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What about multiple ramps, maybe elevated goals in the corners or something, like the Vex game for this year. That could make things interesting.

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I was thinking the same thing actually. The )T( thing would be a pain in the hiney to get up on though, if you really think about it.

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I don't think so. If it was just decoration, I think that they wouldn't put in on the list. There must be some significant interaction with the aluminum plate or they would just do what they did two years ago with the risers for the chin-up bar -- have folks make the practice field out of something esle.

Also, they must plan on the 4X8 sheet being used whole. Even at 1/16 thick, I think cutting this plate in half would be more than many teams could accomplish without some pretty ragged edges.

Joe J.

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There are a LOT of 2x4s here 17 8ft long each and 2 10 footers. If this is half a field like in previous years this is big. Also I don't think FIRST would use 1/8 polycarb for a ramp as mentioned. It's too thin for safety. I'm thinking transparent scoring column of some sort.

I figure the 4 3/4" plywood sheets are load bearing platforms, the 2 1/4" are a player station and the 1/2" is either a wall or platform that sees lower impact.

I have to say after last year's move to simple set up and low cost I'm kind shocked at how extensive this is.

Pete

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Shhhh It's a secret. ;)

:D

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There's something missing......green paint

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In the pdf, it specifically states that smaller sheets are available from Homedepot. If an intact full sheet was needed, they wouldn't point us to a place to buy smaller pieces. However, it may be somesort of flooring, in which smaller pieces would not make a difference. I bet that the flooring on part of the field is diomond plate.

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I think what he's saying is that wherever the diamond plate is, it will be a 4 x 8 area.

the reason they point you to a place to buy smaller sheets is because not everybody lives in an area near a diamond plate retailer. but home depot is everywhere.

one thing i noticed that isn't there...mailboxes :confused:

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Does the AL plate strike anyone else as the $58 item from the other thread given original price of $110?

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with only 8 carriage bolts the primary structure could not be vary large. ramps need bolts to hold them together.
we have a lot of nails, which are needed to put together several smaller objects.

jerry w

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I agree, it is quite a suspicious candidate. It definitely sounds like the Washington FIRST guy was able to cut a deal with a local metal supply shop. I also agree with Dr. J, this aluminum will be used intact and not cut.

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Yes, quite possibly. I like this new theory of aluminum and polycarbonate flooring better than my old one!

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I don't know how the 2003 ramp was put together, but there are a whole bunch of screws in the materials list. My guess is, the carriage bolts hold the AL plate on and the structure is screwed together. Or, the structure is screwed together, and the carraige bolts are in a few places to allow easy takedown of the field.

However, aren't there better bolts than carriage for attaching something like that diamond plate?

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Does anyone know if the diamond plate in the spec sheet 3003-H22/24-TP looks like this:



or does it look like this:



The difference in terms of traction is night and day.

Just wondering.

Joe J.

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Heres the list of the 2005 Field Elements for comparison http://www2.usfirst.org/2005comp/200...terials_r9.pdf however its the post kickoff edition, so ignore the stuff in Bold and you have a similar hint.

Overall the field is cheaper per item in the 05 game, however there were more parts. So could we see multiple ramps assembled this year? Maybe 3 ramps, stretch accross the field?