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jpyro 02-02-2006 08:13 PM

3 point shots
 
How many teams are going to shoot for the center goal?? How man teams are going for the one point and defencive bots???

Cody Carey 02-02-2006 09:04 PM

Re: 3 point shots
 
We are (hopefully) going to do both.

As of now, we have a functional 1 point mechanism and are well on our way to the 3-pointer. PLus, We have a pretty dang solid defensive base.

AmyPrib 02-02-2006 09:06 PM

Re: 3 point shots
 
Here's a related thread, discussing what they are shooting for, and in some cases, from what distance.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=42200

TimCraig 02-03-2006 01:40 AM

Re: 3 point shots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jpyro
How many teams are going to shoot for the center goal?? How man teams are going for the one point and defencive bots???

Our primary goal is for the center (3 point) goal and if we have time to implement it, we're going to add functionality to go for the corner goals as well.

sanddrag 02-03-2006 02:50 AM

Re: 3 point shots
 
We are doing everything. If we ever get it built.

Donut 02-03-2006 08:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sanddrag
We are doing everything. If we ever get it built.

Same here. Our team has had a better understanding of everything and better ideas than in the past (almost no part of the robot has changed since week 1 in design, with the exception of the control board). However, we are having difficulty in getting everything finished and put together (alot of parts of things not completely done).

nuggetsyl 02-03-2006 10:46 AM

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I think 90% of the teams will go for 3 points 20% will always get them in the other 80% will get between 80-30% in. I see problems with teams that can always make 3 pointers not getting ball because there teams mates want to shoot to. Like basketball. But it is all part of the fun of the game.

shaun

ForgottenSalad 02-03-2006 10:50 AM

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Same as sanddrag and donut. We are pretty much trying for all three tactics, and though we've got plenty of prototypes, we still don't have anything as far as the final robot built... Hopefully we'll have a drivetrain soon though. As per the usual, defense won't be a problem with a high tourqe drivetrain and a base like a tank.

Billfred 02-03-2006 10:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nuggetsyl
I think 90% of the teams will go for 3 points 20% will always get them in the other 80% will get between 80-30% in. I see problems with teams that can always make 3 pointers not getting ball because there teams mates want to shoot to. Like basketball. But it is all part of the fun of the game.

shaun

I'm not so sure about the last part. If my alliance partner can shoot threes more reliably than I can, you know whose robot I'm going to tell my human player to load? The alliance partner's.

It goes back to what Dave said last year--you can be legal and graciously professional, but still dumb. Play smart.

bbehnke 02-03-2006 10:59 AM

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our team is hoping to find a way to go for both the center (3 points) and side goals (1 point) but so far we only have an idea of getting the side goals.

Freddy Schurr 02-03-2006 11:48 AM

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We are going for all the scoring areas, that how we roll. Unless I think so!

jpyro 02-03-2006 06:48 PM

Re: 3 point shots
 
Good luck

Donut 02-03-2006 11:02 PM

Re: 3 point shots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nuggetsyl
I think 90% of the teams will go for 3 points 20% will always get them in the other 80% will get between 80-30% in. I see problems with teams that can always make 3 pointers not getting ball because there teams mates want to shoot to. Like basketball. But it is all part of the fun of the game.

shaun

20% will always get them in? I don't think any team will be able to shoot above 85% accuracy. Whether it be a miscalculation by the robot, a driver firing too early/late, or an opposing robot interferring, there will be something that causes every team to miss some of there shots.

Henry_Mareck 02-04-2006 04:51 PM

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I think teams that go for everything will have weight and time issues. How much of a problem these problems will be depend on what drivetrain you go with. (omni/holonomic vs. tank/4/6wd)
going for everything includes a 5 ft release, in my opinion, as well as a capacity of 10+ balls.

MattB703 02-04-2006 09:45 PM

Re: 3 point shots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Donut
...I don't think any team will be able to shoot above 85% accuracy. ...

Are you sure about that? I think it would depend on where they shoot from. A team that drives up onto the platform and lobs balls into the goal may be able to easily beat 85%.

Donut 02-05-2006 12:56 AM

Re: 3 point shots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MattB703
Are you sure about that? I think it would depend on where they shoot from. A team that drives up onto the platform and lobs balls into the goal may be able to easily beat 85%.

Okay, that might be true, but only for a few matches. If any team gets their code, drivers, and mechanics working to such a good state where they can hit 85% or 90%+, the opposing alliances will likely tag a robot to run into them as much as possible during the match. This does leave partners open to score though, but it will hinder the uber-shooter's accuracy.

Richsgt 02-05-2006 03:24 PM

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I even think 85% will be a little generous, more like 75% just because adjusting for being pushed from a side or getting hit, any robot shooting from near the top of the robot(those which probably will have more accuracy in my belief) will have the balls travel up towards the top in some way 'probably' causing their flight to change. Then again we're not done yet so i can't say

agndoggieboi 02-05-2006 03:40 PM

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hopefully that our "Robot" will shoot for the center goal and be defensive as well. that is if everything goes as plan...(panicing) :o

DBiehl 02-06-2006 03:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Richsgt
I even think 85% will be a little generous, more like 75% just because adjusting for being pushed from a side or getting hit, any robot shooting from near the top of the robot(those which probably will have more accuracy in my belief) will have the balls travel up towards the top in some way 'probably' causing their flight to change. Then again we're not done yet so i can't say

If they're shooting from anywhere below the top of their robot, it wouldn't be impossible to block

Andrew Blair 02-06-2006 03:45 PM

Re: 3 point shots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Donut
I don't think any team will be able to shoot above 85% accuracy.


*Someone* will average far higher than this, very reliably. Thats why they become the winners! It never fails, someone is always very good at the game, every year. Who will do it? Who knows...

Jared Russell 02-06-2006 05:02 PM

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Our preliminary tests indicate that the figures being tossed about here are far from impossible.

If anything, balls bouncing out was a bigger problem than missing the hole.

pyroslev 02-06-2006 05:04 PM

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If I had a nickel for every bounced ball instead of misses, I could fill up the tank on an ORIGINAL Hummer.

Donut 02-07-2006 08:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Abwehr
Our preliminary tests indicate that the figures being tossed about here are far from impossible.

If anything, balls bouncing out was a bigger problem than missing the hole.

Is this true in a competition-like atmosphere? As is true every year, a robot driving around on the field being hit by other robots has more difficulty scoring. I'm wondering how much accuracy teams will have once they start getting run into while they're shooting, pushed against walls, etc.

Marcel 02-07-2006 08:13 PM

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Well when we were designing our robot and getting ideas and such. We came up with a few guidelines we wanted the robot to go by. Such as we want an autonomous mode (of course). We wanted to harvest balls and shoot them to higher goals and lower goals if possible. Well once we finally ended with an idea we decided to build from the ground up. Meaning we start with the chassis and then the harvester, and the transmission, and once we get to the top than we would work with the shooter. Well by the time we got to the top of the robot. We weighed it and it was about 90 lbs meaning not enough weight to put the shooter and whatnot. So yea we started with the idea that we wanted the shooter and ended up with something else completely different.

Jimbo5051 02-07-2006 08:33 PM

Re: 3 point shots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jpyro
How many teams are going to shoot for the center goal?? How man teams are going for the one point and defencive bots???

It depends on how good your shooter mech. is and your targeted points.


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