, doesn't mean the other member didn't spend time on determining which teams have a better shot at judges awards. It's like picking a big yardage QB or a TD QB in a Fantasy football league (or batting avg. vs. HR's in baseball, etc.). Sometime's it is dumb luck, but that's true for any fantasy sport. Like when you draft a back-up running back in the last round and the starter gets hurt and your back-up goes on to a pro-bowl season.

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Heh. :cool: