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Sam Lipscomb 09-02-2006 10:53

Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Team 176 is hosting the annual Winter War Zone (UTC Scrimmage) on February 18, from 9:00-4:00 in Suffield, CT. Team 230 will be webcasting this event. :)

Could all teams attending the scrimmage please reply here? I'm trying to form a list since I couldn't find one on 176's site...

More information here: http://nefirst.org/community/teams/176ScrimmagePage

See everyone in a week or so! ;)

Mike Betts 09-02-2006 12:06

Re: UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
177 will be there.

KathieK 09-02-2006 12:16

Re: UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
This event is now known as the Winter War Zone, and there will be a NEMO meeting at it - all mentors are invited to attend, please e-mail me and I will send further details.
looking forward to seeing everyone in Suffield!

Jessica Boucher 09-02-2006 12:18

Re: UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Team 0000 will be there! I'm really excited to see the first-run of this game. Stop by and say hi!

Jon K. 09-02-2006 12:26

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
RAGE Team 173 will be in attendance... hopefully... assuming we have a robot finished...

Rosiebotboss 09-02-2006 12:27

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
It's too soon......... :ahh: ....we're not ready...........but Rosie will be there. On time and under budget. As usual.

Elgin Clock 09-02-2006 12:29

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Hey Jess, I'll be there. You better say hi to me, since I haven't seen you in like.. forever.

I'll be there takin' vid for my team for analysis of match structure, and robot designs.

Yes, that's right; pre-ship scouting at it's finest.

Steve Howland 09-02-2006 12:49

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
571 is planning on attending...whether or not we will have a completed robot is another question altogether!

BoyWithCape195 09-02-2006 13:18

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
195 will be there....if we finish!

New rule definitions are no fun :rolleyes:

artdutra04 09-02-2006 13:34

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
I'm pretty sure 228 is going.

Well, at least the team will come. As for the robot, that is another story. ;)

Hopefully we'll have our robot there. :cool:

Tom Bottiglieri 09-02-2006 13:51

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
195's real robot will be there for the first time ever. :ahh:

KathieK 09-02-2006 15:21

Re: UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessica Boucher
Team 0000 will be there! I'm really excited to see the first-run of this game. Stop by and say hi!

yes, I am a member of Team 0000 and I will be there, too! how many other Team 0000's will be there?

Sam Lipscomb 12-02-2006 14:37

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
is there anyone on team 176 that has a full list of the teams attending and could please post it here? thanks. :D

KathieK 12-02-2006 15:17

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
These are the teams that I believe have registered to attend:
88
96
173
175
176
177
178
181
195
228
230
571
716
809
839
999
1027
1058
1071
1099
1124
1350
1373
1524
1740

Sam Lipscomb 12-02-2006 16:14

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
thaank you!

Elgin Clock 13-02-2006 12:37

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri
195's real robot will be there for the first time ever. :ahh:

Is that only because you got kicked out of your HS on Saturday for the Cogan Computer fair? :p ;)

Mr MOE 13-02-2006 15:04

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Will there be a webcast of this scrimmage?

MChapman 14-02-2006 20:09

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Yes team 230 will be webcasting our event. We've had a great turn out so far and we hope to see all of you there! 4 days left and who's done?? :p ACES High sends out all of our thanks to everyone who made this event possible and for all the teams in attendance. We are looking forward to a great day!

stevek 18-02-2006 01:03

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
http://www.shsrobotics.org/06/webcast/index.htm

Here is the weblink. We should have a link from the home page- shsrobotics.org

Please give us feedback as we are hosting the Webcast for the United Technologies New England Regional during week 2. If we can improve- we will!

Special Thanks to 176 for setting this up each year. for those not from the area- this is also a dryrun for FIRST as we are testing an actual FIRST field and the electronics and tonight we actually read the instuctions!!! Making sure the steps all made sence and there was nothing missing. Yes this is a Scrimmage for all aspects of the event and should benefit everyone in FIRST.

If you are there, make sure you send a thanks to 176 members and all the FIRST personel in attendance.

For those of you trying to finish your robots and in our case working hard to drop a few pounds- I hope you enjoy the webcast!

Heretic121 18-02-2006 02:03

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Team 38 will be there again this year!!!

*yes we are still working on the bot at the moment but it will be up and running =D

BoyWithCape195 18-02-2006 05:50

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
I have yet to go to sleep! A few of our team members stayed up all night in order to get it running for today! Yes, we had to do a few things that need to be changed before ship, but it DOES work! It just looks iffy...

Tom Bottiglieri 18-02-2006 06:11

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyWithCape195
I have yet to go to sleep! A few of our team members stayed up all night in order to get it running for today! Yes, we had to do a few things that need to be changed before ship, but it DOES work! It just looks iffy...

Ghetto Bot 2006

Jon K. 18-02-2006 21:20

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
I must say 195 really wasn't that ghetto a bot... They just all though it was.

Also, does anyone by any random chance(aka I am looking toward 230 a lot on this one) have any of the footage saved to anything that we might be able to get some bits and pieces? Especially the opening ceremonies.

artdutra04 18-02-2006 22:47

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon K.
Also, does anyone by any random chance(aka I am looking toward 230 a lot on this one) have any of the footage saved to anything that we might be able to get some bits and pieces? Especially the opening ceremonies.

I recorded a portion of the webcast (the drive team meeting), and I also filmed a few matches myself in the afternoon while I was there. (Yes, I have a lot of footage of RAGE :)) Depending on how much time I have tomorrow, I'll see how much of it I can get off my camera and online for everyone to view.

Hopefully I can get a bunch of the pictures I took up soon[er]. :p

Conor Ryan 19-02-2006 00:06

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Since Winter War Zone was probably the Largest 2006 competition to date, did you guys notice anything intresting about this year's game? Strategies that were most effective, generally what worked/didn't work, fun factor on a scale of 0-1 (yes it's binary, and its either Fun, or Not Fun), ect.

artdutra04 19-02-2006 01:38

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Conor Ryan
Since Winter War Zone was probably the Largest 2006 competition to date, did you guys notice anything intresting about this year's game? Strategies that were most effective, generally what worked/didn't work, fun factor on a scale of 0-1 (yes it's binary, and its either Fun, or Not Fun), ect.

Here are a few things I noticed that I noticed at the UTC Scrimmage: ;)

Tipping Over:
The one thing which struck me as surprising was the number of robots that tipped over. At least every match it seemed as if some robot had either tipped backwards while trying to score in the side goals or while trying to get on the ramp.

Getting on the ramp:
Getting on the ramp is not a very easy task. For a lot of teams, once they are on the ramp, they cannot get off or they will tip over. Many of the teams with six wheel drive and/or shooters high up had a very difficult time attempting to get onto the ramp.

Ball Hoppers and Storage:
Also, even though it was just a scrimmage, many of the teams could not store that many balls inside their robot. About half of the teams there could not store more than 10 or so balls in their robots.

Balls are everywhere:
To the teams who can only load from human players, good luck. After the second period of the game, about 2/3 of all the balls on the field were loose on the ground. Many of these came from failed scoring attempts and from human players missing the side goals. However, if your team has an effective ball gatherer from the floor, you will be able to amass large numbers of balls relatively easily.

N.E.R.D.s are everywhere!
Grady wasn't kidding when he said the N.E.R.D. population was about to skyrocket! There are more N.E.R.D.s now than you can can shake a stick at! :p

Mr MOE 19-02-2006 07:38

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
First off, thanks to Team 176 for putting this scrimmage on and to Team 230 for webcasting it. It was great for those teams who did not have a scrimmage in their area to see some great teams compete in this year's game.

I have a question about scoring. Was scoring truly "real-time?" Was the score displayed somewhere for alliance members to see easily? Was the scoring via the cameras and auto counters as is in the competition manual, or were "human counters" necessary?

Also, now that folks have seen this game played, what do you think?

Thanks.

KathieK 19-02-2006 07:59

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
From my un-technical perspective - it was hard for me to figure out who was winning, scoring-wise (but then, it usually takes me a while to figure out the game so my comments may not be valid). Spectators were confused. The periods are very short and I think it took teams a while to catch on - beware of being offsides. It seemed like a lot of balls were being shot overtop of the goals. A lot of tipping since the center of gravity is high on a lot of these robots, like was mentioned before, and without having an arm for leverage once the robots were overturned they couldn't right themselves. Not much accomplished in the autonomous mode, but that could change as robots are perfected in the coming days. Lots of stray balls going outside the playing field, including a whole bunch of them being shot at us in the bleachers at one point, mid-day (Stu from Buzz has it on video and it would be great to post on CD). Thankfully they were poofballs and no one was injured.

This was a great day, as always, allowing us the opportunity to see the game played out, to work on our robots with other teams' assistance, to get NEMs together to talk about our concerns, and to meet new friends and greet old ones! Thanks to 176, 230, Andy and all the folks from FIRST, etc. who put on another great scrimmage!

Rick TYler 19-02-2006 11:09

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by artdutra04
Here are a few things I noticed that I noticed at the UTC Scrimmage: ;)

Getting on the ramp:
Getting on the ramp is not a very easy task. For a lot of teams, once they are on the ramp, they cannot get off or they will tip over. Many of the teams with six wheel drive and/or shooters high up had a very difficult time attempting to get onto the ramp.

I am really surprised at this. The PNW (with a couple of notable exceptions) is not known as a FIRST powerhouse, but EVERY robot in Bellevue yesterday went up and down the ramp without a problem (OK, I lied, one of the rookies could do it, but it had to line up carefully). Top Gun and the TRC-clone chassis could generally go up forward or backwards, even at an angle. All were 6WD. I wonder what the difference is? The rest of your observations match mine.

Jeff Rodriguez 19-02-2006 11:32

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr MOE
I have a question about scoring. Was scoring truly "real-time?" Was the score displayed somewhere for alliance members to see easily? Was the scoring via the cameras and auto counters as is in the competition manual, or were "human counters" necessary?

Also, now that folks have seen this game played, what do you think?

OK, here goes.
There was not a real time display of the score. I don't know if it was because there isn't going to be one,or FIRST was focusing on getting the field working.
I'd say that they were making sure the field was fully working, which it was. To my knowledge there was only one interruption during game play. For some reason the field didn't choose who won autonomous mode, and it froze up. Other than that, the field seemed to do well.
We did start to rely on the HPs counting the number of balls they threw.

Autonomous.
Car Nack seemed to be right. That percentage will be even higher during elimination rounds, near 90%.

Defense.
Is very easy. Unless a robot plants itself down, which most don't, they will be defendable. You thought 2002 was a game for strong drive trains? You haven't seen nothin'.
Most teams mounted their shooters fairly low, which makes it easy to block shots.

Center goal.
If a robot can score 4 or 5 balls in the center goal while some one is playing defense on them, pick them. If that same team can score in either the center goal, or the corner goals with their load of balls, pick them.

Ramp.
While most teams have the ability to climb the ramp, if you play any sort of defense on them, they'll either tip over or not get on the ramp at all. And I don't mean tip over in a bad way, just that robots tip over easily when on the incline. Most robots that I saw tip weren't tipped on purpose. Overall the matches were played pretty clean. Rough, but clean.


Congratulations FIRST for making an awesome game. I'm looking forward to regional competition.

LPaton716 19-02-2006 12:55

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
From a scouting perspective this game seemed hard. While autonomous modes are easy enogh to record, figuring out teams strategies is more complicated because of the Offensive/Defensive periods. I noticed that in the final rounds it's challenging to see whether balls are shot from the robots or being thrown from human players on both sides.

On another note the accidental balls flying into the audience makes it pretty exciting. Oh and the periods pass quickly....good communicaion on alliances is essential in this game.

dez250 19-02-2006 13:24

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogre
OK, here goes.
There was not a real time display of the score. I don't know if it was because there isn't going to be one,or FIRST was focusing on getting the field working.
I'd say that they were making sure the field was fully working, which it was. To my knowledge there was only one interruption during game play. For some reason the field didn't choose who won autonomous mode, and it froze up. Other than that, the field seemed to do well.

The real time scoring was working, the score was displayed on the monitor at the scoring station, but due to a lack of a projector and a place to project it on, it wasn't displayed to the competition. We had some humans counting the balls going through out the event to double check with the computer system and it always seemed to match. The one time during elims that the field locked up was due to a sensor in the top goal freezing, thinking a ball was still in the goal waiting to count it in to determine the auton winner. This was easily fixed. A big Thank You goes out to all that attended the event and also especially to those who helped out there.

Good Luck!

Jessica Boucher 19-02-2006 15:27

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this....

Congratulations to the winning alliance: 173, 716 and the rookie team 1784 from Litchfield, CT! All three robots were extremely strong and will be definite contenders at their regionals.

It is also interesting to note that 126 seeded 4th with their 2005 robot. ;)

dobbs 19-02-2006 20:05

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessica Boucher
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this....

Congratulations to the winning alliance: 173, 716 and the rookie team 1784 from Litchfield, CT! All three robots were extremely strong and will be definite contenders at their regionals.

It is also interesting to note that 126 seeded 4th with their 2005 robot. ;)


Thanks ya'll. Team #1784 The Litchbots had a famous time. We just have to piece our robot back together for shipping. Thanks again Housatonic, Aces, Rage, you guys are the best!!!!!

http://www.aceshigh176.com/e107_plug...lbum=24&pos=42

KathieK 19-02-2006 20:10

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Seeing what our veterans come up with every year is always exciting, but seeing what the rookies do is even better! Congratulations to the Litchbots and we wish you and all the other rookies the best of luck this season!

Heretic121 19-02-2006 20:51

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
I have a question about the computers that were at the center stations... what was the purpose of them!?!?

i know they were running labview and "counting" but in one match it showed only 2 corner goals + 1 center goal scored but the allaince scored 30+ pts!?!? so were they there just for show or configuration!?! and will they be there at regionals???

stevek 19-02-2006 21:22

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Heretic121
I have a question about the computers that were at the center stations... what was the purpose of them!?!?

i know they were running labview and "counting" but in one match it showed only 2 corner goals + 1 center goal scored but the allaince scored 30+ pts!?!? so were they there just for show or configuration!?! and will they be there at regionals???

I helped setup on friday- so I know that those consoles (under the drive station) have all the communication, ball counters, robot disable controls, etc- all running throught them. The display will not normally be there but I think they left them there for easy access(during the scrimmage) I noticed the scoring questions too. I think they had human counters double checking the balls- as I saw them running arround with totals after the match- So the scoring was probably still being perfected. In the past- they've never been 100% ready at this point- as far as all the advanced/realtime scoring and control systems. So this year I think they were actually more prepaired than ever- at this point. unlike our build session- they still have a couple weeks!!

Ted Boucher 19-02-2006 22:18

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Who’s ready for videos!!?!?!?

ME!

ME!

Team 237 sent out Elgin Clock to record the event this past Saturday. Here is the first batch of videos, and there should be a second batch coming soon!

WARNING: Each video is about 20 MBs and the page will take awhile to load. So sit back, grab your favorite build season drink, read your rule book, and be patient for the videos to load.

Random Matches (Semis?):
http://www.zippyvideos.com/305698015...6/utcscrim1v1/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/243288116...6/utcscrim2v1/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/634260504...6/utcscrim3v1/

Finals:
http://www.zippyvideos.com/152156976...crimfinals1v1/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/241393201...crimfinals2v1/


**EDIT: Well I have been told some computers crashed due to the size, whoops.... ya i will post direct download links soon.**

dez250 19-02-2006 22:25

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
The HP computers that are placed under the center players station is what does the counting for the corner and center goals. It is running an NI LabVIEW application that "takes the data being sent from the goals and converts it into a number". The 15" HP monitors, keyboards and mice will not be there during the competition season. The larger silver cases, which were done by Hatch Technologies, are the electronics consoles and are what directly connects the field electronics together, ties the field to the scoring computer, and communicates between your OI's and the Arena controllers. There are a set of each of these on both ends of the field.

Ted Boucher 22-02-2006 21:08

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Boucher
WARNING: Each video is about 20 MBs and the page will take awhile to load. So sit back, grab your favorite build season drink, read your rule book, and be patient for the videos to load.

Random Matches (Semis?):
http://www.zippyvideos.com/305698015...6/utcscrim1v1/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/243288116...6/utcscrim2v1/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/634260504...6/utcscrim3v1/

Finals:
http://www.zippyvideos.com/152156976...crimfinals1v1/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/241393201...crimfinals2v1/

More videos!

Field/06 FIRST gear:
http://www.zippyvideos.com/482313575...crimspeedchkr/ Shooter Speed Checker
http://www.zippyvideos.com/612436854...scrimnewramps/ New Ramps
http://www.zippyvideos.com/109628349...riversstation/ Drivers Station Overlook
http://www.zippyvideos.com/933742940...kenfieldlight/ Broken Field Light
http://www.zippyvideos.com/253426460...scrimradiosv1/ Radio Tower
http://www.zippyvideos.com/905003346...cscrimvictory/ The End of the day

Matches:
http://www.zippyvideos.com/864884867...6/utcscrim4v1/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/9149129013897016/utcscrim5/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/7694458803897106/utcscrim6/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/1735729733897156/utcscrim7/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/1987418053897206/utcscrim8/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/9187484443897446/utcscrim9/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/9390238043897496/utcscrim10/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/9402291023913706/utcscrim11/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/7601922863913876/utcscrim12/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/4577345903913946/utcscrim13/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/5200337283914006/utcscrim14/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/6326766563914056/utcscrim15/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/8985802253914126/utcscrim16/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/9056601493916766/utcscrim17/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/2513860583916806/utcscrim18/
http://www.zippyvideos.com/8778293113916836/utcscrim19/

Sorry about the wait! I had some problems with zippyvideos, but it all got worked out. As for the direct download links, I am not sure i should post them . So if you a certain video, PM me and I will get it to you asap. Also, the video numbers don't correspond with the match numbers, unless I guessed very well :D .

Elgin Clock 22-02-2006 21:41

Re: Winter War Zone/UTC Scrimmage February 18
 
From UTC scrimmage also.. Backbot penalty video.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...4&postcount=31


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