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Wetzel 05-01-2006 18:22

2006 Rules Now Available Encrypted
 
The 2006 rules are up and encrypted now.

http://www.usfirst.org/robotics/doc_updt.htm

Wetzel

Scott L. 05-01-2006 18:23

Re: 2006 Rules Now Available Encrypted
 
Beat me too it :D


Thanks

Conor Ryan 05-01-2006 18:27

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I found this link http://www.usfirst.org/robotics/2006...s.htm#Section0 to work best

Joe Johnson 05-01-2006 18:29

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Get Published!

I LOVE this idea -- give folks a place to go to find "best practices" BRILLIANT!

Joe J.

Elgin Clock 05-01-2006 18:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Johnson
Get Published!

I LOVE this idea -- give folks a place to go to find "best practices" BRILLIANT!

Joe J.

I know we are gonna probably aim for that.
We always aim high technically, and this is a great idea.

My hats off to the publishers. :)

Joe Johnson 05-01-2006 19:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock
I know we are gonna probably aim for that.
We always aim high technically, and this is a great idea.

My hats off to the publishers. :)

I read a bit more, you have to win an award at a regional to submit. I think this is good too. It will give the awards more gravitas.

Again, well done, FIRST.

Joe J.

sburro 05-01-2006 19:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wetzel
The 2006 rules are up and encrypted now.

http://www.usfirst.org/robotics/doc_updt.htm

Wetzel


Upn skimming, it says that the only motors in at the events will be :
CIM Motors
Nippon Denso Window Motors and Couplers
Fisher-Price Motors/Gearboxes

NO VAN DOOR MOTORS??????
I liked those the best

Katie Reynolds 05-01-2006 19:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sburro
Upn skimming, it says that the only motors in at the events will be :
CIM Motors
Nippon Denso Window Motors and Couplers
Fisher-Price Motors/Gearboxes

NO VAN DOOR MOTORS??????
I liked those the best

It doesn't necessarily mean that van door motors won't be included in the kit, just that there won't be any spares at the competition if you burn one out.

aaeamdar 05-01-2006 19:47

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Questions about de-cryption:

1. When will this happen?
2. How will it happen? Will we have to download another file?

Thanks so much for this link.

phrontist 05-01-2006 19:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aaeamdar
Questions about de-cryption:

1. When will this happen?
2. How will it happen? Will we have to download another file?

Thanks so much for this link.

No. Download all of them now (while the site is still up :rolleyes: ) and a password will be announced the day of kickoff. Try opening one of these documents now, you'll get a password prompt. They have a test document you can use to make sure decryption works.

sburro 05-01-2006 19:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aaeamdar
Questions about de-cryption:

1. When will this happen?
2. How will it happen? Will we have to download another file?

Thanks so much for this link.

At the end of kickoff they will give us the code. This will unlock the doc's but you need to keep putting the code in every time you want to view the file. After kickoff the encrypted files will be replaced with regular ones

Elgin Clock 05-01-2006 19:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sburro
At the end of kickoff they will give us the code. This will unlock the doc's but you need to keep putting the code in every time you want to view the file. After kickoff the encrypted files will be replaced with regular ones

I did find a software that allows a "put one password in and let it work for all times you open it" type magic, but I don't recall the name.

Sorry.

Just make a Notepad file with the password once it is released on Saturday, and copy paste until you get the files without prompting after Saturday.

And, for all who are not near CD, make sure you write that password down very quickly and in the right case formatting when they reveal it Saturday.

It was only on the screen for like.. maximum 15 seconds last year, which was not nearly enough time.

I hope they keep it up for a minute while someone is talking or something when they finally reveal it this year.

663.keith 05-01-2006 20:00

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I know that when I went to the main kickoff last year, they had the password up after everything was over and people were looking at the field. they will probably do something similar to that this year.

Sidney San Martín 05-01-2006 20:22

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I just found this tidbit in section 6 (transportation), page 5:
"FIRST will allow you to keep all of your robot controls (Operator Interface, OI power supply, joysticks, etc.) and not ship them with your robot on Tuesday, 2/21/2006. This will allow you to continue to work on your programming. If you decide not to ship controls with your robot, please remember to bring your controls to your initial competition. FIRST does not have replacement controls."

Are you supposed to have an extra RC, though? You need that for programming work. The rule will, at least, give teams time to tinker with control board design.

Could this mean an interesting kind of programming and control challenge this year? Hmm…

Nuttyman54 05-01-2006 20:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidney San Martín
Are you supposed to have an extra RC, though? You need that for programming work. It'll give teams time to tinker with control board design, though.

I doubt the RC will change much from last year, so you could probably just use that. Our programmer will be VERY happy though:D

Greg Ross 05-01-2006 20:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidney San Martín
I just found this tidbit in section 6 (transportation), page 5:
"FIRST will allow you to keep all of your robot controls (Operator Interface, OI power supply, joysticks, etc.)..."

Are you supposed to have an extra RC, though? You need that for programming work.

My thought is that the RC falls under the "etc."

Sidney San Martín 05-01-2006 20:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GW (Greg) Ross
My thought is that the RC falls under the "etc."

It could have been put before "OI power supply" in the list! The RC may not be considered part of "controls."

Nuttyman54 05-01-2006 20:41

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Well, I don't know....it IS a Robot CONTROLLER, and therefore is part of the "controls" per-se, but then again, you never know with those crazy FIRST people...
(just kidding, we love you guys)

sburro 05-01-2006 20:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidney San Martín
I just found this tidbit in section 6 (transportation), page 5:
"FIRST will allow you to keep all of your robot controls (Operator Interface, OI power supply, joysticks, etc.) and not ship them with your robot on Tuesday, 2/21/2006. This will allow you to continue to work on your programming. If you decide not to ship controls with your robot, please remember to bring your controls to your initial competition. FIRST does not have replacement controls."

Are you supposed to have an extra RC, though? You need that for programming work. The rule will, at least, give teams time to tinker with control board design.

Could this mean an interesting kind of programming and control challenge this year? Hmm…

I believe they said the same thing last year. remember, the brain box as I call it still needs 12 volt to operate so this might not mean that much.

Elgin Clock 05-01-2006 20:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidney San Martín
I just found this tidbit in section 6 (transportation), page 5:
"FIRST will allow you to keep all of your robot controls (Operator Interface, OI power supply, joysticks, etc.) and not ship them with your robot on Tuesday, 2/21/2006. This will allow you to continue to work on your programming. If you decide not to ship controls with your robot, please remember to bring your controls to your initial competition. FIRST does not have replacement controls."

Are you supposed to have an extra RC, though? You need that for programming work. The rule will, at least, give teams time to tinker with control board design.

Could this mean an interesting kind of programming and control challenge this year? Hmm…

Keeping those after ship date has been allowed in the past. I see no surprise there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Johnson
I read a bit more, you have to win an award at a regional to submit. I think this is good too. It will give the awards more gravitas.

I saw that. That's even more reason to aim high.

Joe Johnson 05-01-2006 20:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidney San Martín
...
"...This will allow you to continue to work on your programming....."

This puts us back to the way we were in prior to last year. Last year they tried to save us from ourselves by not allowing programming outside of the FIRST competitions (and perhaps the fix it windows, I can't recall).

It was a good effort, but it didn't seem workable. I am glad that that they returned to the old rule.

But... ...we often ended up killing ourselves after shipping to get the code right. It is easy to do because everyone agreed we HAD to make time to fix a broken weld or we wouldn't meet our ship date :-0

We could never muster the same courageous effort to fix the code because we could always fix the code after the ship date.

FIRST tried to save us last year. We sort of didn't let them. So we go the old rule back. We've go no one to blame but ourselves (and that welder who took so long fixing the arm ;-)

Joe J.

Nuttyman54 05-01-2006 20:57

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huh...we were always under the impression that EVERYTHING had to be shipped...i guess our Rules reader didn't read that carefully...oops

Joe Johnson 05-01-2006 21:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock
Keeping those after ship date has been allowed in the past. I see no surprise there.



I saw that. That's even more reason to aim high.

I don't think they said we could program last year -- there were many clarifications on this topic, perhaps the rules initially said program and then an update changed it, then they allowed you to program whenever you wanted, but you had to actually type in the changes at the competions -- similar to planning a design change before a competition and implementing at the competition.

I have commented elsewhere so I will leave it at that.

Joe J.

Sidney San Martín 05-01-2006 21:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54
huh...we were always under the impression that EVERYTHING had to be shipped...i guess our Rules reader didn't read that carefully...oops

Same here. No interesting little tidbit, I guess.

Scott Shaw 237 05-01-2006 21:02

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Just to clarify the rule on the controllers, this was in last years manual

Quote:

FIRST will allow you to keep all of your robot controls (Operator Interface, OI power supply, joysticks, etc.)
and not ship it with your robot on Tuesday, 2/22/2005. This will allow you to continue to work on your
programming. If you decide not to ship it with your robot, please remember to bring it to your initial
competition. FIRST does not have replacement controls.
Section 6.4.3 in case you were wondering.

Stu Bloom 05-01-2006 21:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock
I did find a software that allows a "put one password in and let it work for all times you open it" type magic, but I don't recall the name.

Sorry.

Just make a Notepad file with the password once it is released on Saturday, and copy paste until you get the files without prompting after Saturday.

And, for all who are not near CD, make sure you write that password down very quickly and in the right case formatting when they reveal it Saturday.

It was only on the screen for like.. maximum 15 seconds last year, which was not nearly enough time.

I hope they keep it up for a minute while someone is talking or something when they finally reveal it this year.

IF YOU HAVE the full version of Adobe Acrobat (not just the reader), after we receive the password and you open your encrypted documents, you can actually disable the encryption and save them as "un-locked" (de-crypted) files - then you won't have to enter the password each time you open them. This feature is under the "File" menu - select "Document Security".

Venkatesh 05-01-2006 21:38

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I'll mirror everything at http://endeavour.zapto.org/usfirst/2006comp/.

fnsnet 05-01-2006 21:56

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I've also mirrored the files at the link below.
Sorry about the lack of file information, I did this quick.

here

Venkatesh 05-01-2006 22:10

Re: 2006 Rules Now Available Encrypted
 
We should have a list of mirrors somewhere, hopefully before Saturday.

Tom Bottiglieri 05-01-2006 22:25

Re: 2006 Rules Now Available Encrypted
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidney San Martín
I just found this tidbit in section 6 (transportation), page 5:
"FIRST will allow you to keep all of your robot controls (Operator Interface, OI power supply, joysticks, etc.) and not ship them with your robot on Tuesday, 2/21/2006. This will allow you to continue to work on your programming. If you decide not to ship controls with your robot, please remember to bring your controls to your initial competition. FIRST does not have replacement controls."

Are you supposed to have an extra RC, though? You need that for programming work. The rule will, at least, give teams time to tinker with control board design.

Could this mean an interesting kind of programming and control challenge this year? Hmm…

You've been able to keep the OI every year. Plus, any major code changes are going to need to be done on the real bot. You can theorize all you want, but something will always go wrong.

Ethulin 05-01-2006 22:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Venkatesh
We should have a list of mirrors somewhere, hopefully before Saturday.

FYI: There is now a thread for everyone to post your mirrors, please share everyone! :)

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=41201

Mr.G 06-01-2006 00:22

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All the documents together are just over 2MB. Usually the pneumatics part alone is bigger then that. Who needs dsl!

Elgin Clock 06-01-2006 14:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle Master
All the documents together are just over 2MB. Usually the pneumatics part alone is bigger then that. Who needs dsl!

Just FYI, there will be way more documents being released.

The Kit docs alone, will be like.. 2 pages worth of links on the internet as it was in previous years more than likely.

It includes, spec sheets, photos, and all info on the parts themselves.

The field will have drawings, and other info as well.

What you see right now, is not all of what you are going to see in the next few days on that page.

ebmonon36 06-01-2006 17:32

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According to the Awards section, the theme of the animation this year has finally changed - "Ideas Realized" is the theme for this year. It will be interesting to see what everyone comes up with after having the same theme for the animation for quite some time now.
ERic


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