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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rho It has many scientific uses in the fields of physics, electonics, and other areas. Quote:
Last year wasn't that much at the end, just a home zone return, unless you were fighting over the height of a stack, or putting one on a stack yourself in the last second (fun times at BE). 2001= Last second working together for Ramp position 2002=Last second end zone dash with tethers 2003= Last second Fighting for Ramp position 2004=Last second hangs on the bar 2005=Last second dashes to the End zone, but not as exciting as 2002 with the exclusion of tethers. I think the order of Montana's green heights may mean a big finish with a field structure green and high off the ground. |
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Taking off on Elgin's idea, what if the "End Zone" were undefined until the end of the game? At that point a vision surface is revealed for the robots to "Go Home" (defined as "Any part of your robot must be touching within an arc around the vision plate"). The robot would have to locate the vision plate, and then either drive toward it or release a thether toward it to score. It would be like 2002, except that instead of humans aligning and releasing the tethers, it would be the robot doing those tasks. 2002 had some very exciting finishes, as audiences watched the robot tethers move toward the end zones -- some made it, and some were heartbreakingly just short. |
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http://www.montanagreenpower.com/
Having to do with Solar, renewable energy, look at the picture, green mountains???? IDK, first thing came to mind just looked at the clue today. |
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In response to Elgin thoughts, The state motto of montana where the shovel is pointing is "Oro y plata"- which stands for gold and silver, lemme know if you get anything from this.
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http://www.joemenassa.com/Images/ROB...es/EPV0614.htm It was just a bright as the Blue or Red colors that were used to designate color for the matches. The parts FIRST used last year certainly are capable of including a green team with minimal additional effort. Rob |
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I was thinking of the clue late last night, and something came to me. A while back there was a hint given by dave
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...60&postcount=7 about "hovercrafts and the english channel". Could it be possible that the hovercraft metioned in this hint could refer to the placebo bots mentioned earlier in this thread? this going back to placebo could also be a referece to the cryptic clue given by dave "you already have it" (in reference to the clue) |
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they could make the robots be pixels!!! the autonomous mode would be to find the other robots by their LED's and position themselves in a predetermined pattern....or not |
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(from wikipedia link) 2. The lower-case letter ρ is used as the symbol for the radius in a polar coordinate system in mathematics. A ROUND field??!? |
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w00t! i have finally made my way through 30 pages of complex thoughts! alright heres what i got. Nothing super new to wow your brains, but perhaps some re-enforcement. I agree that there will probably be a multi sided ramp, maybe 2 sided like "stack attack" with a flat on top, or maybe a pentagon ramp. Remember how in 2003 the ramp surface was a wire grate? well maybe thats not too much of a tangle, but what if the ramp surface was like a cargo net? that would be a challenge, provide a bit of a tangle, and be pretty cool. Also with the idea of a placebo bot. i doubt it will happen again due to the maintenance and other cost associated as mentioned before.
If it were to a critical game element my thought is that it would have to be fairly simple in design, and be autonomously controlled. For if the robot was controlled by people then the activity of the robot would not be the same for each team in a round, or regional. That provides the problem of that robot maybe being biased, or giving an unfair advantage to some, intentionally or not. Also that means that that game piece would be different in every regional unless Dave intends to use a vast satellite network so that he can control every robot in every regional at every match! hes got alot of time on his hands, but really. So that leads me to believe that if a placebo were to occur, it would have to be autonomous, and the code would have to be given to the teams so that they could built it into their field. overall, i just doubt that it will occur. as for a third alliance? well green is the perfect color for it. after all, go ahead and look at your monitors color settings. the 3 colors it uses to make all the others are Red Green and Blue. thus there is no possible way you could mistake one for the other.and hey, add them all together and they make white, a FIRST color. BUT i also doubt that there will be 3 teams for the reasons of ganging up on other teams, and for the unmentioned reason :the Field layout. Let's assume that we use the standard carpet playing Field we did last year. There was red on one side, and blue on the other. Where would the third team go? where would they set up controls and put their human player? on the side? that'd be unfair because they could then get a better view of the field. Stick them next to another teams station? then you are just asking for teams to gang up. so really? where would their control station be? Seriously, i place my bet on a 3v3 game. Also, the thought of water bounced around. No i don't think there will be an aqueous challenge, but lets not look at water for its face value, lets look deeper into water, as we did with the baton. This may be a little whack, but i thought of it last night. Those of you who know your chemistry know that molecular bonds have specific formations, and that when bonded they for specific angles between the atoms. Water has a bent structure and its bond angle is approximately 104.5 degrees? (correct me on that I'm doing it off memory.) well, while that is rather steep, perhaps that could be the angle of the ramp? or the angle of another Field element? oo this just came to mind. its a bit far fetched but here goes. On Dave's animation picture, he says its a 2007 clue, yes i know, but maybe theres a connection. There are 2 fish approaching a robot with a banana. What if the 2 fish represent 2 alliances and the robot represents .. as much as i hate to say, some sort of placebo bot. maybe its a 2003 style Field and there is only room on each side of the ramp for 2 bots on each side, plus the one in the middle =5 robots. what that placebo robot may do? i don't know really. Alright, time to get some food sunlight and fresh air! enjoy your vacation and maybe I'll see you at kickoff! |
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Well at first I was daunted by reading the mass of replies this thread has accrued while I was away, but after reading them and thinking about last years clues, I figured I'd respond yet again.
THE NAME OF THE GAME Last year's game "Triple Play" was what the baseball players in the clue accomplished. What has Joe Montana accomplished? Comebacks. What is all this ramp or platuea train of thought bringing about? King of the Hill. FIRST game names traditionally flow, therefore I wouldn't be surprised if the name of this year's game was "Comeback King" or something like that. THE AUTONOMOUS TASK I envision that the end of the game will involve reaching someplace autonomously with a major bonus. If your alliance can accomplish this task (in my mind this is scaling a box with straight edges that is rather tall, say 3 feet) the points accrued switch if you are the losing alliance. If your alliance is getting destroyed 1 to 100, but you get to the top of the box, the score becomes 100 to 1 in your favor. The switching would only occur if the losing alliance had more robots on the top of the platform (or if they want to enforce robot variety, make the platform small enough that only one robot can be on the top, this would also make staying on top it more difficult). EDIT: Does it scare anyone else that this thread has been viewed over 19,000 times... in a week! :ahh: |
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while i am in total favor of king of the hill, and some type of ramp, i dont see alot of points being awarded for the most robots ontop of a ramp, after last years no tipping rule, plus thats alot of crashing and bashing robots, just an opinion.
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However, last year's field was completely flat. Therefore, from an initial point of view when the rules were being made, it should be relatively hard to flip a team on flat ground, so if you do flip someone, it was either extenuated circumstances, or a malicious attempt. Unfortunately, FIRST must have forgot about the "9 pound tetras, ten feet overhead" part of the game... |
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Admittedly, I haven't made it through all 30 pages of this thread, but it seems to me that we are forgetting what seems to be FIRST's recent unwritten rule: KISS. FIRST is trying to make the games fairly simple so that people who are unfamiliar with the game and FIRST can walk into an event and walk out understanding the game and somewhat understand FIRST. Also, something to keep in mind is that in this past year, FIRST spent a lot of money on the new fields, and I seriously doubt that they will be throwing them out for a round, sandy, snowy or water filled field. Here are my thoughts:
The "five 'bots tangling with pasta" does not mean that there will be only five robots on the field, but instead five robots that are "tangling with pasta", while a sixth robot is not tangling with pasta, and that the game remains 3v3. I think that Gundamx may have hit a sweet spot with his idea of a pentagonal topped structure. Perhaps each of the five sides would consist of ladder like ramps to get to the pentagonal top, which only has space for one robot. So while one robot sits on the top and attempts to maintain its hold there, the other five 'bots tangle with the pasta (ladders, or maybe even rope bridges). Now, following this, it would obviously be advantageous to reach the top of the ramp as early as possible, i.e. Autonomous. If this ramp is the "green heights", then it must be seen. This makes me think that the entire ramp is green, and it is randomly placed around the field at the beginning of the match, much like the vision tetras last year. So, if you are to gain the advantage by reaching the top in autonomous you have to be able to "see" where the ramp is. FIRST is always trying to get teams to use sensors, and yet it never seems to be successful. Perhaps something of this nature could change all that. |
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while i am still all for the ramp and king of the hill idea, with 3'x3' robots weighing 130 lbs i am not seeing a movable ramp, plus if u put that much focus into taking the ramp in autonomous mode what happens the rest of the match, the movable autonomous found ramp sounds kinda boring but these r just thoughts
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