Does anyone else think this game will not be as good as I imagine it might be?
 

Not to be a Negative Nancy here, but this game looks (edit by Joe J.) not as good as I imagine it might be. My first impression was that no one will understand the rules and it will be chaos on the field. Does anybody else feel this way?

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no.

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No one has even started to design thier robots yet.
You probably won't really know how the game is til you actually see a real competition.
Just give it a chance.

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It is actually the most simple game I've ever seen on FIRST. Shoot balls, get on the ramp, each alliance gets its turn. Want me to draw a picture? ;)

I believe it will be fun to watch but a nightmare to design the robot! Devious! :yikes:

Also, please refer to this post.

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This is the first year we have ever been able to launch things... ;)

I suggest you read this:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=41233

EDIT: someone beat me too it by a few seconds...

I'm going to leave this up anyway.

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Yeah, for sure. It may just be alright though—it's impossible to tell right now. Personally, I thought that '03 would be a good game, then it wasn't, and '04 looked lame but it wasn't. I'm looking forward to the games

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I am all for this game, The rules are easy to understand and the game is on the diffucult side to stratigize for and design for. Which i am excited to start the designing and building.

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I think that it is way too early to draw a negative impression. The game on opening day always has a lot of rules and chaos. However, as teams think the game through and read the rules, a clear understanding develops. Two years ago, the 2X balls were a big focus at kickoff but not nearly as much at the Championship.

I think the game has just as many rules as last year and that once read, it will be a very fast paced, exciting match.

From what I've seen and thought so far, the new bumper rules and height adds a tremendous amount of possibility to this game. Every year many teams want to put on protection but must sacrifice them for weight constraints. Also looking back at the 2004 game, the 5' maximum height creates a defensive strategy based more on driving.

I think once the rules are completely read and teams start brainstorming and mocking out the game, the game will be very enjoyable just as years past.

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If it's early enough to draw a positive impression, I'd say it's early enough to draw a negative impression.

Edit: Why was the title changed? I don't mind that it was changed, but there's no indication given in the original post that it was, thereby misrepresenting the original poster's thoughts.

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On the contrary, I really like this game! my first reaction to the game was OMG, this is amazing! This is an awesome game, and this should be an awesome year. What can be better than building robots that shoot nerf balls?!? This will be a very exciting game for the audience and for spectators! Major kudos to FIRST and the GDC, as these games just keep on getting better and better! :D

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I think the game gives rookies a fairly easy task to do (simply push) while giving the veterans something higher to aim for (figuratively and literally).

Thank you GDC. It looks great.

Now...time to inventory. :ahh:

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Well then. Sorry guys

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First off, we generally don't mind people being negative as long as you can back it up. Someone saying "This games sucks!" is wasting a post. Someone who says "I think there will be chaos on the field and the audience won't understand what is going on and this is why I think that..." is helping a productive debate be accomplished. Someone saying "Don't dis the game that way this game will rock" is wasting just as much of a post as saying "I hate this game", besides the fact that they are patting the GDC on the back, which the GDC always deserves (I dont' even want to think how many hours they put into this).

Now, I think the GDC hit a homerun on this one. While it is a tad complicated, if you understand the rules, it will be a blast to watch. Come on, each alliance has 40 seconds in which all they do is play defense on an alliance attempting to score! We will see the return of those jaw dropping plays we saw in 2004. Also robots shooting balls into goals is quite a concept which I am anxiously awaiting the development of. Good job GDC and FIRST, you've got me on the edge of my seat!

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It's cool.

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Well then. Sorry guys.

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This game has given me the most fun Ive ever had on the first day of build, Im REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. It's gonna be a fast paced, hard fought, and dramatic game it looks like, and Im really thinking it will be amazing. This game is gonna have "big hits", "buzzer shots", and lots of action because of the real time scoring, which hasnt been present for many a year.
Plus how can you not like getting to throw stuff? ;)

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Well Negative Nancy,

6 hours after seeing the game and reading most of the documentation.......

I REALLY LIKE THE GAME!
But that's just my own opinion and it can change by the end of the 6 week building period.

I like it because it is unique, exciting, a hint of risk and taste of danger.
:)

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F.I.R.S.T.: "Sports are bad"

[10 mins later]

F.I.R.S.T.: "Lets play basketball"

... does any one else see the irony here?

jk, this looks to be an amazing game on all aspects of the design process, good luck everyone

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This may be my rookie year on Team 25, but I think this is an awesome game. It's simple and it's exciting. What could be better?

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Hey everybody.
I see NeedMoreEngines is taking quite a hit to his rep. I think he got the point there no need to pile on him and drive him from the site.
How about we let up on the guy, OK?

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My initial reaction was very positive - reserving judgement until I could read the rules. A few interesting twists, a few things that will have to be clarified, but I'm still impressed.

The 3v2 sections could be confusing to the audience ("Why isn't that robot doing anything?") but should provide quite interesting game dynamics.

Good job, games committee.

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Yeah come on people! Last I checked this forum doesn't make opinions illegal. Just because you disagree with an opinion doesn't make the person wrong or a object of aggresion. Lighten up, he might see something that you didn't and you might get a chance to learn from their insights.

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I think this game is great its a way that the team have to build the robot for both offensive and defensive, its more a challenge!!! So i say BRING ON THE CHALLENGE!!! :D :D :D

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All right. Now I see that what I said was wrong. I obviously didn't want to spark this much controversy, I was just curious as to how others felt about it. I know the design team put a lot of effort into it. Sorry.

I just think the 4 periods system and the switching between offense and defense will be the major pitfall of this year's game. It seems like there are a lot of rules that could be easily violated if you don't read the materials and work carefully. That's all.

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You know one challenge I see is autonomous mode. Due to close proximity and common goal robots will need some pretty good object avoidance systems or else we'll have robots bumping into each other like it was a mosh pit. Also I'm a little worried about how soft these balls are, I can just see one getting under a bot and messing with its maneuverability. That said, can't say I wont enjoy helping to design the system we make to overcome these issues. :)

mmmhmm I imagine it will be hard to see the line and thats one line I definitely don't want to cross. :D Maybe an IR warning system would be in order.

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yeah i was kind of scepticle, and then i remembered that i was scepticle about last year's game as well, and then i loved it. just give it time... it will grow on you.

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I am kinda saddened by the fact that there is basically one thing you can offensivley which is pout balls in the goals. I like the different periods that you can have.

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I must say, if it goes like it should, it will be the most exciting game for the audience yet. This game might actually be fun for normal people to watch. And throwing things is always good, unless they're rocks... Now, the ultimate question will be, can teams get the CMUCam to work? That is really what the whole excitement and fervor of the game lies on. Without it, we'll have people taking bad shots at the center that miss, and pushing fights for the corner. If it does work, it'll be amazing.

I just hope the GDC did their homework on this one. Amazing what a little lighted square can influence...

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all i know is the designers for the game have some very sick minds...

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:ahh: uh oh. Unless you mean that their ideas is totally sick and you are really excited, in which case you might want to specify so people don't misinterpret. Criticism without purpose or constructive goals is just pointless.

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The original title was not helpful nor constructive. I can honestly say that I really don't mind folks that don't like this game. I myself am still making up my mind. BUT... ...it was not constructively possed. It was little more than asking folks to join in a name calling festival.

I and others are just plain not going to accept that this year on ChiefDelphi.com

Read this post.

Have all the concerns you want, talk about improvements all you want, but name calling and negativity for the purposes of venting is out of bounds.

Joe J.

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there have been several games over the years in which the robots got to 'shoot things'

the Xcats had a ball shooter a few years back when we had to put the soccer balls in the goals. I remember because I got shot in the face by the robot point-blank while we were working on the ball trajectory

the year with the inner tubes on the tree-like frame (1997), the kodak team built a robot that could fling the inner tubes through the air

and if you go way back, there were other games with balls that were shot, launched or tossed by the bots.

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I firmly believe that this year's game will be excellent, enjoyable to watch, and exhilarating to play.

I strongly view the game as robotic lacrosse with the possible simplicity of soccer, ie the raise center goal, and the lower goals. also the offense/ defense aspect will be very similar to 'real' sports, which everyone can understand.

I'm really excited :D

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Here is my opinion I would like to share, every year when the game is announced, my first thought is "whaaaaat?" By the time I am done reading the manual and going through all the rules, the game gets exciting and exciting. Personally I love this game and I am looking forward to this season. :)

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no, this game looks great, it seems like it will be alot more even on the fields this year than last. I'm sure alot of Veteran teams will design a device taht makes shooting the 3 point ball accurate and easy, but then again less advance robots can easily defend them by pushing them out of the way. It is alot more even than last years game.

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True, but this is the first year FIRST is forcing us to actually throw stuff besides the corner goals!
All that arm/manipulator experience/knowledge is somewhat thrown away this year.

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lol true, i bet pink (233) will be able to incorporate their infamous Sprocket Arm into this game :-p

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This game is the only one in 4 years that I've been really excited about. It seems to be the first one I've seen wehere you are going to need solid sensor + programming. Its the first time I've gotten into arguments about what I think the robot should do ;)

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at first i was like... wow the field is so empty it looks boring... but the defense/offense switches really do play alot into the strategy aspect ... and it will be a challenge shooting balls in the goals etc... so i think it will be pretty cool, LIVE scoring is also a plus.

I think we'll just have to wait and see... and btw I don't think he posted anything in a "bad" fashion, It was all respectful... he just posted that certain aspects of the game lead him to think it will be confusing... its just an opinion.

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Thanks for posting that Ed, everyone who reminds everyone else about not posting opinions without necessarily backing them up also needs to be reminded of the fact that CD isnt their own personal gracious fiefdom that is closed off to anyone with a different opinion or anyone who doesnt know the rules yet.

That being said! To the topic of the thread at hand. This year's game involves just as much if not more strategy than last year's. A couple interesting points of comparision, similar scoring systems based around manipulation of only one element. Tetras Vs. Balls. Scoring Under vs. Corner Goals. Stacking tetras vs. Centre Goal Shots (obviously the disparity here will be much bigger) and of course, the end zone bonuses. Altogether, I think FIRST has done the best job they can in terms of levelling the playing field again for new teams and veteran teams. There is a lot of damage a single push defensive bot can do versus the same amount of damage a highly effective and mobile shooter can do.

In terms of crowd excitement, while there will be contact, I get the distinct feeling there will be some initial confusion for the first few totally new audience goers to the game, mostly due to the offensive/defensive periods (everyone understands to shoot the ball into the big target) ;) but then again nothing can compare to the excitement and simplicity of 2003.

Overall for a team point of view, this game offers up a well-rounded avenue of strategies to build with enough variation on how to score or prevent others from scoring that it represents a decent effort by the GDC. They are hard pressed every year to come up with a game and really no one can tell at this stage how well it will be received. Nevertheless, they did their job and came up with a game that I think will be just as good as the games of the past, but at this point in the season, I dont see it as being any better either.

It is just a FIRST game that can leave you with that feeling one hour or two into build season :)

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I have to say that I am initially not a fan of the offensive period/defensive period thing. I think that for FIRST to be as successful as I want it to be long term, outsiders need to "get" the game in 30 seconds. The whole thing about "you can't score in this period" is going to be confusing I think.

That said, it looks like it will be a blast to play.

:cool:

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Wow, I'm totally shocked to see so many people who support this game. I don't like this year's game for the same reasons I didn't like last year's game. At both kickoffs, I remember sitting there thinking "there's only one way to score". The hallmark of nearly all FIRST games except the past two has been multiple ways to score - not just multiple places, but multiple objects or tasks. Also, having robots unfold to more than their starting height has always been a key feature of every game, including last year. I believe that games that virtually require teams to make robots that get taller incite a lot more clever engineering than one where the robot not only is the height it starts at, but also can't tip over on its side to drive. Another thing FIRST has done well in the past but seems to be lacking this year is autonomous tasks. There's really only one autonomous goal this year: score the most points. Also, it strikes me as very much not in the spirit of FIRST to limit what tasks (offense vs defense) a robot can do and which robots can perform them (only two over the line) basically at random points during the game. It seems to play like the ball changing possession in a "standard sport", yet nothing like that happens in this game.

This is just my take based on my first read-through of the rules. Maybe when we start brainstorming my opinion will change.

On the upside, I'm really looking forward to making an autonomous ball shooter...

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One thing that is better this year is there are no 30 point penalties to basically tilt the outcome of the match one way or the other.

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It does seam like there are a lot of opportunities for 5 point penalties though.

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This is going to be more like a football game. It's going to be fun for anyone to watch. It's the year where you could watch this, and it's like watching one of the best games of soccer you've ever seen. It's constant action, and fun, and I see nothing wrong with it. This is so logically done, and so simple, there is going to be so many different designs, there is no one truly perfect designs. The game design team did a great job with this... You could design any way you want, and the robot will have some larger function at least during some point in the game. I don't think there will be as much confusion with this game as with last years, because it's much simpler, even with the offensive and defensive periods.

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I do wonder if the robot breaks down when it's offside would they continue to slam it with 5 point penalties? Even if it never moved form it's starting point on the field.
That could be a bit of a concern.

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This is the best game ever. By far. All future games should emulate this one.

Dave, or any GDC members, if we meet this season, krispy kreme's on me.

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I suspect the reason to this is because it's the only way to keep the fun in the game. When they started to explain the game my initial reaction was 'You know you could use a arm to just dump balls in that hole!" But really, whats the fun in that? I mean the main point of FIRST, and they do an amazing job of it, is to tease out that creativity to acomplish a completely unique way. Last year projectiles were illegal and one could say it stopped a lot of clever engineering this year projectiles are legal and vertical extension is illegal, like everything in engineering it's a tradeoff. Besides I think to give a team a completely new problem that doesn't have a simple solution inspires more creativity then to let them build on something they have done for two years straight. It keeps us out of a rut and is guarenteed to put gray in your hair!

I think you will find this years autonomous more challenging then any previous year. I think their is something in this game that has failed to be mentioned. This game is unique in that it requires a completeley new type of autonomous to really suceed. The driver, since it's not practical for him to do it him/herself, has to depend on programming in game to control a key feature of the robot. Think of it as a hybridization of the traditional autonomous/player game. You see it a little in some automatic functions involving simple sensors but not to this extent.

Their are other aspects to that are not readily apparent that makes this game a step up from what ive normally done. And they also managed to include some old problems like visability (im thinking of seeing if you are beyond, on, or over the white boundary line) that are present every year. I think this is going to be a good year all in all. Ill chip in for Krispy Kremes too! :)

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Well, here's an outsiders opinion...

Every year, I take my wife to dinner at Applebee's on Kickoff night, and explain the game.

After I explained the game, she said that either she is getting smarter, or the game is easy to understand.

She had NEVER understood the game this quickly. Never. Ever. She said it should be fun to watch - like a cross between soccer and basketball.

This could have wider viewer appeal than past games.

Giddy up!

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lol yeah this game is alot easier to explain then a "three demensional version of Tic-Tac-Toe played with Tetrahedral shaped objects" or a game full of 5 point balls, 2x multiplier balls automatic ball dumps and a pullup bar...

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I assume that you are talking about the BACKBOT requirement.

Let me say that I have NOT read the rules, but from how my daughter explained it to me, there is not a requirement for a particular robot be the BACKBOT but just that an ALLIANCE has to have a BACKBOT.

So it seems to me that the ALLIANCE would have to make a decision to keep playing defense with 3 robots (1 dead plus two alive) and racking up the penalties as a result or putting a live robot as the BACKBOT and doing their best to defend with only 1 live robot (and one dead one).

Joe J

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no, i think that the game is an awesome idea, easy concept but a serious challenge for design. also since its so simple even rookie teams like mine have a chance.

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Hello All,
All I can say for this game is WOW!!! :ahh: :yikes: :ahh: :yikes:

I think that this year is defenetly going to challenge us all. The game is simple to explain and understand, but from a designer stand-point, this is going to be a tough one. There are many different things that you have to decide on. for example:

1. Defensive or offensive?
2. Shooting or pushing?
3. What type of atonomious do you want to use?
4. How do you collect balls effiecently?
5. And the big one: To store balls or not to store balls? That is the question(Hey I know it's cheesy, but i had to say it and plus I'm working off of about 4 hours of sleep.)

Anyways, I think that it will defenetly test all of our abilities to design, drive, and stratigize. I am really looking forward to it.

Now off to disecting that manual!!! :ahh:

Josh
SGSDragons
Team Driver and Designer

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I think this game probably has a lot of hidden design challenges. Time will tell...

Yeah, but what's geekier? :D

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LOL, I agree

Josh
SGSDragons
Team Driver and Designer

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The rules state that the alliance can switch back bots at any time, so long as one robot is fully behind the line, so to avoid penalties, the alliance could send the another robot on-sides, although it would reduce the defense to one robot, it's better than a lot of penalties.

Perhaps disabling the robot might be a way around the penalties.

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If disabling a robot avoids off-side penalties, then an alliance could drive one robot in front of one of the corner goals, disable it, and then have three defenders.

If a robot dies in play, the alliance should lose the use of that robot, not get a free substitution.

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Correct, if they know in advance that they'll have a dead robot. What if they forget to turn it on, and the field crew doesn't catch their error for them? What if they're in the middle position, straddling the line when that happens? Isn't that -70 points = (5 sec grace + 7 × 5 sec intervals) × 2 periods, at -5 per interval?

Painful!

Edit: Ryan's right. They send another teammate over to sit back, or alternatively, shove it into the right zone.

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My initial reactions, as it turned into a more positive thread:

- Field is empty!
- Expecting less diversity in robot design than say in '04, but we'll see.
- "Relatively" one-dimensional/one-tasked game
- Hope they put netting around the field!
- Wow that ramp is steep.
- The camera's back. I think that's good, going for multiple year usage so people really get a chance to use it.
- This game is spectator and media friendly. With the likeness of basketball, football, hockey, sports, non-FIRSTers might get even more excited.

After Reading the Manual:
- The game rules are well-written compared to previous years! Very clear and understandable, with a few minor exceptions (that I've seen discussed). So far, I find very little room for loop-holes and confusion if you read them thoroughly.
- It seems like the refs job might be slightly less stressful, as there shouldn't be too many discretion or opinion calls needed and they can focus on robot position and interaction.
- The points/penalties are balanced! Woohoo!
- Pretty much all the penalties are the same amt, 5pts! Woohoo!
- Unlimited scoring! I hope those sensors work!
- They have obviously taken into account (while writing the rules) to cover and clearly state their intent of a rule to minimize the amount of "lawyering" that can be done.
- They have addressed many of the confusions and complaints from previous years (in game section at least).
- Wow, they went to serpentine alliance selections (1 to 8 pick, then back down 8 to 1 pick). Will be interesting.
- Size restrictions - mixed feelings. Sorta relates to the less diversity note. I am amazed at some of the things teams come up with when unfolded, expanded, etc. But this will definitely challenge creativity in design.

They aren't grouped in good or bad. In general I think this will be a great game and we'll see how it turns out. I still contend the '04 game itself (aside from rule/penalty debates) has been the most exciting yet. We'll see if this overrides that.

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You are right, there is just one way to score and that is to score balls. However, unlike last years game, you can herd balls much easier then you can herd tetras. Teams with a stable drive base can score a good load of points. Thats why this game is so much better. I also disliked the fact that there is only one way to score in triple play but this years game is much more satisfying.

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I have to say I love this years game. I have been around for 12 years.

We can hit other robots :) and if we tip them over it will not be or fault as long as we hit them under the 8 1/2 " limit. this is big for us. We love to push other robots

http://www.valleytech.k12.ma.us/robo...20goal%201.jpg

a picture of what we can look forward to. because if you do not want to score you can hit and hit some more. we will see a lot of robot parts on the floor.

The best thing is if you do fall over you can be pushed up the ramp to score points. :ahh:

for those how are thinking about putting something down on the rug to hold themselves down look at this

http://www.valleytech.k12.ma.us/robo...ping%20Bot.jpg

now see what happen to them

http://www.valleytech.k12.ma.us/robo...ing%20goal.jpg

Then I think we have some plans that might look like this

http://www.valleytech.k12.ma.us/robo...2%20Sunday.jpg

http://www.valleytech.k12.ma.us/robo..._ball-goal.JPG




I think the most of the scoring will be in the auto mode. then it we be defence

http://www.valleytech.k12.ma.us/robo.../ClearRamp.JPG

for those who can remember the auto mode for this year was very important

So let the fun begin

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I agree with you. This game does seem a lot easier to understand than Triple Play, but I don't know, that could have just been because I was a rookie last year and a little overwhelmed by everything. I also agree that it will be on the difficult side to strategize and design for. But that is one of the great things about FIRST, challenges! I can't wait to see the diversity of 'bots this game will bring. :)

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[quote=Not2B]
This could have wider viewer appeal than past games.
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That is definitely a plus. And now, to infect even more outsiders with the beautiful program that is FIRST Robotics Competition....
Maybe we'll even get shown on ESPN soon, lol.

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If you are trying to damage other peoples robots on purpose then you might want to re watch the kickoff movie. Remember gracious professionalism and what you can do sometimes come in conflict but gracious professionalism should always win. I really hope you don't go to regionals with the intent of damaging other robots.

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We do not try to damage other robots. this is a full contact sport this year. that is why you can use a bumper. that is why FIRST tells everybody to put them on. This will stop the hard blow from a robot. but you have to remember we are playing defence and defence is pushing other robots :)

so just make sure your robots can be pushed and it will not you break anything.

If you make a robot so just a good push will break you then you have made your robot wrong. That is why the rule of pushing comes into play. If our robot pushes you and we are only pushing you at within 8" off the floor and you flip or something break that is not our fault this year. in the past it was a judge call. this year it is not. :)

So please do not think we play to damage other robots we do play by the rules

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It's still a judgement call:
If you tip someone over, there is a judgement call as to whether or not you meant to do it. The things you've said in this thread suggest that you plan to hit with the hope of tipping someone over:

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[quote=KORN_lover_2007]FIRST had it's shot on ESPN years ago.
I doubt they'll be back.
Don't want to take away from that lucrative Texas Hold Em coverage you know. :rolleyes:

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[quote=Koko Ed]By years, Ed means like Manchester-era FIRST. (The coverage I saw at Dean's house last year was of Tower Power, back in 1994.)

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this game looks awesome but the diversity in robots will probably fall because most of them will have a gun and hopper of some sort and all the guns will work the same

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i personally believe that the game is only as good as you make it. yeah, it will be total chaos, but isn't that the fun of it?

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Hmmmm..what's "better" about this year's game (than 2004 Triple Play with tetras)....

last year was my first year as mentor in FIRST. Here's what I see as the big plusses to this year's game

1) Multi-level playing field. Robots that climb are much more like the real world
2) Lots of "stuff" in the playing field. There could be 50 or more loose balls on the field, a big plus for "hunting & gathering" unlike the mess left behind by tetras last year.
3) Lots more inter-team action "behind the scene" as human players, coaches and drivers can all get involved in harvesting balls.
4) More dependence on bots that be BOTH offensive and defensive. Not just crash boxes..grrr. We'll also have to carefully watch the 5-sec grace period to get behind the lines in periods #2 and #3
5) More emphasis on software and vision system. that's the wave of technology!
6) Much easier for the audience to "get it" in the game scoring
7) Much more need to think out the "dodgeball" game strategy...shoot first or gather first and shoot later on....hmmm.

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"I think the most of the scoring will be in the auto mode. then it we be defence"

I would disagree, but we'll see. There may be some significant advantages to abandoning defense in say the last 20 seconds to prepare for offense. This will help because of the "fast break" you can get. Also, since you receive ranking points for doing this, that's good :yikes: .

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It is definitely different. It would appear to be quite confuseing. I think it will be an interesting challenge though. What you might think of doing is having a couple of people on your team start to make game plans just in case another team doesn't have an idea of what they are going to try to do.

Stay cool have fun.

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yep. it may be that i'm a pessimist, but i get the feeling that this won't end well. Mostly because the robots of before could only cause choas within its reach. These ones have the potential to harm the crowds if things get out of control

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I wonder how many teams will have really good working ball launching robots. We just tested ours and it went like 1 foot. I dont think were posting the video.

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If the robot goes out of control and attempts or gets close to harming the crowds, i think we would be able to shut the robots off.

when it comes to this year's game, i think everyone has their own opinions on each game. for example, people who thought of using mecanum wheels loved last years game because it gave them an advantage to be able to move around easier. this year, some other teams may like this game better than last years because they thought of a great way to create more traction over the summer or something. :D

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At kickoff last year, I was not impressed. Tic-tack-toe. However, once we started developing the robot and discussing strategy, I saw the the game as more than a simple tic-tack-toe game.

For me, it's too early to tell.