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Re: 2006 Official Game Hint Discussion

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Originally Posted by Elgin Clock

Oh.. it'll be a doozy..

I can't wait... After reading that thread for the past way-too-many hours, without catching up AT ALL until the past hour. Everyone was posting so fast, I was always five pages behind... :ahh: But here I am finally. Yay.

So my ideas...

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Originally Posted by Official Game Hint

five 'bots

The first thing I thought was, "Well we know we WON'T have five robots on the field because that would be obvious."
But here is another idea, an interesting version of 2v2v1 (Credit to my dad):
There are two alliances of two robots/teams on the field, competing against each other. There is also one neutral robot. The neutral robot can decide to either help one of the two other alliances or do some neutral-robot-only task. (Strategy would be important to decide this.) This robot can't win or lose, just help out.
^ I liked the idea until I realized this would be hard to do during final rounds.

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Originally Posted by Cyberguy34000

Accoding to the first entry in this thesarus, obsessed is a synonym for controlled. So a game piece controlled by a shovel's show? Perhaps the shovel part alludes to how the game piece might be manipulated, and therafore what shape it might be.

So... depending on how well you are shovelling (your show) the game piece will be easier to get later, (after you're done shovelling?). Hmmm, I don't know what you're shovelling though.

Re: 2006 Official Game Hint Discussion

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Originally Posted by Mme.Miscellania

It's interesting that the clue is in the form of an extended haiku (8-10-8).
Now, haiku are normally 5-7-5 patterns, so maybe this year's competition has an alternating number of robots on the field - maybe one robot out of six is chosen to sit out a round, and get put in the next round.

Maybe it's my southern dialect, but I only count 7 syllables in the first line.
five 'bots tangling with pasta
1 1 2 1 2
Can someone help me out here?

So if we assume that adding "Ro" to the "'bots" in first line would make the haiku correct, and the shovel actually points to "RO" and not "ORO", the we have a game piece obsessed with completing the haiku! Er... what's that mean?

Re: 2006 Official Game Hint Discussion

Okay, this is somewhat off the topic of the official hint, but remember the baton hint Dave gave us a few months ago? Well, Tammy Trimble was included in the hint, but I don't remember anyone figuring out who she was. Now, heres a post by Dave in the summer of 2004, referencing Tammy Trimble, but still no real explanation as to who she is. Any ideas?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...69&postcount=5

Re: 2006 Official Game Hint Discussion

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Originally Posted by Andrew Blair

Tammy works for FIRST.

Re: 2006 Official Game Hint Discussion

[quote=Zach Purser]Maybe it's my southern dialect, but I only count 7 syllables in the first line.
five 'bots tangling with pasta
1 1 2 1 2
Can someone help me out here?
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I think the question is on tangling.

Tang - Ling => 2
Tan - gle - ing => 3
I don't know which is correct - so I looked it up in the dictionary. I couldn't figure out the pronunceation guide. So I looked it up in a different dictionary, used the pronunciation key in the front... and I THINK it's 3. Looked it up in a third... and I think it said 2. I have no idea.

I'm like a lawyer reading a CNC program. Lost.

Re: 2006 Official Game Hint Discussion

[quote=Not2B]

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Originally Posted by Zach Purser

Maybe it's my southern dialect, but I only count 7 syllables in the first line.
five 'bots tangling with pasta
1 1 2 1 2
Can someone help me out here?
QUOTE]

I think the question is on tangling.

Tang - Ling => 2
Tan - gle - ing => 3
I don't know which is correct - so I looked it up in the dictionary. I couldn't figure out the pronunceation guide. So I looked it up in a different dictionary, used the pronunciation key in the front... and I THINK it's 3. Looked it up in a third... and I think it said 2. I have no idea.

I'm like a lawyer reading a CNC program. Lost.

Even with my Southern drawl (ha), it's tan-guhl-ing. Three syllables. (Tangle is two, the -ing suffix adds the third.)

Re: 2006 Official Game Hint Discussion

^ No, no, your right. If you say Tangle, then add the -ing, it works out to three. I'm not a great english person, but I don't think Tang- , -Gling, is the correct pronunciation.

Re: 2006 Official Game Hint Discussion

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Originally Posted by Lavery's Away Message Right Now

Got tired of waiting for Godot, gone looking for him...

EDIT: Mr. Lavery pointed out that Godot is capitalized, my mistake.

Waiting for Godot is a crazy artsy play about people waiting for a guy that never comes, or as wikipedia so aptly says:

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

This intentionally uneventful and repetitious plot symbolizes the tedium and meaninglessness of human life which is a common theme of existentialism.

Make of that what you will :D

Re: Official FIRST Hint declassification

Montana also means mountain in Spanish

Re: 2006 Official Game Hint Discussion

[quote=Billfred]

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Originally Posted by Not2B

Even with my Southern drawl (ha), it's tan-guhl-ing. Three syllables. (Tangle is two, the -ing suffix adds the third.)

tan·gle -
v. tan·gled, tan·gling, tan·gles
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=tangling

Two syllables.

Re: 2006 Official Game Hint Discussion

Refererence: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=41024

Many interesting points have been brought up about this picture. In the second ripple down I see what appears to be 4 colored orbs encased in a piece of flatbar. I think that these may be lights added to the place where the operators and coach stand. This would place the robot right in front of the diamond plate wall. This places my loading zone directly in front of the directly in front of the diamond plate. This makes me thing that we may be seeing not a loading zone, but maybe an unloading zone like in 2004.

T-minus 261 hours til revelation.

Re: 2006 Official Game Hint Discussion

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Originally Posted by iCurtis

Refererence:
Many interesting points have been brought up about this picture. In the second ripple down I see what appears to be 4 colored orbs encased in a piece of flatbar.

T-minus 261 hours til revelation.

i think those are the eyes of the robot...remember how Dave makes all the robots cartoonish, and uses the same ones in every animation? I think that's the little guy that always gets picked on...

however, i DO like your idea of an unloading zone

Re: 2006 Official Game Hint Discussion

So there is a lot of talk about Montana, and about a shovel's show. What if the shovel's show is the show a shovel would watch? Look at the Montana flag again:

What show are the shovels watching? The sunset (if the sun is over the mountains in Montana, it is a sunset)? The green field? The waterfall?

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Originally Posted by Henry_Mareck

#4. I think "oro y plata" means "gold and silver" in spanish. (correct me if im wrong). Maybe there will be a few gold + silver objects worth Über points

Hmm, something with Gold on it being worth Über points? Where have I seen that before?

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Originally Posted by Greg Needel

true that residential gps is +/- 10 feet but differential gps is good down to a few inches... the only problem is GPS doesn't work inside, it is hard to get line of sight with satellites when there is a roof in the way. :-P

as for my opinion i like the idea of a robotic field element and small game elements piled up (golf balls) anyway we will find out soon enough.

There are so-called "Local Positioning Systems" that are designed to work indoors. They basically use GPS technology, but with local transmitters instead of satellites. They are used in everything from automated warehouses to theme park rides (Pooh's Hunny Hunt in Tokyo Disneyland uses such a system to guide multiple vehicles around small rooms without colliding, so it is certainly accurate enough).

However, I doubt that FIRST will use such a GPS based system due to the cost of each team needing one to practice with. Of course, there are cheaper ways of helping robots find their position on the field...

Re: 2006 Official Game Hint Discussion

there is another pasta not yet mentioned. elbow macaroni.
the 3-inch pvc elbows are readily available at home depot. painted red, blue, yellow, green, and white, we could have a tangle of robots attempting to retrieve the proper color from the holding bin.
setup is easy for the field crew, since they can quickly fill the holding bin with the 50 or so pvc elbows.

jerry w

Re: 2006 Official Game Hint Discussion

This just struck me, in reading the thread and thinking about football...players tangle in football all the time - whenever a pass is thrown or the ball is fumbled...maybe the tangle is a pile of balls?
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Originally Posted by skimoose

five 'bots tangling with pasta
a game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
and seeing Montana's green heights

Art04 and I kicked this one around quite a bit and I agree with most of his points. What most people are missing in the game clue is that last year's clue was hinting at the GAME NAME. Montana's "Big Sky" country. So "Sky High" is right on for a game name. :cool:

"Five 'bots" I'll stick with 3v3. FIRST is always trying to get as many teams into the finals as possible. 1v1v1v1v1 would be reducing potential finalists by 1 robot possibly, and 1v1v1v1v1 games are not TV friendly. Viewers who aren't into FIRST wouldn't understand the game easily. Two teams of bots squaring off, that's easy to understand. If FIRST is to grow, they'll need to get more and more bots involved in games for the action and TV viewability. A third alliance, green? No, FIRST's colors are red white and blue, not green.

"pasta" Again, why is everyone assuming pasta is refering to spaghetti. Shells are shaped very much like footballs. Tieing in with the Joe Montana thought and JVN's gridiron vex bot. Those who look for trends in FIRST games thought this year would be a ball game again. Well what are footballs? Besides, has anyone thought about how the Human Player would interact with the bots? Noodles and pipes don't offer too many options that would be safe (javelin throw anyone?) or TV friendly. Footballs would again bring the athletic side to the HP position.

But if you really want to confuse yourself, just check out all the weird shapes of pasta. Spirals anyone (hmmm, Archemedes screws) or wagon wheels (Westward Ho..... to Montana!) :eek:

"a game piece obsessed with a shovel's show" Can you think of a better way to pick up footballs? or see below on the shovel's show = dig hole thought.

"and seeing Montana's green heights" seeing = CMU2 cam. I think its here to stay. Afterall, it is prominently displayed on the IFI page on robotics. "green heights" the vision target will be elevated. Tie this with the five bots and the new KOP high traction wheels and its a center raised platform with the target on top. Possibly five sided slope or five goal pits set into the platform (there's your holes gang). Make the ramps out of lexan and viewers can see what's in the goals :confused: . Low cost fields don't need this viewability so plywood would work. Goals being owned by which alliance has the most balls in the goal. (Similar to this year's FVC game) By having a center raised platform it keeps most of a TV camera's focus on mid-field (TV friendly viewing).

With the vision target at the top of a midfield ramp(s), the only question is what's the goal of autonomous this year and what happens when a team acheives autonomous success? :rolleyes:

More fuel for your thoughts. Anyone want to pick up this (foot)ball and run with it?