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Ben Mitchell 10-05-2002 18:13

Engineering slogans
 
Ok...I just thought this up:

On my team, we have the saying "righty-tighty, lefty-loosy" to teach the kiddies which way to turn the screwdriver. (if only they'd remember:rolleyes: )


Does your team have any funny/useful slogans for remembering technical/engineering things?:D

Jan Olligs 10-05-2002 18:21

I know that one, it doesn't really help me, though; I always have to remember that "right" really means "clockwise"...
Of course we have "KISS" (Keep it simple, stupid) and "MISS" (Make it square, ...) and there is Murphy's Law, that I like to quote, in all its variations...

Jim Giacchi 10-05-2002 18:34

If it doesn't fit get a larger hammer.

Seriously though one year the head engineer actually gave out certificates that proved we were all members of the "Cold Forging" club.

Clark Gilbert 10-05-2002 18:54

Smaller
 
If u are making something with a tool that is not quite percise always make things smaller (especially holes)....I always say this to myself when i'm making something....maybe cut a little big so u can sand it down to the exact size, because if u make it to big you cant go back, but if u make it small you have room for error...
:)

PsychoPhil 10-05-2002 20:06

my two cents only...
 
I saw some team at the nationals that I thought had a really cool engineering slogan:



"Some people say the galss is half full.

Some people say the glass is half empty.

We say the glass is twice as big as it needs to be."



I love that one...


I'm bored guys, so someone open an interesting post that I can read and post in and so on, pleeeeeeease ;-)

mpking 10-05-2002 20:31

"Where's my BFH"?

My own personal saying, not related to the team.

purplehaze357 10-05-2002 21:05

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Giacchi
If it doesn't fit get a larger hammer.


the hammer is the engineers ultimate tool

GregT 10-05-2002 21:13

For some reason (I'm sure you can guess) my team took to calling hammers "fine adjustment tools". If you were to talk by our pit at nats you would hear us saying we needed to make a few fine adjustments, and be handed a hammer.

If it doesn't fit wack it really hard... that cost my team 4 hours waiting for the machine shop :) when it's supposed to be a sliding fit, a hammer is not necessary.

That said, we labled our robot front and back. We spent 90% of our time at nats broken, and 60 - 70% of that time at the top of the white devision. At NYC we left our shielding all over the field our first practice. at nats we left a chain on the field.

"If it aint broken don't fix it. If it is broken it won't be alone for long."

"Warentee Void if broken"

I use that glass saying almost every other day, love it.

DanLevin247 10-05-2002 23:16

"beat to fit.....paint to match"

Melissa Nute 10-05-2002 23:23

Um
'Beware of the Killing Machine' aka the Milling Machine....when a bit breaks off of that...its deadly.....

Steve Prairie 10-05-2002 23:26

...If it ain't broken don't fix it...

Al Skierkiewicz 11-05-2002 10:54

My personal favorites...
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Measure twice, cut once. (I cut it twice and it is still too short!?)
Get the persuader. (Hammer reference)
The right tool for the right job. (Don't use a cannon to kill a fly!)
All time best Murphy's Law...Murphy's fifth law, the law of selective gravitation...
A dropped tool will fall where it will do the most damage.

Team favorites...
We'll fix it in software.
Have fun.

Digo 11-05-2002 13:47

"Righty-tighty, lefty-loosy" and "the right tool for the right job" were introduced in our team by our mentor in 2000 (great Phil!!), but I guess this last one wasn't very accepted.

Once in 2000 we were trying to remove a lock nut from a screw, and it was the kind of lock nut with rubber, made not to be easily removed. The kids (me included at that time) tried to do that with about 12 or 13 different tools! A guy even brought a soldering iron (trying to melt the rubber). And then Phil came with a screw driver (!) and did it.

I didn't know hammers were so popular in other teams as well! There's nothing that a hammer and some cable ties won't solve.

Andrew Rudolph 11-05-2002 13:59

hehe for us we arent hamer people, we are vice grip people. but our saying is "thats the C.E. in R.A.C.E.!" basically anytime we need to creatively engineer anything we say that when we are done. basically when we need to ghetto rig things fast




andrew

Digo 11-05-2002 16:15

do you mind sharing the meaning of that? :D

Quote:

Originally posted by Andrew Rudolph
hehe for us we arent hamer people, we are vice grip people. but our saying is "thats the C.E. in R.A.C.E.!" basically anytime we need to creatively engineer anything we say that when we are done. basically when we need to ghetto rig things fast




andrew


Andrew Rudolph 11-05-2002 16:29

Well our team name is R.A.C.E. Which Stands for Robotics And Creative Engineering. Creative engeering for us is when you kinda fib a fix to somthing, or get the job done with sub par materials. We used to call it engineering problem solving. But now its creative engineering. and that is what is meant by "thats the C.E. in RACE!"



Andrew

Gui Cavalcanti 11-05-2002 23:40

The Mech Techs are a big fan of "Measure once, cut twice." Our electrocube was supposed to be 4 in x 10 in x 10 in... it's currently 6 in x 12 in x 12 in and we barely fit everything in. We actually have a "top 10" list of engineering slogans on the back of our team shirts:

If at FIRST you don't succeed...
...use more velcro
...recharge the batteries
...bolt it down tighter
...blame programming (booo... hisssss)
...two words: more power
...try weight loss by DeWalt
...screw it in the OTHER way
(The last three are not engineering related)

Amy Beth 12-05-2002 00:04

our engineers favorite, though they won't admit it:

"If it ain't broke...fix it till it is!!"

Seriously, after about five weeks of them messing, the students wanted to institute a "hands off" policy to keep them from ruining it. Oh well.

DanLevin247 12-05-2002 00:28

Well...another one of ours should be...."Think before you do". This year, while putting come connectors into the aluminum of the base of our robot, come of the kids realized that a major part of the robot had been put on upsidedown, and backwards.

mpking 12-05-2002 00:48

Really Awesome Creative Engineering?

That's just a guess

Andrew Rudolph 12-05-2002 19:11

Quote:

Really Awesome Creative Engineering?
Robotics And Creative Engineering

DaBruteForceGuy 12-05-2002 19:23

I THINK THIS GOES WITHOUT SAYING!
 
I THINK MY NAME SHOULD SPEAK FOR ITSELF ON THIS SUBJECT!

For 6 straight weeks i was anchored down trying to advance on the teachings of the area's of BRUTEFORCE with everybody in my group.
so we havn't mad the motto but these come to mind....

-NO DON'T CUT THAT WIRE TIE!
-HER, LEMME TRY...... OK 4GET IT, CUT IT OFF!
-It's great, now DRILL A WHOLE IN IT!

and the occasional MATT FOLEY speach to keep everyone in line.

Dan 550 13-05-2002 00:11

Bits some Canadiens might appreciate...
 
Red Green is the ultimate engineer. I always use the handyman's secret weapon, duct tape, as my primary fastener, at least as a pre-fastener. And if it ain't broke, you're not tryin. Quando Omni Flaunkus Moratati.


Jim 13-05-2002 06:43

You missed Red's best saying:

"If the women don't find you handsome, they ought to at least find you handy"

(I heard someone get high and mighty about watching only public television because it is culterally enriching. So I asked, "Oh, you mean like 'Red Green'?")

The glass being twice as large as it needs to be is a good one.

Our team was MARGE (Mukwango Area Robotics Generate Excitement)

Not really an engineering saying, but one that I saw on a site for home builders and remodelers, "That's not a mistake, it's 'Rustic'."

And, of course, "I cut it twice and it's still too short."

Brian C 13-05-2002 12:45

Actually I've seen a few different sayings over the years when it come to engineering.

Mechanical:

A person really only needs 2 tools: Duct Tape and WD40.....If it doesn't move - spray it and if it moves - Tape it!

And the ever popular

"If it don't fit - force it and if it breaks it needed to be replaced anyway!


Software:

That's not a bug....it's a feature!

Mike Schroeder 13-05-2002 13:17

I got one


:cool: "If it's broken solder it if its not broken solder it anyway"


The kid that thought that up liked solder alot.!:D

Andy A. 13-05-2002 14:53

"The belt sander is your friend"

"Friends don't let friends use setscrews"

On the subject of pnematics:

Team member 1 "I think we bet the piston in that last match and we're leaking out of the compressor valve"
Team member 2 "Find me a hammer and a vice"

On the subject of intricate drive train parts:

Team member 1 "Whats the dimesion tolerence on this part?"
Team member 2 "oh, about 1/4 of an inch or so, just use your thumbnail instead of those pesky mics"

-Andy A.

Edit: spelling, grammer

Jnadke 13-05-2002 15:56

Our physics teacher has this sign hanging in his room:

What's black, sticky, and holds the universe together?
Duct Tape.

DanLevin247 13-05-2002 22:11

"sharp things hurt"


"pee before you drill"

"sleep before you saw"

"swear before you cry"

Katie Reynolds 13-05-2002 23:14

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
"That's not a flaw - it's a feature"

Oh and Jeremy - the saying in Basler's room is "what's dark on one side, light on the other and holds the universe together? Duct tape!" - I'm telling Basler you got it wrong! :D

- Katie

Jim Giacchi 14-05-2002 08:09

In 2000 we built the robot that lowered a scissorjack to raise itself up and then could strafe side to side on the ramp to block opponents. The scissorjack was lowered by a screw being driven by the van-door motor. The plastic nut provided by Small parts to fit the screw was no strong and one of the seniors descided to retract the jack to far and crushed the nut the first time we tested it. After he realized he crushed the nut he asked what the problem was because he had done us a favor. Lets just say he did us a lot of "favors" that year.

Jim Meyer 14-05-2002 14:25

Measure it with a micrometer, mark it with chalk, and cut it with an axe.

This is not an exact science.

Ian Mackenzie 15-05-2002 20:55

If you're going to do it, do it right.
Simple may win.
Ugly may win. (But not if it's "uglier than Warren's brother".)
Don't build to tolerance!

I'm not so sure about the half-full glass...I mean, you could argue that the top half of the glass is wasted material but you could also argue that the extra space provides you with a nice margin of error and safety factor (allows more water to be added, and makes it less likely to spill the water already present).

-Ian Mackenzie
Woburn Robotics
http://www.team188.com

Jnadke 16-05-2002 13:57

Quote:

Originally posted by Katie_93
Oh and Jeremy - the saying in Basler's room is "what's dark on one side, light on the other and holds the universe together? Duct tape!" - I'm telling Basler you got it wrong! :D

- Katie

Nice try, but you have it wrong too...

"Duct tape is like the Force - it has a dark side and a light side and it holds the universe together."

-Jeremy :D

ReijiH 16-05-2002 14:02

Our team's official slogan from last year;

"Measure once, cut three times, and go buy another peice."

And there are some Murphy's Law of Engineering....

You will never find tools you are looking for;
you will always find them when you are done with work and about to head home.

You will look all over the place for the parts or tool you saw few second ago;
you will, however, never notice that it's sitting right under your butt.

You try to "field fix" a broken parts;
it will take you a whole day to realise that you should've just went to the machine shop.

When everything is going all right, people will complement you;
it only means that something will awfully go wrong the next moment.

It often takes a entire crew of engineers to figure a fancy way to solve a problem;
it often takes one infant to come in to his daddy's room to point out a really obious (and much more sophisticated) solution.

Also, my signature...(Not exactly a slogan tho:p)

Al Skierkiewicz 16-05-2002 15:24

Let us not forget that the missing tool is always in the last place you look.

PsychoPhil 16-05-2002 21:23

you're all great!
 
I just read the new posts in this thread and I have to admit:

You guys totally made my day and cracked me up, thx...

Keep in touch guys, so long, Phil

mpking 16-05-2002 22:57

Quote:

Originally posted by Al Skierkiewicz
Let us not forget that the missing tool is always in the last place you look.
Actually, nobody every finishes the quote.


The Missing tool is always in the last place you look, because you stop looking when you find it.

mpking 17-05-2002 08:35

If a tool is missing, and no one ever looks for it, is it lost?




---------------------------------------------------------------------------


BTW - I posted this after the message below me, so it's a response to the

"Why would you keep looking post"


____________________________________________

People in auto repair know this one:

This bolt won't come out, someone hand me the BlueWrench!

Al Skierkiewicz 17-05-2002 08:44

Which implies..."Why would you keep looking?!?"

Greg Ross 18-05-2002 01:23

Quote:

Originally posted by mpking


People in auto repair know this one:

This bolt won't come out, someone hand me the BlueWrench!

I'm not in auto repair. I would appreciate an explanation. Does this have something to do with "blue" language?

Jim 18-05-2002 07:23

blue wrench is the torch

mpking 18-05-2002 13:03

Quote:

Originally posted by gwross

I'm not in auto repair. I would appreciate an explanation. Does this have something to do with "blue" language?

You've got a stuck or rusted bolt and nut.

Take a Torch, and heat it up. Then let it cool.

The expansion of the metals (Nut and bolt) forces the nut to become slightly larger, allowing greater ease in removing the formally stuck bolt, when they cool, because the bolt will contract to it's (almost) orginal size.

This is where experiance comes into play, as I said, I've never done it, so I have not idea whether the bolt is usuable at this point, or if it's just junk.

This is usually used when removing exhaust systems, so all the hardware is easily replaceable.

DaBruteForceGuy 18-05-2002 16:40

ohhhhhhh, i got another!
 
"IN ORDER TO SUCCESSFULLY FINISH ANY TASK MULTIPLY IT 10X!!!"


Even when i do use this slogan i manage to get myeself into a rut i can't get out of!

Al Skierkiewicz 20-05-2002 07:19

To correct the earlier post so more people can get it.
"Hand me the blue tip wrench."
and yes, being part owner of a Merlin Muffler & Brake, I hear that a lot in the muffler business.
BTW most often the torch is used to just cut stuff away. Whenever possible, (On hardware outside) never reuse, always replace.

EIROBOTICS86 15-11-2002 23:08

if it aint broke fix it or if it dont fit get a bigger Hammer

kmcclary 16-11-2002 00:37

Old saying:
- "ALWAYS have a 'Plan B' in your back pocket..."

MY variant:

- "You always need a 'Plan B', AND enough time reserved to execute it!"

(This implies a known, FIXED deadline for Plan A's success, at which time you must start Plan B. If you have insufficient resources to do both in parallel, this implies a forced abandonment of Plan A.)

- Keith

Adam Y. 16-11-2002 14:12

Hear I go with my favorite sayings:
From battlebots and this is the truth: Set screws suck!!!:)
From my physics teacher: Close enough.
Funny about the hammers talk hear is what my engineer said last year: I don't want you hitting the frame anymore with a hammer unless you tell me.

pauluffel 16-11-2002 15:11

Our robot last had some, err...issues. Of course, the best way to fix this is hammers, and we had the perfect one to do this.

Ths hammer is about the length from the tip of your elbow to the end of your middle finger. Notice the curved handle? That"s generally a feature of axes because it allows for more force at the cost of accuracy. Perfect for robots...

RebAl 16-11-2002 17:56

red + black = fire

DaBruteForceGuy 16-11-2002 18:05

I've used hammers identicle to that on the job site. But i didn't think it was big enough:rolleyes:


- Hey, my slogen comes from the jobsite as well....*C TITLE*

RBrandy 16-11-2002 18:19

cut first, then measure

Gope 16-11-2002 18:58

Nasa
 
My personal favorite, which originated in Nasa

If it works then it dosen't have enough gadgets

Aaron Lussier 16-11-2002 19:00

I heard this my second year on the team:

" Look at the screw from the nuts perspective"

- Chris Carnavale

Mike Rush 17-11-2002 00:54

Quote
 
If precision does not work, use force.

Mike Rush 17-11-2002 00:59

And my all time favorite...
 
Engineering is the art of molding materials we do not entirely understand, into shapes we cannot really analyze, to withstand forces we cannot really assess, such that the public at large is unaware of the extent of our ignorance.

Anonymous:)

BaysianLogik 17-11-2002 09:58

We just have KISS

Adam Y. 17-11-2002 10:05

Hear is another one: Make sure the robot doesn't roll off the table.

pauluffel 17-11-2002 11:51

A couple of acronyms that aren"t really slogans, but are used alot during design...
When we"re drawing a potential design on one of the boards, we explain it to everyone as we"re drawing. This leads to some drawings that don"t look quite right, and are then headed be the ubiquitous NTS (not to scale.) Once someone finshes their picture, they finally stop to look at it and decide to also add the letters POS next to NTS.

P.S. We also write POS on most prototypes because it"s very fitting.

asher 18-11-2002 02:45

"for every complex system that fails there exists a simpler system that works"

my prof that i started with in FIRST painted this on a huge sign which now hangs in my lab, it will be with the 31ers forever

and as woodie told us all:

"set screws inhale audibly"

asher

ChrisH 18-11-2002 10:18

Re: And my all time favorite...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mike Rush
Engineering is the art of molding materials we do not entirely understand, into shapes we cannot really analyze, to withstand forces we cannot really assess, such that the public at large is unaware of the extent of our ignorance.

Anonymous:)


Which doesn't entirely fit with the "Stress Engineer's Motto":

When in Doubt
Make it Stout
From Something
You know About

I heard it from Bob Best, I have no clue where he got it from...

Adam Y. 18-11-2002 17:17

Quote:

"set screws inhale audibly"
lol He stole that from battlebots. :D This is quite odd but in physics class I managed to get a partially correct answer but doing to wrongs. You could say two wrongs sometimes make a right.

Mark Hamilton 18-11-2002 18:03

The "set screws inhale audibly" quote has been around longer then I've been in FIRST, and far longer then Battlebots has been around. It used to be quite common for robot's to break their hubs in the middle of a match, ussually do to set screws. The robots would sit on the feild with the motors full blast and going nowhere. I haven't seen this happen in quite awhile.

Adam Y. 18-11-2002 18:14

Quote:

The "set screws inhale audibly" quote has been around longer then I've been in FIRST, and far longer then Battlebots has been around. It used to be quite common for robot's to break their hubs in the middle of a match, ussually do to set screws. The robots would sit on the feild with the motors full blast and going nowhere. I haven't seen this happen in quite awhile.
Yeah but robot combat is as old as first is and I've always thought the person who created it was the creator of biohazard. Of course when you've got enough people who have the same problem with set screws they probably all say that set screws suck.

DanLevin247 18-11-2002 22:24

Quote:

Originally posted by GregT


That said, we labled our robot front and back. We spent 90% of our time at nats broken, and 60 - 70% of that time at the top of the white devision. At NYC we left our shielding all over the field our first practice. at nats we left a chain on the field.


For OCCRA, an off season robotics league, I had a little fun with our lable maker, labling such things as "band saw" "grinder" "floor" "window" "tom" "tools" and most importantly, "robot"

Matt Leese 18-11-2002 22:42

Quote:

Originally posted by wysiswyg

Yeah but robot combat is as old as first is and I've always thought the person who created it was the creator of biohazard. Of course when you've got enough people who have the same problem with set screws they probably all say that set screws suck.

Actually, FIRST is a year older than any robotic combat that I've ever heard about. The FIRST Robotics Competition was started in 1992. The British version of Robot Wars was started in 1993. Battlebots didn't start until 2000 (if I remember correctly; it could've been 1999). I've heard the "set screws inhale audibly" quote for quite awhile. I think it's fairly accurate to say that Woody thought it up as opposed to stealing it from Battlebots. It also is very much in Woody's style (inhale audibly as opposed to suck). My bet is that Woody came up with it on his own.

Matt

Stephanie 19-11-2002 00:59

"the persuader"
"if it doesn't fit, use the persuader. if it breaks, it needed to be fixed anyway"
"noooooo....i cut it twice and it's *still* too short!"

rbayer 19-11-2002 01:47

"I can't program a limit switch if I don't have a freaking limit switch"

"It's hard to wire a robot without wire"

"Being awake for 42 hours only makes power tools more fun!"

"If that could break it, it needed fixing anyway" (after I stressed-tessed our scissor lift and snapped the main support in half).

"Software can't grind out a gearbox!"

"Just guess"

"So the weapons go through the treads, right?"

"Umm... is it supposed to only be able to turn?"

"Close enough"

Jeff Waegelin 19-11-2002 09:27

"The hardest part about building the robot is figuring out what to build"

"Hmmm... it looks BETTER crooked"

"The wrong way is the right way" (in reference to previous quote)

I'll think of some more...

Katie Reynolds 19-11-2002 09:30

Quote:

Originally posted by rbayer
"If that could break it, it needed fixing anyway" (after I stressed-tessed our scissor lift and snapped the main support in half).

"Software can't grind out a gearbox!"

Hahahaha! Very nice :D

- Katie

kmcclary 19-11-2002 12:46

Quote:

Originally posted by Matt Leese

Actually, FIRST is a year older than any robotic combat that I've ever heard about. The FIRST Robotics Competition was started in 1992. The British version of Robot Wars was started in 1993. Battlebots didn't start until 2000 (if I remember correctly; it could've been 1999). I've heard the "set screws inhale audibly" quote for quite awhile. I think it's fairly accurate to say that Woody thought it up as opposed to stealing it from Battlebots. It also is very much in Woody's style (inhale audibly as opposed to suck). My bet is that Woody came up with it on his own.

Matt

Actually, Robot Wars UK was mid 1997.

Robot Wars was conceived in 1992 by Marc Thorpe. For money he partnered with Profile Records for cash, and the first game was in the **US**, in 1994. You can read his version of the story at:
- http://www.marcthorpe.com/robot.html
However, due to a settlement with his old partners, it doesn't tell the WHOLE story...

According to the online histories (many of which are now severely edited), many people felt, Profile "stole it from him". The combatants supported Marc and boycotted Profile's events. Profile then took it to the UK in 1997, and invited US competitors to come THERE. (I actually received an invitation myself back then to make one for Profile. No way.) Everyone in the US still said "no". Profile then ran it with UK participants. Lawsuits happened both ways, to block Marc from starting a second contest, and to sue Profile for royalties. VERY messy.

Marc was driven to bankruptcy... Eventually the lawsuits were finished, and Marc moved on, but is no longer involved with Robot Wars. He FINALLY became free of all of the litigation THIS YEAR, so we may soon see more of Marc's concepts.

Here's a more complete timeline for Robot Wars, BattleBots, Robotica, Bot Bash, etc...:
- http://www.robotcombat.com/history.html
It is a FASCINATING read...

It would be nice to see the FIRST contest included, but this history is "geared" ;) more toward the "mayhem/gladiator" variety of robotic battle.

The original FIRST game was in 1992 with Maize Craze:
- http://www.usfirst.org/robotics/abr_art1.htm

BTW... They've removed the rules for all the old games. If anyone has a URL of archives of the old FIRST games and rules, please email me directly with it. Thanks!

Bottom line: FIRST can claim actual contests before both Robot Wars and BattleBots.

Now as to FIRST history, FIRST is NOT the original "robotics contest". Woodie Flowers was working at MIT and created the MIT 2.70 "Introduction to Design" class and contest, which involved robotic battle back in the 1980's. I believe it was a 12 or 15 week class. In 1987 Michael B. Parker at MIT made MIT 6.270, "the six week answer" to the 2.70 class.
- http://web.mit.edu/6.270/www/about/history.html
MIT 2.70 evolved into other classes around 1997, while MIT 6.270 is still around. The design for the Lego Mindstorm RCX brick comes from that series of classes! Other Universities have since copied the format.

I think of FIRST as the MUCH larger "industrial version" ;) of the 6.270 class. Automotive scale, vs LEGO scale... I'm let to believe Woodie and Dean got together and jointly conceived this contest around 1990 or so, but don't have the documentation on that just yet.

Any way you look at it though, this type of robot contest significantly predates the gladiator types.

- Keith

Melancholy 19-11-2002 13:58

Not quite engineering, and not quite a slogan, but my Computer Science teacher said this on the first day of class.

"The purpose of commenting is that if you get fired, or hit by a bus, someone else can finish your program!"

:eek:

Neal Probert 19-11-2002 15:29

More slogans
 
"We'll be back"

Next year.

"Today is a good day to die"

Your last event of the season and you're going all out, finally. #%#%#%#% the batteries, #%#%#%#% the motors, ahead full ramming speed!

"But I just fixed it!"

It broke again, again and again. Even after testing, but it won't work right in competition.

"I'd rather have a bot in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."

I plagiarized that one ;)

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

I'd rather have a ugly robot that worked really well, than a beautiful bot that couldn't do diddly squat. Has anybody got a beautiful bot that worked really good?

"What you see is what you get."

I've had to work with somebody else's ugly code, not a fun thing to do. If you work for me and don't produce clean, modular code easy to read with comments as required, you'll be fired.

kmcclary 19-11-2002 15:43

Quote:

Originally posted by Melancholy
Not quite engineering, and not quite a slogan, but my Computer Science teacher said this on the first day of class.

"The purpose of commenting is that if you get fired, or hit by a bus, someone else can finish your program!"

:eek:

Actually that's not quite true... Try this version:

"The purpose of documentation is so that you know what the heck you were thinking when you are forced pick it up again a year or more later to either fix or upgrade it!"

Trust me, in industry if you aren't meticulous in your commenting, it can come back to haunt you, sometimes years later.

It's more than slightly embarrassing to be staring at your own design two years later trying to get to where your own head was at 3 AM that fateful "night before deadline" when you, cranked up on caffeine and desperately trying to get the darn thing out the door had some epiphany of insight. You can even remember thinking "Oh heck, this is really cool, non-obvious, it works, and (fateful last words) I'll just get around to documenting it sometime next week when I have "more time"... :)

The only thing worse is having your boss standing by your side waiting for your explanation of the design during this entire process... :D

SO...

"Document it like you know you're going to die next week, yet still care about it surviving."

Or, another point of view:

"Design and document it so OTHERS can understand it later, or you'll be passed over for promotion because now you're the ONLY person in the company ABLE to maintain it."

- Keith

evulish 19-11-2002 16:40

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools"
- Douglas Adams

That's one of my favorite Douglas Adams quotes. And boy...does that relate to our team :D

Ryan Foley 19-11-2002 17:35

I saw this in a post on another forum
when building a robot:
"cheap fast or good, pick 2"

"Better is the enemy of good enough" (it it works fine, dont try to make it better)

"90% of the work is done by 10% of the team"
-Alan Troshan, team 522 machinist

"It aint broke, it just lacks duct tape"
-Jim and Tim, Duct Tape Pros

From Timberlane Team meetings:
"That PVC goal pip is NOT a lightsaber"

"No you are NOT a jedi"

"It aint broke, it just lacks duct tape"
-Jim and Tim, Duct Tape Pros

mpking 19-11-2002 21:07

Quote:

Originally posted by kmcclary

It's more than slightly embarrassing to be staring at your own design two years later trying to get to where your own head was at 3 AM that fateful "night before deadline" when you, cranked up on caffeine and desperately trying to get the darn thing out the door had some epiphany of insight. You can even remember thinking "Oh heck, this is really cool, non-obvious, it works, and (fateful last words) I'll just get around to documenting it sometime next week when I have "more time"... :)- Keith

Been there....... Done that.......
Trust me. You don't want to be in that situation.

And it hasn't happen to me, but I have witnessed the "Your too vital at what you do" to be promoted fallout.

How about we amend it to:

"Comment just because you don't want to be the guy working on the code. You want to be the guy developing new exciting projects, not changing exisiting code.

Dan 550 19-11-2002 21:29

No, You CAN NOT HOLD THE STICK BACKWARDS! It won't work right. I don't care what you think feels good. You'll forget which way is forward, let alone left and right! The program isn't going to be completely redone just because you think that way feels good. They're ergonomically designed, for crying out loud! Are your hands on backwards? NO! Then don't hold the stick backwards. And wear your glasses, we can't afford another bit like when Dave neglected to tell us that he was blind.

-Conversation between me and Jay, our driver for the day, as to why I wasn't going to have Steve, our programmer, program the robot again with "reverse left-right one stick aircraft-style drive" just so Jay could feel better.

kmcclary 19-11-2002 23:02

You got it...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mpking
How about we amend it to:

"Comment just because you don't want to be the guy working on the code. You want to be the guy developing new exciting projects, not changing existing code.

You've got it exactly!

I know I don't want to be the one forced to hang around in "maintenance mode" when a new project challenge shows up at the office and it's up for grabs.

My secret: I comment the heck out of everything I do just so any junior member can take charge of it, freeing me for better things. :) The ones that "program for job security" are the ones that end up never getting a promotion. but hey, they got what they wanted! :D

My quote:

"Anyone that programs for job security may suddenly find they got their wish... at the expense of advancement..."

- Keith

Mark Pierce 20-11-2002 13:09

Quote:

Originally posted by Melancholy
Not quite engineering, and not quite a slogan, but my Computer Science teacher said this on the first day of class.

"The purpose of commenting is that if you get fired, or hit by a bus, someone else can finish your program!"

I can really appreciate the comments on this by Kieth and Mike.

As a software engineer for over 20 years, I think I'm safe in saying that this is an engineering slogan. Variations on this slogan have been around since the early days of computing. I suspect that even Charles Babbage, and certainly those working with him or studying his work, uttered similar words. The refinements presented here are great!

chellyzee93 20-11-2002 16:50

I didn't make it do THAT! D:

Greg Ross 20-11-2002 17:27

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Pierce

quote:
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Originally posted by Melancholy
Not quite engineering, and not quite a slogan, but my Computer Science teacher said this on the first day of class.

"The purpose of commenting is that if you get fired, or hit by a bus, someone else can finish your program!"

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I can really appreciate the comments on this by Kieth and Mike.

As a software engineer for over 20 years, I think I'm safe in saying that this is an engineering slogan. Variations on this slogan have been around since the early days of computing. I suspect that even Charles Babbage, and certainly those working with him or studying his work, uttered similar words. The refinements presented here are great!

And don't believe the old myth that you can ensure your job security by making your code as unintelligible as possible (by not commenting, etc.)

EStokely 20-11-2002 19:40

Among the favorites that we used in the build cycle

"If it was easy, I would have done it" (Usually used when directing a student towards a project that has no clear answer yet)

"Its OK, if you mess it up you just get to do it again"

"We'll fix that in programming"

"Sissor lifts suck"

And from my first year in this..

"why did they give us all these bearings?"



Hope everyone is raising enough money.
later

kmcclary 20-11-2002 22:00

When considering adding another motor
 
Oh yeah, I almost forgot... Last year, people kept suggesting adding more motors, actuators, or complex mechanisms simply to make things go down. I kept chanting this over and over in response until the students finally started finishing the phrase with me:

"Remember: Gravity is your friend... USE it.."

:D

- Keith

RBrandy 20-11-2002 22:32

We didnt break it... We modified it.

Katie Reynolds 20-11-2002 22:59

Quote:

Originally posted by RBrandy
We didnt break it... We modified it.
Haha, that and:

"It's not a flaw ... it's a design feature!"

- Katie

EricS-Team180 20-11-2002 23:08

...Never time to do it right, but always time to do it over ...

dk5sm5luigi 21-11-2002 00:34

Here are a couple of quotes that my old team used to use back in 1997 when we had an Engineer (who helped us on his free time and was our only engineer) was on the team. He had these quotes:

"It is better to look Good than to be Good"
and
"It came to me in a stroke of mediocrity"
-Grant McStay

The team slogan also became "It's all Grant's fault" but that was mostly a team joke.

chellyzee93 21-11-2002 10:07

It doesn't matter, we'll work that out later

Tyler Olds 21-11-2002 10:21

:)
 
"If it aint broke, don't fix it" and just to add a yupper (sp) touch, you cna always end the sentence with an "eh?"

Al Skierkiewicz 21-11-2002 10:49

Tyler,
Unfortunately, only those of us in the upper midwest or Canada know the significance of you reference,eh?

Gary Dillard 21-11-2002 13:03

In a pinch, any tool is a hammer.

In technical documentation, the term for beat it with a hammer is "gently mallotize"

Justification for an Engineering Cost Estimate - PDOOMA.

Warren Boudreau 21-11-2002 13:33

I shudder to think what PDOOMA means.

Personally, my favorite has always been "Lefty Loosey, Righty Tighty."

Katie Reynolds 21-11-2002 13:46

Re: :)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Team93FIRST
"If it aint broke, don't fix it" and just to add a yupper (sp) touch, you cna always end the sentence with an "eh?"
Tyler ... Newhouse ;)

Oh, and there are always the 7 P's

Prior
Proper
Planning
Prevents
Pretty
Poor
Performance

:D

- Katie

kmcclary 21-11-2002 14:09

Quote:

Justification for an Engineering Cost Estimate - PDOOMA.
<chuckle> Around here, we call those "Brown Numbers" or a "SWAG". :) The Engineering quotes most often heard here on that subject are:

- "It's a Brown Number..."

- "I generated that answer using PDOOMA numerical data methods."

The latter of course sounds impressive. What always amazes me is half the time people simply nod wisely and go on, accepting that as a "scientific reason", because they can't admit they've never heard of "PDOOMA Methodology"... :)

However, if they do ask what "PDOOMA" means, you then get to define it with a straight face and enjoy their reaction... :D

For those that don't catch it, check at either http://www.acronymsearch.com or http://www.acronymfinder.com.

IMO, both acronym sites, along with http://yourdictionary.com are all "must haves" in a good set of "Reference" bookmarks.

- Keith

Dave_222 21-11-2002 14:17

you only realy ever need 2 things in your tool box, a hammer to seperate things that shouldnt be together and duct tape to put things together that shouldnt be appart.

kmcclary 21-11-2002 14:27

"For years I dreamed of becoming an Engineer, and now I are one..."

Al Skierkiewicz 21-11-2002 15:09

Keith,
Our version of that is "All my life I couldn't even spell eng-a-near, now I are one!" Good one, I had almost forgotten.

DaBruteForceGuy 21-11-2002 18:12

"All an enjineer really needs is his hands.. for it is ones hands that that are the tools of the brain"

and anyway,
it is ones hands that fabricate ones tools anyway...

Tyler Olds 21-11-2002 20:42

catagorizing
 
Here is a way to order your files..... (this might be a little bit off)

1.First one
2. New one
3. Newer one
4. Newest one
5. The new newest one
6. The coolest new one
7. The cooler one
8. The one where you are at the point that you are sick of giving it names
9. Fricken a!
10. Gosh Golly darn dang eh?


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